Half of US Muslims: Criticism of Islam Should be a Crime

[East of Eden]

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/29 ... sts?page=7

Not only do half of US Muslims think criticism of their religion should be a crime, 40% want to be ruled by Sharia Law, not our Constitution.

One in five could not agree those who criticized Islam should be spared the death penalty.

Does anyone think this is not a problem?

[micatala]

The Muslim definition of persecution is anything or anyone who opposes Islam. This includes statements of criticism whether they be true or not. Such criticism may be spoken by a Muslim, but not by a dhimmi(1).

@ Richard,

May i ask you a single stupid question? Are you a former MORMON? And, if yes, did you know, that the LDS leaders did exactly the same thing, even some Christian churches (including the RCC and some Lutheran denominations in differend areas and ages?
What would I say with this? People who live in glass houses should not throw stones.
slam is, like Christianity, a monotheistic religion. Glorify violence and misogynist. These are homophobic, and often racist and anti-Semitic. So, Islam is no better or worse than fundamentalist Christians in the U.S. and elsewhere.

Of course the (political) Islam is so philanthropic like a constant diarrhea;

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[dusk]

Nonsense, almost all terror attacks today are from Muslims, often against their co-religionists. How many are done by Christians? You mentioned anti-Semitism earlier, Muslims have pretty much a monopoly on that that, Jew-hate is part and parcel of Islam. By contrast, Israel has no greater friends than evangelical Christians.

Yes but one shouldn't forget that it is a place with a big chunk of youth who are unhappy with their general situation.
Christians also had their terrorism. Look at Ireland. Latin America.
Today ist rather quite.
Islam got vocal with 9/11 and now those wars. In some African states they repeatedly kill each other and terrorize other minorities but we barely take note.
Nobody ever in all of history liked the Jews. They hated them in Russia, in Germany, in France, in everywhere. Now they got a country formerly occupied by fellow Muslims and the defense sponsored by the west. That west that is so rich and immoral and generally bad. It is no surprise Jews aren't popular.
Imagine there would be war in the middle east and a big bunch of some ethnicity would join new yorker Muslims in the big apple. They take over the big Apple after a BS war sponsored by a superior middle east. (Assume for the sake of the argument that the US is as advanced as Russia now and the ME more like the US Army). Keep their own culture and claim the right to land via and old book mostly.
From their perspective why should they like Jews?
Sure the whole conflict could have been resolved ages ago if the arabs weren't such stubborn neighbors and maybe had accepted the rich Jews as an economic blessing. Yet Israeli settlers have some nutjobs among them which don't help the situation. I don't think the conservatives in Europe or the US would be quite shitty neighbors too.
Islam certainly doesn't help but it isn't the religion for why this turned sideways. If they wouldn't have been occupied after WW1 and ruled in such poor ways that they are now so far behind and then again hurt in their pride by the existence of Israel things would probably be just fine.

[East of Eden]

Nonsense, almost all terror attacks today are from Muslims, often against their co-religionists. How many are done by Christians? You mentioned anti-Semitism earlier, Muslims have pretty much a monopoly on that that, Jew-hate is part and parcel of Islam. By contrast, Israel has no greater friends than evangelical Christians.

Yes but one shouldn't forget that it is a place with a big chunk of youth who are unhappy with their general situation.
Christians also had their terrorism. Look at Ireland. Latin America.
Today ist rather quite.

Ireland was more about tribalism. Several of the leaders on both sides were agnostics. What you ignore is they did those things despite of the teachings of Christ, the jihadists operate because of the word and deed of Muhammed.

Islam got vocal with 9/11 and now those wars.

You really don't know your history if you think Jihad started on 9/11. Islam has been at war with non-Muslims since its founding, save for the now ended recent several century interlude that was due to Western military/technology superiority. Now they are a threat because they are more effective at using our technology. They themselves haven't invented anything besides the suicide bomb. As recently as the 1600s Vienna was threatened by Islam.

In some African states they repeatedly kill each other and terrorize other minorities but we barely take note.
Nobody ever in all of history liked the Jews. They hated them in Russia, in Germany, in France, in everywhere. Now they got a country formerly occupied by fellow Muslims and the defense sponsored by the west. That west that is so rich and immoral and generally bad. It is no surprise Jews aren't popular.

Nonsense, Jew hate is inherent to Islam.

Imagine there would be war in the middle east and a big bunch of some ethnicity would join new yorker Muslims in the big apple. They take over the big Apple after a BS war sponsored by a superior middle east. (Assume for the sake of the argument that the US is as advanced as Russia now and the ME more like the US Army). Keep their own culture and claim the right to land via and old book mostly.
From their perspective why should they like Jews?
Sure the whole conflict could have been resolved ages ago if the arabs weren't such stubborn neighbors and maybe had accepted the rich Jews as an economic blessing. Yet Israeli settlers have some nutjobs among them which don't help the situation. I don't think the conservatives in Europe or the US would be quite shitty neighbors too.
Islam certainly doesn't help but it isn't the religion for why this turned sideways. If they wouldn't have been occupied after WW1 and ruled in such poor ways that they are now so far behind and then again hurt in their pride by the existence of Israel things would probably be just fine.

Then why is radical Islam at war with 'infidels' in many parts of the world that have nothing to do with Israel? Take India, for example, is the following because of Israel?

http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2010/09/ ... terrorism/

[micatala]

Yet Israeli settlers have some nutjobs among them which don't help the situation. I don't think the conservatives in Europe or the US would be quite shitty neighbors too.

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[McCulloch]

What you ignore is the Muslims do their crimes because of the word and deed of the prophet, Christians who did such things did them despite the word and deeds of Jesus, who harmed nobody. They were certainly ignoring this:

12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside.

I Cor. 5:12-13

So why is it that the Christians today want to prohibit same sex marriage for those outside the church?

[East of Eden]

What you ignore is the Muslims do their crimes because of the word and deed of the prophet, Christians who did such things did them despite the word and deeds of Jesus, who harmed nobody. They were certainly ignoring this:

12 What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? 13 God will judge those outside.

I Cor. 5:12-13

So why is it that the Christians today want to prohibit same sex marriage for those outside the church?

This is hardly just a Christian position, for all of human history marriage has been seen as between men and women. Partaking of the democratic process is different from what happens in Islamic countries to people who violate their standards.

[McCulloch]

So why is it that the Christians today want to prohibit same sex marriage for those outside the church?

This is hardly just a Christian position, for all of human history marriage has been seen as between men and women.

East of Eden is correct in part. There are those outside of the Christian tradition who, mainly for religious reasons, also stand opposed to the recognition of same sex marriage. There are also those who claim a Christian faith who approve. But that is all irrelevant to the point. The point is that there are no defensible secular reasons for the opposition to same sex marriage. You must turn to religious dogma to justify the opposition.

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Partaking of the democratic process is different from what happens in Islamic countries to people who violate their standards.

Yes, things are much better here than in Islamic countries. Here we are at least free to have this debate. Here we live under the democratic principle that our laws are not made by religious dogma. Here, reasoned, open and honest criticism of the religions and reasoned, open and honest defense of the same are allowed.

[help3434]

You mentioned anti-Semitism earlier, Muslims have pretty much a monopoly on that that, Jew-hate is part and parcel of Islam.

A monopoly on anti-Semitism? Were the Nazis Muslim? Are the KKK?

[East of Eden]

You mentioned anti-Semitism earlier, Muslims have pretty much a monopoly on that that, Jew-hate is part and parcel of Islam.

A monopoly on anti-Semitism? Were the Nazis Muslim? Are the KKK?

Notice the present tense 'have', there aren't too many active Nazis or KKK around today.

The Nazis may not have been Muslim, but they were certainly chummy with them.

http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/

[East of Eden]

So why is it that the Christians today want to prohibit same sex marriage for those outside the church?

This is hardly just a Christian position, for all of human history marriage has been seen as between men and women.

East of Eden is correct in part. There are those outside of the Christian tradition who, mainly for religious reasons, also stand opposed to the recognition of same sex marriage. There are also those who claim a Christian faith who approve. But that is all irrelevant to the point. The point is that there are no defensible secular reasons for the opposition to same sex marriage. You must turn to religious dogma to justify the opposition.

Not really. http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7656 ... riage.html

And as I've said before here, whatever motivates one to vote a certain way is none of your business.

Yes, things are much better here than in Islamic countries. Here we are at least free to have this debate. Here we live under the democratic principle that our laws are not made by religious dogma. Here, reasoned, open and honest criticism of the religions and reasoned, open and honest defense of the same are allowed.

Interesting how that state of affairs arose in the Christian West.