Do You Think Obama Deserve Re Election?
If Yes: Please cite significant things he has done that have benefited this country and it's citizens.
If No: Please cite significant things he has or hasn't done that would lead you to vote for another candidate.
Does Obama Deserve To Be Re-Elected?
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Post #22
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Actually, he has not raised taxes on those people, it is the Reps who are holding them hostage trying to get extended tax cuts for million/billionaires.Failed to keep some promises that I considered important issues,...not raising taxes on families making less than $250,000
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Could you provide the context for his quote? It would be unfortunate if this is a case of contextomy.mormon boy51 wrote:It might be a stretch but it bothers me that Harry Reid said that.ChaosBorders wrote:Saying they passed it through without any consideration is rather a stretch.mormon boy51 wrote:One reason im upset with Obama is the promises he did not keep were big ones that got him elected. Plus the fact that health care was pushed through without any considerations at all.
Harry Reid wrote:We have to pass this bill in the Senate first," Reid said. "We'll worry about the next step at a later time.
As for his promises, I don't think he's doing terribly.
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/
Not as incredibly great a president as I would have hoped, but all things considered I think he's doing well. Congress, on the other hand....
Plus I think they were in a hurry to try and get health care through while they could before the November elections.
And that might have been part of it. They knew they were going to lose seats and were having enough trouble passing something as it was. If they hadn't passed it relatively quickly, it wouldn't have gotten passed at all. That being said, there was still significant amounts of debate regarding it.
Personally I'm somewhat torn regarding the bill. I haven't personally read it, but from reading articles about it, I suspect it has its fair share of problems. On the other hand, it also seems to contain a fair number of things that genuinely should happen and wouldn't without the bill as a whole having been passed.
Health care needs reforming very badly. I doubt the bill is nearly as good as it could have been, but many of the Republican suggestions are next to worthless and even the decent ones are not nearly sufficient to fix the problems. So for now, until evidence comes in suggesting otherwise, I lean towards the opinion the bill will do more good than harm.
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Harry ReidChaosBorders wrote:Could you provide the context for his quote? It would be unfortunate if this is a case of contextomy.mormon boy51 wrote:It might be a stretch but it bothers me that Harry Reid said that.ChaosBorders wrote:Saying they passed it through without any consideration is rather a stretch.mormon boy51 wrote:One reason im upset with Obama is the promises he did not keep were big ones that got him elected. Plus the fact that health care was pushed through without any considerations at all.
Harry Reid wrote:We have to pass this bill in the Senate first," Reid said. "We'll worry about the next step at a later time.
As for his promises, I don't think he's doing terribly.
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/
Not as incredibly great a president as I would have hoped, but all things considered I think he's doing well. Congress, on the other hand....
Plus I think they were in a hurry to try and get health care through while they could before the November elections.
And that might have been part of it. They knew they were going to lose seats and were having enough trouble passing something as it was. If they hadn't passed it relatively quickly, it wouldn't have gotten passed at all. That being said, there was still significant amounts of debate regarding it.
Personally I'm somewhat torn regarding the bill. I haven't personally read it, but from reading articles about it, I suspect it has its fair share of problems. On the other hand, it also seems to contain a fair number of things that genuinely should happen and wouldn't without the bill as a whole having been passed.
Health care needs reforming very badly. I doubt the bill is nearly as good as it could have been, but many of the Republican suggestions are next to worthless and even the decent ones are not nearly sufficient to fix the problems. So for now, until evidence comes in suggesting otherwise, I lean towards the opinion the bill will do more good than harm.
Might have been out of context.
I do agree that there are some good ideas in the bill and the republicans arent helping at all trying to stall this because health care needs to be reformed. I dont think the new bill is gonna help though, at best itll get us started in the right direction.
Personally, I really like how Australia has done their healthcare.
Health Care in Australia
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I suspect the U.S. is not likely to go for having primarily government run hospitals. Their system definitely sounds good, but there are several aspects that would be very difficult for our nation to adopt.mormon boy51 wrote:Harry ReidChaosBorders wrote:Could you provide the context for his quote? It would be unfortunate if this is a case of contextomy.mormon boy51 wrote:It might be a stretch but it bothers me that Harry Reid said that.ChaosBorders wrote:Saying they passed it through without any consideration is rather a stretch.mormon boy51 wrote:One reason im upset with Obama is the promises he did not keep were big ones that got him elected. Plus the fact that health care was pushed through without any considerations at all.
Harry Reid wrote:We have to pass this bill in the Senate first," Reid said. "We'll worry about the next step at a later time.
As for his promises, I don't think he's doing terribly.
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/
Not as incredibly great a president as I would have hoped, but all things considered I think he's doing well. Congress, on the other hand....
Plus I think they were in a hurry to try and get health care through while they could before the November elections.
And that might have been part of it. They knew they were going to lose seats and were having enough trouble passing something as it was. If they hadn't passed it relatively quickly, it wouldn't have gotten passed at all. That being said, there was still significant amounts of debate regarding it.
Personally I'm somewhat torn regarding the bill. I haven't personally read it, but from reading articles about it, I suspect it has its fair share of problems. On the other hand, it also seems to contain a fair number of things that genuinely should happen and wouldn't without the bill as a whole having been passed.
Health care needs reforming very badly. I doubt the bill is nearly as good as it could have been, but many of the Republican suggestions are next to worthless and even the decent ones are not nearly sufficient to fix the problems. So for now, until evidence comes in suggesting otherwise, I lean towards the opinion the bill will do more good than harm.
Might have been out of context.
I do agree that there are some good ideas in the bill and the republicans arent helping at all trying to stall this because health care needs to be reformed. I dont think the new bill is gonna help though, at best itll get us started in the right direction.
Personally, I really like how Australia has done their healthcare.
Health Care in Australia
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Well of course since our nations are so different. But a system that follows along with this could work. From my memory, people only had to pay about a $1500-$2000 premium for a whole year of insurance in Australia. I could be wrong though.ChaosBorders wrote:I suspect the U.S. is not likely to go for having primarily government run hospitals. Their system definitely sounds good, but there are several aspects that would be very difficult for our nation to adopt.mormon boy51 wrote:Harry ReidChaosBorders wrote:Could you provide the context for his quote? It would be unfortunate if this is a case of contextomy.mormon boy51 wrote:It might be a stretch but it bothers me that Harry Reid said that.ChaosBorders wrote:Saying they passed it through without any consideration is rather a stretch.mormon boy51 wrote:One reason im upset with Obama is the promises he did not keep were big ones that got him elected. Plus the fact that health care was pushed through without any considerations at all.
Harry Reid wrote:We have to pass this bill in the Senate first," Reid said. "We'll worry about the next step at a later time.
As for his promises, I don't think he's doing terribly.
http://politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/
Not as incredibly great a president as I would have hoped, but all things considered I think he's doing well. Congress, on the other hand....
Plus I think they were in a hurry to try and get health care through while they could before the November elections.
And that might have been part of it. They knew they were going to lose seats and were having enough trouble passing something as it was. If they hadn't passed it relatively quickly, it wouldn't have gotten passed at all. That being said, there was still significant amounts of debate regarding it.
Personally I'm somewhat torn regarding the bill. I haven't personally read it, but from reading articles about it, I suspect it has its fair share of problems. On the other hand, it also seems to contain a fair number of things that genuinely should happen and wouldn't without the bill as a whole having been passed.
Health care needs reforming very badly. I doubt the bill is nearly as good as it could have been, but many of the Republican suggestions are next to worthless and even the decent ones are not nearly sufficient to fix the problems. So for now, until evidence comes in suggesting otherwise, I lean towards the opinion the bill will do more good than harm.
Might have been out of context.
I do agree that there are some good ideas in the bill and the republicans arent helping at all trying to stall this because health care needs to be reformed. I dont think the new bill is gonna help though, at best itll get us started in the right direction.
Personally, I really like how Australia has done their healthcare.
Health Care in Australia
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Post #27
.GOP has done nothing for middle and lower classes...I find this interesting to me. From my short personal experiences the upper class is independent and does not rely on anyone, while the lower class seems to expect to be given everything and is dependant
You named nothing that the GOP (since Reagan, at least) has done for the average working American. No wonder, since they are in it for the money and their corporate masters. The upper class is more welfare-dependent than all others. "Too Big to Fail" ring a Bell? How about TARP and Corporate welfare? How about all the war profiteering with no bid contracts? They certainly profit from the public domain (FDIC, SEC) but pay no taxes, and in many cases get refunds. So they privatize profits and socialize the liability (dumping pollution into our air and water). They get loopholes, shelters, and drop box tax evasion not available to the less wealthy. They use the money they gain from doing nothing to buy Congress and give themselves further power and influence over our lives. The result of not taxing them enough are monster deficits, mostly from the Bush mafia period. I'm tired of these welfare emperors and paying for their profligate ways. They are what's wrong with America.
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Those who lost relatives were reimbursed about 5 billion dollars of tax payer money for there agreement not to sue the airline industry.mormon boy51 wrote:GOP has done nothing for middle and lower classes...I find this interesting to me. From my short personal experiences the upper class is independent and does not rely on anyone, while the lower class seems to expect to be given everything and is dependant.
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Sorry, what? I didnt catch how this relates to what I said.sleepyhead wrote:Those who lost relatives were reimbursed about 5 billion dollars of tax payer money for there agreement not to sue the airline industry.mormon boy51 wrote:GOP has done nothing for middle and lower classes...I find this interesting to me. From my short personal experiences the upper class is independent and does not rely on anyone, while the lower class seems to expect to be given everything and is dependant.
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Im not arguing for the GOP, im independent. Just stating my experience that people who say stuff similar to you expect stuff to be handed to them and I disagree with that.DeBunkem wrote:.GOP has done nothing for middle and lower classes...I find this interesting to me. From my short personal experiences the upper class is independent and does not rely on anyone, while the lower class seems to expect to be given everything and is dependant
You named nothing that the GOP (since Reagan, at least) has done for the average working American. No wonder, since they are in it for the money and their corporate masters. The upper class is more welfare-dependent than all others. "Too Big to Fail" ring a Bell? How about TARP and Corporate welfare? How about all the war profiteering with no bid contracts? They certainly profit from the public domain (FDIC, SEC) but pay no taxes, and in many cases get refunds. So they privatize profits and socialize the liability (dumping pollution into our air and water). They get loopholes, shelters, and drop box tax evasion not available to the less wealthy. They use the money they gain from doing nothing to buy Congress and give themselves further power and influence over our lives. The result of not taxing them enough are monster deficits, mostly from the Bush mafia period. I'm tired of these welfare emperors and paying for their profligate ways. They are what's wrong with America.
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