Some of the different views in religions regarding God are as follows...
There is no God. This belief is called Atheism and is taught by many. ( Psalm 14:1)
There is only one God. Monotheism taught by Jews, Christians, Islam and other religions. They all say there is only one God but are their gods all the same god? (Isaiah 45:5 )
There are two Gods or one God as a dual God. Bitheism or Dualism taught as concepts of good and evil or the God of heaven and the god of hell, also known as satan. Or one God consisting of only a Father and a son.
There are three Gods or One God as a Trinity or three aspects of God. Trinitarianism. The One God consisting of a team of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Some perceive it as blasphemy to think that God has partners or children of any kind.
How about a quartet of a God? Four faces of God as four beasts?(Rev7:11, Ezekiel 1:4-28 )
How about adding a mother who is the queen of heaven to the trinity concept? (Jeremiah 44)
How about seven Gods as in seven spirits of God? ( Rev 1:4, Rev 3:1, Rev 4:5, Rev5:6 )
How about an innumerable amount of Gods? ( Psalm 82:6, John 10:34)
How many members can be in one body?
1 Cor 12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also [is] Christ.
It makes logical sense to me that God is one body of many members who are all gods. This includes all of the above concepts.
It is the same concept as One Family made up of many families.
It makes sense to me seeing the Hebrew word ( 'elohiym ) translated as God is a plural word not a singular word and it includes, rulers, judges, angels, gods, goddess, divine ones, godlike one.
Any objections to that logic?
Does anyone not understand how one body can have many members or how one God can be made up of many gods or how one family can be made up of many families, not just one or three or four or seven?
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Post #2As your post showed biblically speaking there are "many gods and many lords'" (I cor 8:5).
The word "God" in hebrew simply means "powerful one" (El) so anyone or anything (whether real or imaginary) with a measure of power is refered to in the bible as a god (including Satan himself - see 2 Cor 4:4)
The Creator of the universe is identified by what is traditionally referred to as the tetragrammaton and the bible uniquely refers to Him as the ALMIGHTY or One True God.
The word "God" in hebrew simply means "powerful one" (El) so anyone or anything (whether real or imaginary) with a measure of power is refered to in the bible as a god (including Satan himself - see 2 Cor 4:4)
The Creator of the universe is identified by what is traditionally referred to as the tetragrammaton and the bible uniquely refers to Him as the ALMIGHTY or One True God.
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Let's say that God is infinite, which I am pretty sure he is,
Now if there were two 'gods' then they must be different...somehow otherwise they are just one, e.g. one is more loving, the other is more just...
But this would mean that one of them is lacking in love and the other in justice, as one has more 'love' or 'justice' than the other.
But since both are lacking in love or justice, that would mean that they are not infinite, because infinite means 'without' end, and these 'gods' have a limit to its' love or justice...
Thus there can only be one infinite being in the universe...Because if there were more, they would cease to be infinite.
But of course, not everyone believes in an infinite god(s). So that's my argument disabled if you want it that way.
Now if there were two 'gods' then they must be different...somehow otherwise they are just one, e.g. one is more loving, the other is more just...
But this would mean that one of them is lacking in love and the other in justice, as one has more 'love' or 'justice' than the other.
But since both are lacking in love or justice, that would mean that they are not infinite, because infinite means 'without' end, and these 'gods' have a limit to its' love or justice...
Thus there can only be one infinite being in the universe...Because if there were more, they would cease to be infinite.
But of course, not everyone believes in an infinite god(s). So that's my argument disabled if you want it that way.
C.S. Lewis-
A man can no more diminish God''s glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, ''darkness'' on the walls of his cell.
C.S. Lewis-
God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks to us in our conscience, but shouts in our pains: It is His megaphone to rouse a deaf world
A man can no more diminish God''s glory by refusing to worship Him than a lunatic can put out the sun by scribbling the word, ''darkness'' on the walls of his cell.
C.S. Lewis-
God whispers to us in our pleasures, speaks to us in our conscience, but shouts in our pains: It is His megaphone to rouse a deaf world
Re: As your post showed
Post #5ExactlyJehovahsWitness wrote:As your post showed biblically speaking there are "many gods and many lords'" (I cor 8:5).
The word "God" in hebrew simply means "powerful one" (El) so anyone or anything (whether real or imaginary) with a measure of power is refered to in the bible as a god (including Satan himself - see 2 Cor 4:4)
The Creator of the universe is identified by what is traditionally referred to as the tetragrammaton and the bible uniquely refers to Him as the ALMIGHTY or One True God.
Can you imagine the God of the Old Testament running away from King Harod?
Can you imagine the CREATOR being tortured by the CREATION?
I've learnt about many doctrines in Christianity, but none of them give me a satisfying answer to the Christian logic of God. Judaism is by far more logical in its approach to God & the oneness of God.
Do the people think that they will be left to say, "We believe" without being put to the test?
We have tested those before them, for GOD must distinguish those who are truthful, and He must expose the liars.
(Quran 29:2-3)
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Why Jesus is NOT God
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We have tested those before them, for GOD must distinguish those who are truthful, and He must expose the liars.
(Quran 29:2-3)
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Why Jesus is NOT God
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Re: As your post showed
Post #6I suppose you are refering to events in the life of *Jesus*. As one of Jehovah's Witnesses I don't believe Jesus is Almighty God but God's son.Murad wrote:Can you imagine the God of the Old Testament running away from King Harod?
Can you imagine the CREATOR being tortured by the CREATION?
True Christians (that hold to the beliefs and teaching of Jesus and the first century congregation) worship exactly the same God as the Jews. YHWH (Yaweh or in English "Jehovah").Murad wrote:I've learnt about many doctrines in Christianity, but none of them give me a satisfying answer to the Christian logic of God. Judaism is by far more logical in its approach to God & the oneness of God.
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Post #7Yes he is the Son of God; like the Bible says, all those that are guided by the Holy Spirit are Sons of God. Re-read the Old Testament; the word "Son of God" is nothing special and it applies to everyone. Its only the New Testament that gives it a whole new meaning.JehovahsWitness wrote:I suppose you are refering to events in the life of *Jesus*. As one of Jehovah's Witnesses I don't believe Jesus is Almighty God but God's son.Murad wrote:Can you imagine the God of the Old Testament running away from King Harod?
Can you imagine the CREATOR being tortured by the CREATION?
That is the conflict of your belief; even though you do not believe Jesus to be the Al-Mighty; you still believe him to be Divine(God)JehovahsWitness wrote:True Christians (that hold to the beliefs and teaching of Jesus and the first century congregation) worship exactly the same God as the Jews. YHWH (Yaweh or in English "Jehovah").Murad wrote:I've learnt about many doctrines in Christianity, but none of them give me a satisfying answer to the Christian logic of God. Judaism is by far more logical in its approach to God & the oneness of God.
How many times does the God of Israel urge the decendants of Abraham to submit to only 1 God? How many times does he say there is only 1 God & that there are no Gods beside him.
Do the people think that they will be left to say, "We believe" without being put to the test?
We have tested those before them, for GOD must distinguish those who are truthful, and He must expose the liars.
(Quran 29:2-3)
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Why Jesus is NOT God
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We have tested those before them, for GOD must distinguish those who are truthful, and He must expose the liars.
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Re: As your post showed
Post #8There is no conflict. Christians, like the Hebrews, are to WORSHIP no one but YHWH (English: Jehovah). Jesus is indeed "divine" the word means god-like. If God can make man "in his image" why can he not make angels (spirits) "in his image" also. Jesus is a creation of God, a spirit created in His (God's) image.Murad wrote:That is the conflict of your belief; even though you do not believe Jesus to be the Al-Mighty; you still believe him to be Divine(God)
How many times does the God of Israel urge the decendants of Abraham to submit to only 1 God? How many times does he say there is only 1 God & that there are no Gods beside him.
We do not worship him. Should Christians Worship Jesus?
True Christians should honour, follow and obey Jesus as their Master, Ransomer and King but Jesus himself said in Mattew 4 verse 10
New Living Translation (©2007)
"'... the Scriptures say, 'You must worship the LORD your God and serve only him.'"
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The word in the original greek for "worship*" CAN mean "do obeissance" as in bow low in an act of respect(much like people do to show respect to a King or a Queen) and Jesus rightly did accept that people show him that respect, Jesus NEVER told his disciples to WORSHIP him or pray to him. The same principles (above) apply to the angels since the same word ("proskuneo") is used in Revelation 5: 14.. "Worship" or "Obeissance" (see above)
http://www.getphpbb.com/phpbb/viewtopic ... rum=jw#373
Thus the disciples rightly paid obeissance, reverance and respect in bowing to before Jesus as the Son of God but were NOT guilty of breaking the first commandement by giving him WORSHIP that rightly only belongs to the Almighty Creator, Jehovah.
Further reading
http://jehovah.to/xlation/wo.html
http://onlytruegod.org/defense/proskyneo_worship.htm
Murad wrote:ExactlyJehovahsWitness wrote:As your post showed biblically speaking there are "many gods and many lords'" (I cor 8:5).
The word "God" in hebrew simply means "powerful one" (El) so anyone or anything (whether real or imaginary) with a measure of power is refered to in the bible as a god (including Satan himself - see 2 Cor 4:4)
The Creator of the universe is identified by what is traditionally referred to as the tetragrammaton and the bible uniquely refers to Him as the ALMIGHTY or One True God.
Can you imagine the God of the Old Testament running away from King Harod?
Can you imagine the CREATOR being tortured by the CREATION?
I've learnt about many doctrines in Christianity, but none of them give me a satisfying answer to the Christian logic of God. Judaism is by far more logical in its approach to God & the oneness of God.
