French interigation
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French interigation
Post #1We often here how the government of these United States engages in torture and we should follow the example of European nations. Well, this weekend the French captured the primary suspect in the night club bombings, who shall remain nameless. From what the retired military and intelligence people say, the French will interrogate this individual much more aggressively than we do and they will not grant him a lawyer or the right to remain silent. So, is this torture and if so, what of the argument that our tactics are more reprehensible than those of the Europeans.
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Re: French interigation
Post #2[Replying to post 1 by bluethread]
Do you have any links. To be honest the press can report what they want I tend to see it all as propaganda these days, and anything to do with terrorism I am doubly suspicious of the official narrative.
I thought France has a right to remain silent - but maybe they changed the law or have snuck some such clause into it anti terror laws. If so it is reprehensible. France is signed up to the European Court of humans rights and torture is prohibited as it is everywhere under international law.
Countries like Britain and France have a nasty history of colonialism and all the darker arts that go with suppressing populations. So I would not raise them above America. The difference is America has the bigger budgets and better funded secret services, much larger military, and it is the current hegemony. But really it is France and Britain on a bigger scale. For instance, it is clear now that MI6 agents sat in on torture of British subjects who passed through Guantanamo bay. Britain also has a shoddy record of dealing with the IRA and bombing suspects, whilst supporting Loyalist para militaries. Check out John Pilger's work into exposing how the CIA and MI6 supported the Suharto coup in Indonesia, provided death lists of those to be executed, and how the Western media lionised Suharto as the strong man of Asia as his regime embarked on genocide in East Timor. It is the same template repeated over and over by the neo-colonial powers of which the major offenders are America, Britain and France. So I would decline to draw a moral distinction other than to say America does it bigger.
Do you have any links. To be honest the press can report what they want I tend to see it all as propaganda these days, and anything to do with terrorism I am doubly suspicious of the official narrative.
I thought France has a right to remain silent - but maybe they changed the law or have snuck some such clause into it anti terror laws. If so it is reprehensible. France is signed up to the European Court of humans rights and torture is prohibited as it is everywhere under international law.
Countries like Britain and France have a nasty history of colonialism and all the darker arts that go with suppressing populations. So I would not raise them above America. The difference is America has the bigger budgets and better funded secret services, much larger military, and it is the current hegemony. But really it is France and Britain on a bigger scale. For instance, it is clear now that MI6 agents sat in on torture of British subjects who passed through Guantanamo bay. Britain also has a shoddy record of dealing with the IRA and bombing suspects, whilst supporting Loyalist para militaries. Check out John Pilger's work into exposing how the CIA and MI6 supported the Suharto coup in Indonesia, provided death lists of those to be executed, and how the Western media lionised Suharto as the strong man of Asia as his regime embarked on genocide in East Timor. It is the same template repeated over and over by the neo-colonial powers of which the major offenders are America, Britain and France. So I would decline to draw a moral distinction other than to say America does it bigger.
