Obamacare...health care for everybody, really?

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Obamacare is just fine; let's fund it and let it run already
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9%
Obamacare is a step in the right direction; fund it and fix it later
6
55%
Obamacare is a disaster; fund it and watch it implode
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No votes
Obamacare is a disaster: defund it and fight it with everything possible
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9%
Obamacare has a couple of good ideas. Scrap the program, take those ideas and start over
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27%
 
Total votes: 11

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Obamacare...health care for everybody, really?

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Some of you know that I have a problem; I haven't been all that shy. Frankly, it makes me mad as all get out.

Oh, not because I HAVE this condition, though frankly, I feel like I would have had better chances of winning the lottery.

I have Multiple Myeloma, stage II, 'high risk.'
It's an odd duck; cancer of the bone marrow. What makes it 'high risk,' is a chromosomal abnormality that doesn't mean good news for survival.

Now I'm actually blessed with great insurance, paid by my husband's retirement; Kaiser Permanente. Because of that, I had a doctor who saw that I was slightly anemic and sent me for some 'further tests.' Those 'further tests' ended up being a LOT of tests (including a bone marrow biopsy, which I recommend to the Spanish Inquisition, or the CIA...perhaps especially the CIA, since nobody could object to the government 'taking care of the prisoner's health') The verdict was, yup, I got this thing; 75% of my bone marrow was cancerous plasma cells.

The REALLY odd thing is that most people who have this don't find out until they have broken bones, kidney failure, dementia, liver failure....it's a nasty disease. Me? My bones are fine and so are my kidneys and liver.

No cracks about my mental capacity, please. ;)

I'm in GREAT health...except for the dying of cancer part.

This Friday I'm going in for a bone marrow transplant. I'll be in the City of Hope for two to three weeks, while they destroy my immune system and then 'reset' it, in hopes that this will put me into a good, long term remission. There's a really good chance that it will work, despite the 'high risk' thing, because they caught it before it did any damage to my bones and organs. It has been borne upon me that this is EXTREMELY rare, that someone with as an aggressive form of this condition as mine is gets caught this early. OK, I'll take that.

After all, this disease mostly affects African American men over 65. I am about as lily white a redheaded blue eyed female as you can find. Why in the world would they even LOOK for something like this?

Now, why this longwinded introduction, she asks?
I'll tell you.

In the normal course of events (pre-Obamacare) I would get the transplant, have the rest of the stem cells (that were collected from me last week) frozen and kept in reserve for another one...which I'm almost guaranteed to need, and if that doesn't work, I'd do a third, using donor cells from one of my sisters. I hope. Neither my age nor my life condition would affect this, because, well, I have Kaiser and I would transfer that to a 'Senior Advantage' Kaiser membership next August. All done. Good thing, because I'm going to be taking extremely expensive medication (as in, $2000 per pill) for the rest of my life.

If I had NOT had good insurance, the City of Hope and the pharmaceutical companies that make the novel drugs for this have all sorts of programs: once you have Multiple Myeloma, you get the care. All you have to do is get to a facility that specializes in it.


I have been told, however, and I have since confirmed this, that if Obamacare gets through as written, this will no longer be true. For one thing, there will be no possibility of a donor transplant, (which is the only hope for an outright cure) the most effective medication won't be available , and it's highly possible that I won't be offered even the second transplant using my OWN stem cells. My prognosis, thanks to Obamacare, will go from a possible ten to fifteen years down to two or three....because the decisions for my health care won't be mine or my doctor's. They will be made by committees according to guidelines, which will include the idea that no matter what, people over 70 won't get that sort of treatment.

It doesn't matter what my doctor says, or what my insurance company now pays for; the government will regulate this.

I'm OK now. Things are getting paid for.

But what about next year, when Obamacare takes me over?

Now me, I'm an example, and of course this is hitting home hard for me....but I'm hardly unique. I have been talking to a great many MM patients from all over the world, and the ones from 'universal health care' nations, like Canada, Australia and Great Britain do not do well. They are sicker and die sooner, and many of them don't even know that there are novel agents that can treat them; because THEIR healthcare won't provide them.

Those of you who know me know that I don't LIKE Obamacare. Now you know why.

So.....here's the topic for debate (and I'll participate for the next three days...). If you wanted to fix health care in this nation, how would YOU do it? Obviously Obamacare isn't going to work.

Remember: the object is to make certain that:
1. Those who need health care GET it...the best available, not just the least expensive.
2. The decisions regarding health care should be made by the patient and the doctor, not by some faceless bureaucrat looking at cost/benefit charts.
3. Nobody has to go bankrupt because of health care expenses.
4. Healthcare is delivered efficiently, with no long waiting times.
5. Health professionals get paid enough to justify the student loans, and have autonomy.
6. So do patients, in their ability to choose who provides them health care.


Obamacare does NONE of the above, btw.

Go.

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Wow, that's a lot to share on a forum. I wish you the very best!

I guess my feeling is that Obamacare exists because for many decades nobody could come up with any other solution.

The Repubs controlled both houses of Congress and the Presidency at one point, and they didn't tackle the challenge.

Somebody had to do something. We had a zillion hours of debate and two elections, and this is what we did.

I'm sure it's not perfect, but I'm also sure it's time to get on with it and give it an honest try.

For myself, I'm really weary of the Repubs whining, whining, whining on this issue without putting up a credible alternative. It seems part of their death wish syndrome.

Please be well!

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I'm heart broken.

I hate today.
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Philbert wrote: Wow, that's a lot to share on a forum. I wish you the very best!
It's not something to be ashamed of, Philbert. It's just a thing.

...............and thank you.
Philbert wrote:I guess my feeling is that Obamacare exists because for many decades nobody could come up with any other solution.
Well, Hillary tried, and hers got clobbered. Thank heaven. But here's the thing: Since when is doing the WRONG thing better than doing nothing?
Philbert wrote:The Repubs controlled both houses of Congress and the Presidency at one point, and they didn't tackle the challenge.
They were too busy cleaning up after the Democrats.


Philbert wrote:Somebody had to do something. We had a zillion hours of debate and two elections, and this is what we did.
Debates with whom? One thing both sides actually agree on is this: Obama and cronies bulled this through with no debate. Remember the famous Pelosi quote, about "let's pass this thing so we can find out what's in it?" The Republicans were not allowed into the process at all. Zip. Nada. Not allowed into the meetings, not allowed into the debates, not allowed input.

The difference is that the Democrats think that this was a good thing.
Philbert wrote:I'm sure it's not perfect, but I'm also sure it's time to get on with it and give it an honest try.
Not when it means my life, it's not.

And it does.

..........................and buddy, it's not that I'm in any way unique.
Philbert wrote:For myself, I'm really weary of the Repubs whining, whining, whining on this issue without putting up a credible alternative. It seems part of their death wish syndrome.
I have a death wish? Quite the opposite, seems to me. ;)

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JoeyKnothead wrote: I'm heart broken.

I hate today.
Ah, Joey,

Look at all the GOOD news in that post!

Read the part about how lucky I am that I was caught that early, and how they are hitting it hard so that I can go a lot longer before it starts affecting things I don't want affected?

I'm actually very, very lucky (and yes, blessed, I think) that this is so. With me, the docs have a chance to see what they can do with someone who caught this before this highly aggressive form of cancer did any damage. I'm special.

This very seldom happens, I'm told. I'm about to raise the survival rates. ;)

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I hesitate to get into this because of the personal nature of the OP. I also do not want to discount anyone's personal experience. Nor do I want to be seen as trying to trump one personal experience with another.

However, all that notwithstanding, I will share the personal experience of a person I have known well for many years. It does inform my support for Obamacare (I picked option two above).

This person once had a job at a nationally known company. That job went away during a company down-sizing and this meant the person lost their insurance. They ended up doing some temping/free-lancing to make ends meet, but ended up having to decide between the basics of life and a medication that they had been taking for a number of years. The medication was quite an expensive one. The medication took a back seat, and, to make a long story short, the person almost died. A relative then stepped in to subsidize the purchase of the medication for a number of years, until the person acquired better employment and could pay for it on their own.


Some other facts I think are relevant are:
1) We spend 50% to more than 100% more than other industrialized countries on health care, and on average, we get results that are no better, and are often worse.
2) Our system leaves millions of people unserved, and they are dieing in greater numbers because of it.
3) Our system has been a huge drain on our economy for decades.
4) Our system to date serves to limit job mobility. People stay with the job they have out of fear of losing their insurance.
5) Our system has created a lot of tragic situations, not unlike the one described in the OP, for years. My example cited above is just one.

These facts and the experience described have led me to believe the ACA was better than the status quo.

I fully accept it is not perfect and is likely to have negative impacts on some people. However, I also believe the average impact will be beneficial. I am certainly fine amending some provisions to address legitimate issues, like the one mentioned in the OP.


I also wish the best for dianaiad in her upcoming trials. And yes, I will pray for you.
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dianaiad wrote: I have been told, however, and I have since confirmed this, that if Obamacare gets through as written, this will no longer be true. For one thing, there will be no possibility of a donor transplant, (which is the only hope for an outright cure) the most effective medication won't be available , and it's highly possible that I won't be offered even the second transplant using my OWN stem cells. My prognosis, thanks to Obamacare, will go from a possible ten to fifteen years down to two or three....because the decisions for my health care won't be mine or my doctor's. They will be made by committees according to guidelines, which will include the idea that no matter what, people over 70 won't get that sort of treatment.

It doesn't matter what my doctor says, or what my insurance company now pays for; the government will regulate this.
Then someone lied to you. And you lied to us when you said you don't watch conservative news outlets.
Sorry, I don't believe you. Even if your story is true, the very fact you put it up front in order to justify your message does not change facts.

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micatala wrote: I hesitate to get into this because of the personal nature of the OP. I also do not want to discount anyone's personal experience. Nor do I want to be seen as trying to trump one personal experience with another.

However, all that notwithstanding, I will share the personal experience of a person I have known well for many years. It does inform my support for Obamacare (I picked option two above).

This person once had a job at a nationally known company. That job went away during a company down-sizing and this meant the person lost their insurance. They ended up doing some temping/free-lancing to make ends meet, but ended up having to decide between the basics of life and a medication that they had been taking for a number of years. The medication was quite an expensive one. The medication took a back seat, and, to make a long story short, the person almost died. A relative then stepped in to subsidize the purchase of the medication for a number of years, until the person acquired better employment and could pay for it on their own.


Some other facts I think are relevant are:
1) We spend 50% to more than 100% more than other industrialized countries on health care, and on average, we get results that are no better, and are often worse.
2) Our system leaves millions of people unserved, and they are dieing in greater numbers because of it.
3) Our system has been a huge drain on our economy for decades.
4) Our system to date serves to limit job mobility. People stay with the job they have out of fear of losing their insurance.
5) Our system has created a lot of tragic situations, not unlike the one described in the OP, for years. My example cited above is just one.

These facts and the experience described have led me to believe the ACA was better than the status quo.

I fully accept it is not perfect and is likely to have negative impacts on some people. However, I also believe the average impact will be beneficial. I am certainly fine amending some provisions to address legitimate issues, like the one mentioned in the OP.


I also wish the best for dianaiad in her upcoming trials. And yes, I will pray for you.

I will also mention a person case. My sister takes a very expensive medication that keeps a condition that causes her joints to deteriorate under control. Before the ACA kicked in, her insurance company decieded to put a cap on how much she coudl get.. about 3 months worth. Not taking this med will basically condemn her to at least some extra knee/hip replacements, if not going into a wheelchair.

Because of ACA, she can keep on using that medication.

Oh, and the fact there is a cap on out of pocket expenses is making the medication a lot cheaper for her in the long run too.
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dianaiad wrote:
JoeyKnothead wrote: I'm heart broken.

I hate today.
Ah, Joey,

Look at all the GOOD news in that post!

Read the part about how lucky I am that I was caught that early, and how they are hitting it hard so that I can go a lot longer before it starts affecting things I don't want affected?

I'm actually very, very lucky (and yes, blessed, I think) that this is so. With me, the docs have a chance to see what they can do with someone who caught this before this highly aggressive form of cancer did any damage. I'm special.

This very seldom happens, I'm told. I'm about to raise the survival rates. ;)
I admire your strength and courage, but still hate that such a condition should be yours to suffer.

I've lived nigh on my whole life drinking and drugging and smoking and taking unnecessary risks, and here I gotta find out someone I respect and admire faces such a trial.

I hate today, tomorrow and every day beyond that has you suffering this condition. I don't mean to sound like an Oprah show, but it pains me to know about all this, but I'm better for your sharing it.

Trying to tie this to the OP, I don't care if it's the ACA, or some other form, I propose the greatest nation on the planet should strive to give the best care possible to every citizen that needs it. I present you alone as evidence enough, if only to me, that I'm right about it.
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dianaiad wrote:This Friday I'm going in for a bone marrow transplant. I'll be in the City of Hope for two to three weeks, while they destroy my immune system and then 'reset' it, in hopes that this will put me into a good, long term remission.
I'll keep you in my prayers. The City of Hope is an excellent treatment facility, I've had two family members check in there and they have a great staff of nurses and doctors.
micatala wrote:Some other facts I think are relevant are:
1) We spend 50% to more than 100% more than other industrialized countries on health care, and on average, we get results that are no better, and are often worse.
I'm tired of this myth. We do spend more on healthcare than other countries do and we get better results because of it, especially when compared to the healthcare systems of other major, industrialized countries like Britain, Canada, China and Russia.
micatala wrote:2) Our system leaves millions of people unserved, and they are dieing in greater numbers because of it.
Another myth. Our healthcare system is socialized in the sense that a person who cannot afford treatment will still receive treatment. Other people will obviously have to pay their expenses, but I am fine with this basic social safety net that takes care of people in real need. What I am not in favor of is the idea that everybody should be forced to purchase insurance regardless of whether they need it or not.
micatala wrote:4) Our system to date serves to limit job mobility. People stay with the job they have out of fear of losing their insurance.
You have it completely backwards. Employers offer healthcare and a variety of other benefits in order to attract workers to come and work at their business. Obviously you wouldn't leave your job if your employer is giving you things like healthcare. Why is that a bad thing? Would you rather employers not offer healthcare to their employees?

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