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If you answer this you have free will, if you don't answer this you have free will.
Its your choice.

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I could not stop myself from responding.

How do you know that you could have done anything other than what you have done?
Examine everything carefully; hold fast to that which is good.
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Freewill in Christianity is a non Biblical word based on religious myth and not God's Word. Everyone has a freewill to choose things. But you did not choose to be born, to die, your color of skin, your parents, where you were born and you cannot choose God.

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Benoni wrote:Freewill in Christianity is a non Biblical word based on religious myth and not God's Word. Everyone has a freewill to choose things. But you did not choose to be born, to die, your color of skin, your parents, where you were born and you cannot choose God.
Do you know how foolish your statement is, of course you can't choose to be born or to die, the color of your skin, your parents, where you were born and you cannot choose God. Not as a baby, but the ability to choose is there. And as we grow so does our freewill, and yes you can choose God once you have the knowledge of God through His word.

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rdventen wrote:
Benoni wrote:Freewill in Christianity is a non Biblical word based on religious myth and not God's Word. Everyone has a freewill to choose things. But you did not choose to be born, to die, your color of skin, your parents, where you were born and you cannot choose God.
Do you know how foolish your statement is, of course you can't choose to be born or to die, the color of your skin, your parents, where you were born and you cannot choose God. Not as a baby, but the ability to choose is there. And as we grow so does our freewill, and yes you can choose God once you have the knowledge of God through His word.
How did you personnaly choose to be born?
Death is something desired?

The baby does not choose to be born his parent choose to have a bay... WHAT are you talking about; you got to be kidding ?

You can choose a Coke over a Pepsi; a Ford over a Toyota but you do not choose the big things in life. Yes man can choose sin; for man is born a slave to sin. But there is no such thing in God's Word where man chooses his own salvation.

In fact God's Word teaches to the contrary.

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rdventen wrote:If you answer this you have free will, if you don't answer this you have free will.
Its your choice.
Freedom requires a lack of constraint. My actions, including answering this, are constrained by my personality, my neurochemistry, my biology, etc. There is no true freedom there at all.
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rdventen wrote:
Benoni wrote:Freewill in Christianity is a non Biblical word based on religious myth and not God's Word. Everyone has a freewill to choose things. But you did not choose to be born, to die, your color of skin, your parents, where you were born and you cannot choose God.
Do you know how foolish your statement is, of course you can't choose to be born or to die, the color of your skin, your parents, where you were born and you cannot choose God. Not as a baby, but the ability to choose is there. And as we grow so does our freewill, and yes you can choose God once you have the knowledge of God through His word.
If God is a fact there is no choosing of God. God is. As such, one may choose to believe, to be devout, to worship, but one cannot ever choose God. There is no choice to be made. One may only choose God if there is no God as a fact. In this case, one has chosen to insert a fallacy into the basis of reason, and one has indeed exercised free will, the will to be wrong.
If all the ignorance in the world passed a second ago, what would you say? Who would you obey?

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Chaosborders wrote:
rdventen wrote:If you answer this you have free will, if you don't answer this you have free will.
Its your choice.
Freedom requires a lack of constraint. My actions, including answering this, are constrained by my personality, my neurochemistry, my biology, etc. There is no true freedom there at all.
Are you saying that without absolute freedom we have no freedom, no meaningful volition? How can that make sense? That strikes me as the flaw in all determinisms, from christian to scientific.

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Slopeshoulder wrote:
Chaosborders wrote:
rdventen wrote:If you answer this you have free will, if you don't answer this you have free will.
Its your choice.
Freedom requires a lack of constraint. My actions, including answering this, are constrained by my personality, my neurochemistry, my biology, etc. There is no true freedom there at all.
Are you saying that without absolute freedom we have no freedom, no meaningful volition? How can that make sense? That strikes me as the flaw in all determinisms, from christian to scientific.
I agree with Choasborders to a degree in that all of the factors he mentions play a role in our decisions but I'd wonder to what degree. Are all of the above mentioned factors account for all that are decisions are or just part of our choice-making while we still have some independence from them or at least some dualistic mitigating component.

I also think free-will, spontaneous action, or whatever you want to call it is a "necessary' attribute for existence since that's all an "uncaused cause" is.

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Angel wrote:I agree with Choasborders to a degree in that all of the factors he mentions play a role in our decisions but I'd wonder to what degree. Are all of the above mentioned factors account for all that are decisions are or just part of our choice-making while we still have some independence from them or at least some dualistic mitigating component.
If they aren't the entire reason, then what completes the list of factors? Whatever that may be then functions in the same manner as those mentioned byChoasborder. The only alternative is that randomness, utter and complete randomness, governs our actions (physical and mental), in which case our independence is no more real than if our actions are wholly deterministic. So, either determinism rules our lives or randomness does, and from what we know, determinism is the winner.

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