Ethical Beastiality?

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marketandchurch
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Ethical Beastiality?

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I have phrased the Secular barometer of morality in the following way:
  • 1.) Is there consent between participants,
    2.) Is it healthy(A huge secular value), and
    3.) does it, or can it, cause physical harm to the participants involved.
If I am wrong, please reframe it correctly, not for you the individual, but for the collective secular whole. Given that definition, now consider the possible scenario with the above secular premise:
  • What if you could scientifically minimize every possible risk with having sex with an animal, prove that it was enjoying it too, and that there were no harm to either groups, would beastiality be moral then? And if not, why exactly? What is your secular reasoning? It's unnatural? WHo cares? What in nature hasn't broken a few rules... What if the animal's brain waves registers pleasure mid-act and develops a liking to the process?

    There are many ways to make it safe, both parties consent to it, and neither are hurt psychologically or physically. We'll use the example of a Dog since it likes to mount every possible object it can, but any domesticated animal can also work.
Would beastiality then be okay? I am asking this because in a world with the bible in retreat, what is the secular reasoning, for or against it, over the morality of the act? And by what barometer of morality would you promote or condemn the behavior with? I'm also tired of one-line brush-offs and lazy answers that don't fully answer the question. So this question has political ramifications. What is our case against it? What is our case against a person marrying an animal, or making love to an animal? From both Theists and Atheists alike.

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kayky wrote:
bluethread wrote:

Since humans are omnivores, we can live on vegetation. Therefore, this need is just a matter of a want.
It's a matter of eating the diet that we were designed to consume.
This whole "informed consent" thing is just a cop out. You apply it to sex, but reject it when it comes to depriving an animal of it's life or liberty, in any other way. Is it acceptable to breed animals? This is sex without consent, or "rape" as you choose call it.
I'm copping out of this debate because it's starting to nauseate me. Your arguments are utter nonsense, and I'm starting to wonder what you like to do in your spare time.
I understand, most people prefer to believe that hamburger just appears in cellophane in the grocery store. However, if one wishes to make a ruling on whether something is Kosher or not, one can not just start making judgments based on how one feels.

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As long as none of the participants involved are in any way hurt, then I really don't have any objection to it.

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bluethread wrote:Since humans are omnivores, we can live on vegetation. Therefore, this need is just a matter of a want.
Since Humans are omnivores, we can live on meat. Therefore, this need [to consume plants] is just a matter of want.

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Tiberius47 wrote:
bluethread wrote:Since humans are omnivores, we can live on vegetation. Therefore, this need is just a matter of a want.
Since Humans are omnivores, we can live on meat. Therefore, this need [to consume plants] is just a matter of want.

Quite true.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inuit_diet

Many people in the Bodybuilding community use this diet to lose fat, because the body enters ketosis.

The Eskimos on the other hand, resort to this diet out of necessity.

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