Dan 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
Clearly Daniel is speaking of the tribulation. It is often referenced as the 'time of Jacob's trouble' in the OT prophets.
Then the resurrection of the dead, ie those whose bodies sleep in the dust that awake, is mentioned but some get everlasting life while others get shame and everlasting contempt.
We also have a reference to differing levels of glory from individual to individual in the resurrection. Some will be dim in glory while others will shine with glory or even great glory yet others are raised to everlasting shame and contempt.
So would they be those individuals 'dim' in glory or a reference to those cast into the lake of fire for eternity? If they are 'dim', do they reside in the 'outer darkness' with all the other 'dim' individuals, those invited to the wedding feast but lack their wedding garments? Do they lack the reward of robes of righteousness? Are they the poor, blind and naked individuals that fail to overcome the error of the church of Laodicia?
Rev 3:17 Because thou sayest, I am rich, and increased with goods, and have need of nothing; and knowest not that thou art wretched, and miserable, and poor, and blind, and naked:
18 I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see.
Faith by grace gets you into the kingdom but we must BUY gold, white raiment and eye salve. How many get into the kingdom but failed to BUY those things?
Are those raised to everlasting contempt the ones that have salvation but fail to overcome any error within their life, those that just got salvation as fire insurance?
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What a useless book the bible seems to be.
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Society and its morals evolve and will continue to evolve. The bible however remains the same and just requires more and more apologetics and claims of "metaphors" and "symbolism" to justify it.
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What is viewed as "useless" to one may be deemed very "useful" to others. As the world's best seller on can assume at least some people find the bible of some use. Personally, I find it not just useful but essential in my knowing God's purpose and requirements.
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What is viewed as "useless" to one may be deemed very "useful" to others. As the world's best seller on can assume at least some people find the bible of some use. Personally, I find it not just useful but essential in my knowing God's purpose and requirements.
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I believe the Bible is the best gift God has ever given to man. All the good from The Savior of the world is communicated to us through this Book. - Abraham Lincoln
A thorough knowledge of the Bible is worth more than a college education. - Theodore Roosevelt
The Bible is one of the greatest blessings bestowed by God on the children of men. It has God for its author; salvation for its end, and truth without any mixture for its matter. It is all pure. - John Locke
If you look at the Bible as a whole, it's redemptive and beautiful, and it's God's love story to mankind. -- Tom Shadyac
The book to read is not the one which thinks for you, but the one which makes you think. No book in the world equals the Bible for that. - Harper Lee
The Bible is worth all the other books which have ever been printed. - Patrick Henry
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Re: Resurrected to everlasting shame and contempt
Post #24[Replying to post 1 by Yahu]
Hello all, {brand new to the forum}....It is my understanding that Dan 12:2 is explained using Ps 82. All of the seed of Jacob who have died for the last 6000 years will be resurrected the moment their KING (our King) is presented by Father to Zion. Some have on a wedding garment some do not. The ones without a wedding garment on will then be official cut off of the Tree that is being harvested. At that moment the wild grafted on branches are officially grafted onto the tree that Jesus (the Root of David) is the Root of. Also note what Jesus told Caiaphas and the Council in Matt 26. Jesus was not talking about the end of the Millennium when the Great White Judgment takes place. In regards to the living in the wedding hall who are unmarked but whose lamps are not lit, they will be led through the Mt of Olives split over to Bethany. Then Jesus will BURN the bundled TARES inside of Jerusalem. Thanks all for your consideration of my understanding.
Hello all, {brand new to the forum}....It is my understanding that Dan 12:2 is explained using Ps 82. All of the seed of Jacob who have died for the last 6000 years will be resurrected the moment their KING (our King) is presented by Father to Zion. Some have on a wedding garment some do not. The ones without a wedding garment on will then be official cut off of the Tree that is being harvested. At that moment the wild grafted on branches are officially grafted onto the tree that Jesus (the Root of David) is the Root of. Also note what Jesus told Caiaphas and the Council in Matt 26. Jesus was not talking about the end of the Millennium when the Great White Judgment takes place. In regards to the living in the wedding hall who are unmarked but whose lamps are not lit, they will be led through the Mt of Olives split over to Bethany. Then Jesus will BURN the bundled TARES inside of Jerusalem. Thanks all for your consideration of my understanding.
