The nature of evidence

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The nature of evidence

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I am not going to really comment on the Sandra Bland investigation or the actual stop. What I would like to draw attention to is 32:37 of this video. Also another point at 25:05

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You will see a white car appear on the left side of the screen and then suddenly disappear whilst reappearing moments later and then loop again a minute later. Clearly this video has been tampered with digital recording devices simply do not record this way. The only reason this would occur is if someone edited the recording. The other portion you will see the tow truck driver walk towards the officer off screen disappear and then reappear in a brief loop.

This is important for several reasons.

1. Why edit the video at all? If nothing illegal occurred why tamper with the evidence?
2. It makes other videos from this PD dubious if they are willing to tamper with this video what about other videos?
3. It jeopardizes the public trust.
4. This is illegal
§ 37.09. TAMPERING WITH OR FABRICATING PHYSICAL EVIDENCE.
(a) A person commits an offense if, knowing that an investigation or official proceeding is pending or in progress, he:
(1) alters, destroys, or conceals any record, document, or thing with intent to impair its verity, legibility, or availability as evidence in the investigation or official proceeding; or
(2) makes, presents, or uses any record, document, or thing with knowledge of its falsity and with intent to affect the course or outcome of the investigation or official proceeding.
The video was altered and was presented with knowledge of its falsity.



Questions for debate :

Does this effect how you treat the veracity of evidence?

Does this call into question the idea of police policing themselves?
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Where was this video presented and do we know who edited it ?

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[Replying to post 2 by higgy1911]

Texas Department of Public Safety in Austin released the video it was 52 minutes long. We don't know who edited the video that is being investigated.

Apparently the Austin TDPS deleted the video and have re released a 49 minute video. I will look to see if I can find a cached version.


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Re: The nature of evidence

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[Replying to post 1 by DanieltheDragon]

Unless you have a clear chain of custody, that video is no evidence of anything at all. Since we have no idea of that video's provenance, it's totally useless as evidence!

Who modified it? Was it modified after it's release? Before? Who knows!

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[Replying to post 4 by SailingCyclops]

The editing occurred before it was uploaded since you cannot make these types of edits after it is uploaded. A video recording is made as a single layer to create independent layers that appear in the video requires that you generate multiple layers to sandwich on top of each other. In one portion it briefly stutters and you can see almost a brief rgb square outline in a portion of the screen. Then once you make your edits you export and compress the file again into a single layer.

The original video came directly from TDPS of Austin. So either that department or the PD made the edits. As I pointed out earlier there was a mention that this is being investigated. So exactly who done it at this point we don't know and likely will never know.

The video is evidence that it had been tampered with while in the hands of the TDPS or the PD. They have since deleted the video and it is no longer available for viewing directly from the TDPS.
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SailingCyclops wrote: [Replying to post 1 by DanieltheDragon]

Unless you have a clear chain of custody, that video is no evidence of anything at all. Since we have no idea of that video's provenance, it's totally useless as evidence!

Who modified it? Was it modified after it's release? Before? Who knows!
That's true, but it's enough for the "court of public opinion" i.e. the mainstream media, who would lie about anything, so best not to take anything they say at face value, always investigate yourself and use sources outside of the mainstream media (CNN, NBC, FOX, BBC, etc)

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[Replying to joejoeson]

Well the media didn't really pick up on this , there were a few articles about it but that was it. This level of manipulation should not be allowed on video evidence. It ruins he public trust
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DanieltheDragon wrote: [Replying to joejoeson]

Well the media didn't really pick up on this , there were a few articles about it but that was it. This level of manipulation should not be allowed on video evidence. It ruins he public trust
If you mean the media didn't pick up on the video manipulation, why would they? It would ruin their propaganda. The sad thing though is people still trust the media.

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[Replying to post 8 by joejoeson]

Well what does that have to do with the police manipulating evidence before uploading it?
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[Replying to post 9 by DanieltheDragon]

The video definitely seems edited but I'm not sure why it was done, but it's not really that surprising that these things happen.

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