Who Did Jesus Pray to?

GrizzFanDan · Post by **GrizzFanDan** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:00 pm

Question for Christians - Who did Jesus pray to? Was he talking to himself?

fewwillfindit · Post by **fewwillfindit** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:07 pm

GrizzFanDan wrote:Question for Christians - Who did Jesus pray to? Was he talking to himself?

Why don't you post the scriptures that have Jesus praying? Post them in context and you'll have your answer.

flitzerbiest · Post by **flitzerbiest** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:13 pm

He was praying to God, whom he called Father. The texts are quite clear on that.

fewwillfindit · Post by **fewwillfindit** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 6:31 pm

flitzerbiest wrote:He was praying to God, whom he called Father. The texts are quite clear on that.

My point exactly, but I think the OP knows this already. It's going to be interesting to see what the real debate question will be. Trinity/modalism perhaps?

GrizzFanDan · Post by **GrizzFanDan** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:29 pm

Maybe my real question should be, what's the need in praying to himself?

flitzerbiest · Post by **flitzerbiest** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:44 pm

GrizzFanDan wrote:Maybe my real question should be, what's the need in praying to himself?

Not to state the obvious, but he wasn't praying to himself. When the gospels were written, trinitarianism wasn't even on the horizon as a theological idea. One can hardly expect the evangelists to couch their story in a doctrine that they had never heard of or considered.

fewwillfindit · Post by **fewwillfindit** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 9:46 pm

GrizzFanDan wrote:Maybe my real question should be, what's the need in praying to himself?

Please quote the scriptures that show that Jesus prayed to Himself. Next, please articulate why you believe this to be true. You are being too vague. Just come out and say what you want to say.

horiturk · Post by **horiturk** » Tue Nov 30, 2010 11:52 pm

evidently he prayed to himself if you listen to trinitarian christians.....makes a lot of sense too!

fewwillfindit · Post by **fewwillfindit** » Wed Dec 01, 2010 12:35 am

horiturk wrote:evidently he prayed to himself if you listen to trinitarian christians.....makes a lot of sense too!

You are speaking of modalism, not mainstream trinitarianism.

Darias · Post by **Darias** » Wed Dec 01, 2010 1:05 am

I'm not completely sold on the idea of Trinity.

Jesus was praying to God, who He called Father - that's quite clear (as far as the Gospels say).

Trinitarians don't claim that Jesus was praying to Himself. People who believe in the Trinity believe that God the Father and God the Son are distinct persons, but united enough to be one - like-minded and of the same essence. Trinitarians do not believe they are separate gods, but a single God of 3 individuals.

Here's a Venn diagram that illustrates the concept.

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The New Testament contains books authored by different people with their own theologies.

Some books suggest Christ was not God, but God's Son -- who (according to Christ) was lesser than the Father and who, according to Revelation, is not 100% omniscient.

Others use Lord interchangeably with God and Christ and Spirit, and suggest more of a unity of all 3.

Thus far, I have considered the non-trinitarian position. I find it a little more defensible than the trinity, but I haven't completely made up my mind yet.

What I do know is, Christ is not the Father. He was His own person in either case.

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