IS MARY REALLY IN HEven ??

[dan p]

Hi , and Catholics say that Mary has been elevated to heaven !!

If that is true , how can you explain Gal 3:28 it is written , " There is Neither Jew nor Greek , there is Neither bond nor free , , There is Neither MALE nor FEMALE , for ye are all One " IN CHRIST " .

In heaven there is NEITHER Male nor Female nor either any ethic group !!

So , what is Mary's name ??

dan p

[jedicri]

heaven.

Hi , and Catholics say that Mary has been elevated to heaven !!

If that is true , how can you explain Gal 3:28 it is written , " There is Neither Jew nor Greek , there is Neither bond nor free , , There is Neither MALE nor FEMALE , for ye are all One " IN CHRIST " .

In heaven there is NEITHER Male nor Female nor either any ethic group !!

So , what is Mary's name ??

dan p

This has nothing to do with Mary's assumption into heaven.

Please read that verse in the context it was written in, ie. Gal 3: 1-29. St Paul speaks of baptism that makes us all of one faith that is rooted in Christ and Jesus makes no distinction whether they be Jew or Greek, slave or free, male or female. That is why the Catholic faith is described as "catholic" (from the Greek katholikos meaning universal) --- it accepts all individuals from, and evangelizes to, all parts of the world as mandated by Christ Himself (Mt 28:18-20).

[The Tongue]

Hi , and Catholics say that Mary has been elevated to heaven !!

If that is true , how can you explain Gal 3:28 it is written , " There is Neither Jew nor Greek , there is Neither bond nor free , , There is Neither MALE nor FEMALE , for ye are all One " IN CHRIST " .

In heaven there is NEITHER Male nor Female nor either any ethic group !!

So , what is Mary's name ??

dan p

Although jedicri made some attempt to explain what Paul was getting at in Gal 3:28; he/she made no attempt to answer your Question, "Is Mary Really In Heaven," and the answer is no. Mary is at rest in the bosom of Abraham as are all the righteous who have died since the true Christ who gave his body for we of the sinful body of mankind, in which He, "The Son of Man" develops.

[jedicri]

Hi , and Catholics say that Mary has been elevated to heaven !!

If that is true , how can you explain Gal 3:28 it is written , " There is Neither Jew nor Greek , there is Neither bond nor free , , There is Neither MALE nor FEMALE , for ye are all One " IN CHRIST " .

In heaven there is NEITHER Male nor Female nor either any ethic group !!

So , what is Mary's name ??

dan p

Although jedicri made some attempt to explain what Paul was getting at in Gal 3:28; he/she made no attempt to answer your Question, "Is Mary Really In Heaven," and the answer is no. Mary is at rest in the bosom of Abraham as are all the righteous who have died since the true Christ who gave his body for we of the sinful body of mankind, in which He, "The Son of Man" develops.

Uh, no, Mary is in Heaven.

Tongue, you go against 2000 years of belief and tradition of what the early Christians, now known as Catholics, have believed since the time of the Apostles. This was passed down from the Apostles to their successors, many of whom wrote on it, these people known as the early Fathers of the Church.

“If the Holy Virgin had died and was buried, her falling asleep would have been surrounded with honour, death would have found her pure, and her crown would have been a virginal one...Had she been martyred according to what is written: 'Thine own soul a sword shall pierce', then she would shine gloriously among the martyrs, and her holy body would have been declared blessed; for by her, did light come to the world."
Epiphanius, Panarion, 78:23 (A.D. 377).

"[T]he Apostles took up her body on a bier and placed it in a tomb; and they guarded it, expecting the Lord to come. And behold, again the Lord stood by them; and the holy body having been received, He commanded that it be taken in a cloud into paradise: where now, rejoined to the soul, [Mary] rejoices with the Lord's chosen ones..." Gregory of Tours, Eight Books of Miracles, 1:4 (inter A.D. 575-593).

"As the most glorious Mother of Christ, our Savior and God and the giver of life and immortality, has been endowed with life by him, she has received an eternal incorruptibility of the body together with him who has raised her up from the tomb and has taken her up to himself in a way known only to him." Modestus of Jerusalem, Encomium in dormitionnem Sanctissimae Dominae nostrae Deiparae semperque Virginis Mariae (PG 86-II,3306),(ante A.D. 634).

"It was fitting ...that the most holy-body of Mary, God-bearing body, receptacle of God, divinised, incorruptible, illuminated by divine grace and full glory ...should be entrusted to the earth for a little while and raised up to heaven in glory, with her soul pleasing to God." Theoteknos of Livias, Homily on the Assumption (ante A.D. 650).

"You are she who, as it is written, appears in beauty, and your virginal body is all holy, all chaste, entirely the dwelling place of God, so that it is henceforth completely exempt from dissolution into dust. Though still human, it is changed into the heavenly life of incorruptibility, truly living and glorious, undamaged and sharing in perfect life." Germanus of Constantinople, Sermon I (PG 98,346), (ante A.D. 733).

"St. Juvenal, Bishop of Jerusalem, at the Council of Chalcedon (451), made known to the Emperor Marcian and Pulcheria, who wished to possess the body of the Mother of God, that Mary died in the presence of all the Apostles, but that her tomb, when opened upon the request of St. Thomas, was found empty; wherefrom the Apostles concluded that the body was taken up to heaven." John of Damascene, PG (96:1) (A.D. 747-751).

"It was fitting that the she, who had kept her virginity intact in childbirth, should keep her own body free from all corruption even after death. It was fitting that she, who had carried the Creator as a child at her breast, should dwell in the divine tabernacles. It was fitting that the spouse, whom the Father had taken to himself, should live in the divine mansions. It was fitting that she, who had seen her Son upon the cross and who had thereby received into her heart the sword of sorrow which she had escaped when giving birth to him, should look upon him as he sits with the Father, It was fitting that God's Mother should possess what belongs to her Son, and that she should be honored by every creature as the Mother and as the handmaid of God." John of Damascene, Dormition of Mary (PG 96,741), (ante A.D. 749).

"Venerable to us, O Lord, is the festivity of this day on which the holy Mother of God suffered temporal death, but still could not be kept down by the bonds of death, who has begotten Thy Son our Lord incarnate from herself." Gregorian Sacramentary, Veneranda (ante A.D. 795).

"[A]n effable mystery all the more worthy of praise as the Virgin's Assumption is something unique among men." Gallican Sacramentary, from Munificentis simus Deus (8th Century).

"God, the King of the universe, has granted you favors that surpass nature. As he kept you virgin in childbirth, thus he kept your body incorrupt in the tomb and has glorified it by his divine act of transferring it from the tomb." Byzantine Liturgy, from Munificentis simus Deus (8th Century).

"[T]he virgin is up to now immortal, as He who lived, translated her into the place of reception." Timotheus of Jerusalem (8th Century).

[The Tongue]

[The Tongue]

[chestertonrules]

[Replying to post 1 by dan p]

Jesus said that if we live and believe in him we will never die.

Rev. 12 describes Mary in heaven.

Where do you think she is?

[Nickman]

[Replying to post 1 by dan p]

Jesus said that if we live and believe in him we will never die.

Rev. 12 describes Mary in heaven.

Where do you think she is?

If Mary was a real person and not just a character in a book, she is in the ground. Her flesh has long been destroyed by bacteria and parasites. Her bones are possibly still intact.

[chestertonrules]

[Replying to post 8 by Nickman]

If they were, wouldn't we know where they are?

We know where the bodies of Peter and Paul are because the early Christians treated the bodies of saints with reverence and veneration. I don't think that it is likely that the body of the Mother of Jesus would have been ignored.

[Nickman]

[Replying to post 8 by Nickman]

If they were, wouldn't we know where they are?

No. Nature is very good at destroying evidence. Especially after 2000 years. There would be nothing left if she wasn't properly embalmed.

We know where the bodies of Peter and Paul are because the early Christians treated the bodies of saints with reverence and veneration. I don't think that it is likely that the body of the Mother of Jesus would have been ignored.

We do? Where are the bodies of Peter and Paul?