Remove 'in god we trust'

[Richard81]

Having God on our currency and in our Pledge of Allegiance fuels the false belief that the United States is a Christian nation. As declared in the Treaty of Tripoli, 1796, "...the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." This was signed by president John Adams. Having God in our currency and in our Pledge of Allegiance directly disrespects those among us who are not of the Christian faith, and it should be removed.

I took that from this site https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petiti ... e/sx9gbfgW
It is a petition to remove 'God' from our currency and pledge of allegiance. Do you agree that this should be done? Why or why not? If you do, please sign this petition.

[Untraveled Trail]

Was He offended when you left Him out of your Constitution? When you did not think to add this reference to your paper money until 1957?

The Founding Fathers undoubtedly assumed that we naturally understood this principle and decided it was not important to state the obvious. The significantly underestimated the devolution of common sense and faith in our country. We put it on our currency in 1957 as a reminder to people and now people, it probably goes without saying but I'll say it anyway, infidels, have stepped out and in an effort to destroy our nation of faith are attempting to have it removed.

Your constitution keeps religious instruction out of the publicly funded schools.

The Constitution does not keep religion out of schools. The Supreme Court is doing that. Until the mid-late '70s Bibles were handed out in most schools to Fifth Graders and many public schools allowed Bible instruction in the school. Evil, godless communists sought to have God removed from our schools in an effort to undermine the youth of our society and sadly, its working.

Yes, I know. The man is the head of woman as Christ is the head of the Church. Thanks for that!

There's more to it than that. Women in the workplace began to ask for equality and lost their sense of Godly ordained submissiveness and upended the natural order of things. Another sign of our moral decadence and decline.

What does the criminal status of a mild drug, less addictive than alcohol and less deadly than tobacco, have to do with God?

Decriminalizing drugs will give license for people to use and abuse them. The body is the temple of the Lord and should be treated with reverence and respect, meaning no drugs.

In Canada, we allow same-sex marriage. God is not demonstrating His wrath upon us.

I'm not convinced of that. Your country has socialized medicine, cold winters, and the scourge of ice hockey, not to mention your country has gun control and high taxes. Our media is so focused on our own issues that we don't hear much about Canada but I suspect you're experiencing more calamity than you realize.

Some lunatic believers in the same God as Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, decide to fly large airplanes into buildings and you think that it is God's wrath on your nation for some kind of wrongdoing you permit?

Its as obvious as the nose on a person's face. Evil has consequences. We allow it, even sanction it and it is visited upon us. Kind of like an eye for an eye... How to explain the suffering of people who did not participate in the sinfulness is a question of theodicy but as a nation, its pretty clear.

America allowed the sin of slavery and for almost a century God did nothing. God did not grant the freedoms found in America; the American people stood up and claimed them for themselves.

Slavery is a sin but it was permitted in the Bible and as the "new" promised land was permitted here. The scourge of slavery was an abomination we overcame and if we hadn't I'm sure economic collapse was well on its way.

George Bush did not eloquently put anything. I have more freedom ignoring the shrill voices of those who claim to speak for God than I had before I was an unbeliever. Your founders seem to agree. They left God out of the legislative process.

It may not have received much play in your country but during the 2000 Presidential Debates, George W Bush eloquently stated that his favorite philosopher was Jesus. How can one speak more beautifully than that?

Um. No. You cannot make God happy. Potential immigrants are not swarming to get in because of a phrase on the money. Really!

Its not the phrase itself causing immigrants to swarm to the United States, its the fact that as a Godly nation trusting in God, the blessings of prosperity are obvious for the world to see and they want to partake. Take God out of the equation and the entire house of cards will collapse.

'In God We Trust' has nothing whatsoever to do with the establishment of religion. Its use is of patriotic or ceremonial character and bears no true resemblance to a governmental sponsorship of a religious exercise.

I agree this is no governmental establishment of religion. In God We Trust is an acknowledgement that we rely upon the benevolent hand of the Almighty for our blessings. Nothing more, nothing less.

[Clownboat]

Removing "In God We Trust" from our currency would be just another step down a trail we really should not be traveling. It would be another sign of our rejecting God, a slap to the face of the Almighty. Taking God out of schools, allowing abortion, women in the workplace, and the thought that soon we may decriminalize marijuana as well as allow same sex marriage!!! We are hastening our own destruction as God sits in heaven shaking his head at us... we may soon provoke his anger and may feel his wrath like we did on September 11. These freedoms we have were given directly from the hand of God and flaunting our sinfulness and turning our back on God will have consequences like the downfall of America! As George Bush so eloquently put it, "terrorists hate our freedom" and I think from that we can extrapolate that since the freedom comes from God that they hate God too. If we want to continue to be the beacon of hope and freedom around the world that makes everyone jealous and want to live here, we need to keep God happy and retain "In God We Trust" on our money.

Religion is considered by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.

You seem to accept Christian religious claims (why not all religious claims?) as true.
I find them false.
George Bush, found them useful.

God is mad at us for allowing women in the work place!?!?!?!?!?!

Why would god be mad about legalizing marijuana?
Genesis 1:29 - Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

All your claims seem to be coming out of nowhere to me. We can all make claims, but not all of us can back them up.

[East of Eden]

Removing "In God We Trust" from our currency would be just another step down a trail we really should not be traveling. It would be another sign of our rejecting God, a slap to the face of the Almighty. Taking God out of schools, allowing abortion, women in the workplace, and the thought that soon we may decriminalize marijuana as well as allow same sex marriage!!! We are hastening our own destruction as God sits in heaven shaking his head at us... we may soon provoke his anger and may feel his wrath like we did on September 11. These freedoms we have were given directly from the hand of God and flaunting our sinfulness and turning our back on God will have consequences like the downfall of America! As George Bush so eloquently put it, "terrorists hate our freedom" and I think from that we can extrapolate that since the freedom comes from God that they hate God too. If we want to continue to be the beacon of hope and freedom around the world that makes everyone jealous and want to live here, we need to keep God happy and retain "In God We Trust" on our money.

Religion is considered by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful.

The rulers known as the Founders believed our rights came from God, or religion as you put it.

You seem to accept Christian religious claims (why not all religious claims?) as true.

The founders of the other religions are all dead, mine fulfilled prophecy, performed miracles, and rose from the dead.

George Bush, found them useful.

So did Dr. M.L. King. So?

Why would god be mad about legalizing marijuana?
Genesis 1:29 - Then God said, "I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food.

Any intentional mind-altering substance is a sin, just as drunkenness. By your out of context, drunkenness is OK. Also, is marijuana food?

All your claims seem to be coming out of nowhere to me. We can all make claims, but not all of us can back them up.

We agree.

[STLSkeptic]

Removing "In God We Trust" from our currency would be just another step down a trail we really should not be traveling. It would be another sign of our rejecting God, a slap to the face of the Almighty. Taking God out of schools, allowing abortion, women in the workplace, and the thought that soon we may decriminalize marijuana as well as allow same sex marriage!!! We are hastening our own destruction as God sits in heaven shaking his head at us... we may soon provoke his anger and may feel his wrath like we did on September 11. These freedoms we have were given directly from the hand of God and flaunting our sinfulness and turning our back on God will have consequences like the downfall of America! As George Bush so eloquently put it, "terrorists hate our freedom" and I think from that we can extrapolate that since the freedom comes from God that they hate God too. If we want to continue to be the beacon of hope and freedom around the world that makes everyone jealous and want to live here, we need to keep God happy and retain "In God We Trust" on our money.

Not one single point raised has to deal with the reason a secular country should have a religious motto nor why the religious adherents continue to support the violation of their second and third commandments.

Quite honestly Everything listed here has been since the motto was placed permanently on the currency so you can, using same logic, trace the so call downfall of all your claims to the placement of the national motto upon the currency in 1957.

All the things you claim to like in your statement were still in place before America violated the second and third commandments.

[JoeyKnothead]

From Post 163:

The rulers known as the Founders believed our rights came from God, or religion as you put it.

Believing something to be true is not the same as it actually being true.

The founders of the other religions are all dead...

So too are the founders of this nation.

...mine fulfilled prophecy, performed miracles, and rose from the dead.

I challenge you to show you speak truth in this regard.

1st challenge.

...
Any intentional mind-altering substance is a sin, just as drunkenness.
...

I challenge you to show a god considers such to be a "sin".

1st challenge.

>snip<

[Clownboat]

Joey, has addressed your post and as of now I see no need to also respond (except).

Any intentional mind-altering substance is a sin, just as drunkenness. By your out of context, drunkenness is OK.

Genesis 9:21 (Noah) One day he drank some wine he had made, and he became drunk and lay naked inside his tent.
Genesis 6:9 This is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, the only blameless person living on earth at the time, and he walked in close fellowship with God.

Was Noah a righteous man like the Bible claims?

Also, is marijuana food?

It is when you are preparing space cakes or hash brownies.
You can also look up Cannabis Foods.

Is coffee "unrighteous" to you as well? It's physically addictive (unlike marijuana), more widely used, and is mind-altering.

The secret of coffee`s popularity is the mind-altering drug caffeine, primarily responsible for coffee`s stimulating effects.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1989 ... ar-coffees

Down with coffee!

[East of Eden]

Removing "In God We Trust" from our currency would be just another step down a trail we really should not be traveling. It would be another sign of our rejecting God, a slap to the face of the Almighty. Taking God out of schools, allowing abortion, women in the workplace, and the thought that soon we may decriminalize marijuana as well as allow same sex marriage!!! We are hastening our own destruction as God sits in heaven shaking his head at us... we may soon provoke his anger and may feel his wrath like we did on September 11. These freedoms we have were given directly from the hand of God and flaunting our sinfulness and turning our back on God will have consequences like the downfall of America! As George Bush so eloquently put it, "terrorists hate our freedom" and I think from that we can extrapolate that since the freedom comes from God that they hate God too. If we want to continue to be the beacon of hope and freedom around the world that makes everyone jealous and want to live here, we need to keep God happy and retain "In God We Trust" on our money.

Not one single point raised has to deal with the reason a secular country should have a religious motto nor why the religious adherents continue to support the violation of their second and third commandments.

Quite honestly Everything listed here has been since the motto was placed permanently on the currency so you can, using same logic, trace the so call downfall of all your claims to the placement of the national motto upon the currency in 1957.

All the things you claim to like in your statement were still in place before America violated the second and third commandments.

I have no idea what you're going on about vilating the Commandments, and why would you care?

[East of Eden]

Joey, has addressed your post and as of now I see no need to also respond (except).

Any intentional mind-altering substance is a sin, just as drunkenness. By your out of context, drunkenness is OK.

Genesis 9:21 (Noah) One day he drank some wine he had made, and he became drunk and lay naked inside his tent.
Genesis 6:9 This is the account of Noah and his family. Noah was a righteous man, the only blameless person living on earth at the time, and he walked in close fellowship with God.

Was Noah a righteous man like the Bible claims?

Righteous, not perfect.

It is when you are preparing space cakes or hash brownies.
You can also look up Cannabis Foods.

Is coffee "unrighteous" to you as well? It's physically addictive (unlike marijuana), more widely used, and is mind-altering.

The secret of coffee`s popularity is the mind-altering drug caffeine, primarily responsible for coffee`s stimulating effects.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1989 ... ar-coffees

Down with coffee!

Can't help you there, I don't drink coffee, which doesn't make you 'drunk' anyway. BTW, up to 50% of daily marijuana users are addicted.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/m ... -addictive

[Clownboat]

Was Noah a righteous man like the Bible claims?

Righteous, not perfect.

Genesis 9:21 (Noah) One day he drank some wine he had made, and he became drunk and lay naked inside his tent.

right·eous [rahy-chuhs] Show IPA
adjective
1.
characterized by uprightness or morality: a righteous observance of the law.
2.
morally right or justifiable: righteous indignation.
3.
acting in an upright, moral way; virtuous: a righteous and godly person.
4.
Slang. absolutely genuine or wonderful

Is coffee "unrighteous" to you as well? It's physically addictive (unlike marijuana), more widely used, and is mind-altering.

The secret of coffee`s popularity is the mind-altering drug caffeine, primarily responsible for coffee`s stimulating effects.
http://articles.chicagotribune.com/1989 ... ar-coffees

Down with coffee!

Can't help you there, I don't drink coffee, which doesn't make you 'drunk' anyway. BTW, up to 50% of daily marijuana users are addicted.

Is coffee use a sin, or are you inconsistent?

[East of Eden]

Was Noah a righteous man like the Bible claims?

Righteous, not perfect.

Genesis 9:21 (Noah) One day he drank some wine he had made, and he became drunk and lay naked inside his tent.

right·eous [rahy-chuhs] Show IPA
adjective
1.
characterized by uprightness or morality: a righteous observance of the law.
2.
morally right or justifiable: righteous indignation.
3.
acting in an upright, moral way; virtuous: a righteous and godly person.
4.
Slang. absolutely genuine or wonderful

Thanks for proving my point, it doesn't say perfect. Nobody earns their salvation.

Is coffee use a sin, or are you inconsistent?

Why would it be, anymore than thousands of legal drugs that have an effect that isn't mind-altering?