Letting children decide for themselves.....

Misty · Post by **Misty** » Thu May 27, 2010 9:46 am

....about matters of faith.

My husband and I had grown out of the 'born again' dogma of our childhood by the time the children came along. We didn't attend church, but decided that our children should decide for themselves if they wished to go to church and Sunday School, which they all did. Our eldest daughter is now an Anglican Priest (not a fundie though, thank goodness!) Faith is completely a matter of personal opinion unlike other areas of our lives, so it is wrong to force a child to accept a faith, or lack of it. Both my husband and myself wish our parents had been that liberal instead of forcing their beliefs on us.

Do you insist your children follow your lead in matters of faith?

oldkjv · Post by **oldkjv** » Fri May 28, 2010 1:49 am

I may not have kids if Jesus comes back before I can.

bernee51 · Post by **bernee51** » Fri May 28, 2010 1:51 am

oldkjv wrote:I may not have kids if Jesus comes back before I can.

off topic comment deleted

McCulloch · Post by **McCulloch** » Fri May 28, 2010 1:57 am

oldkjv wrote: I may not have kids if Jesus comes back before I can.

bernee51 wrote: Jesus is not coming back kid.

The Jesus of the gospels is a myth.

Off topic.

McCulloch · Post by **McCulloch** » Fri May 28, 2010 2:04 am

oldkjv wrote: When I grow up I will take my kids to church weather or not they like.

That is a good way to guarantee that they will hate it.

oldkjv wrote: I think that by making them go to church that it will keep them from bad influences.

There are bad influences in the churches. Good luck with that.

oldkjv wrote: Pro 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

That is wonderful advice! Do you think that the way he should go is to attend a religious service that he gets nothing out of and to pretend to believe when he does not? I don't. I think that the way my kids should go is to be honest with their beliefs and their doubts and to seek a true path, led by reason and compassion.

Misty · Post by **Misty** » Fri May 28, 2010 8:49 am

oldkjv wrote:I may not have kids if Jesus comes back before I can.

He has been expected for the last 2000 years, and will probably be still expected in the next 2000, so I wouldn't get your hopes up!

Benoni · Post by **Benoni** » Fri May 28, 2010 9:07 am

Misty wrote:
oldkjv wrote:I may not have kids if Jesus comes back before I can.
He has been expected for the last 2000 years, and will probably be still expected in the next 2000, so I wouldn't get your hopes up!

He is already here. He is with in us.

Benoni · Post by **Benoni** » Fri May 28, 2010 9:10 am

McCulloch wrote:
oldkjv wrote: When I grow up I will take my kids to church weather or not they like.

That is a good way to guarantee that they will hate it.

oldkjv wrote: I think that by making them go to church that it will keep them from bad influences.

There are bad influences in the churches. Good luck with that.

oldkjv wrote: Pro 22:6 Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

That is wonderful advice! Do you think that the way he should go is to attend a religious service that he gets nothing out of and to pretend to believe when he does not? I don't. I think that the way my kids should go is to be honest with their beliefs and their doubts and to seek a true path, led by reason and compassion.

You cannot force anyone to believe; but God does.

The word draw us as stated in John 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw (Gk(drag) him: and I will raise him up at the last day. and John 12:32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw (Gk(drag) all men unto me. The word draw is the Greek word from Strongâ€™s 1670: helkuo (hel-koo'-o);or helko (hel'-ko); probably akin to 138; to drag (literally or figuratively): There is no choice for the person when God draws you, drags you or forces you to come; it is God's choice not little man.

The Bible declares that God will draw all men unto me. In other words God will draw/drag or force all men unto Him. No freewill or choice when this will happen.

The truth of the supernatural and all-powerful DRAWING of God is one of the most neglected of all the great truths of God's Word, and yet it is one of the most important. Undoubtedly the reason for its neglect is that it is repugnant to the world of unregenerate man, and professing Christians whose theology denies the sovereign and infinite grace of God. One of the chief characteristics of apostate Christendom is that it vigorously opposes any teaching of Scripture that refuses to give man the glory. Therefore any doctrine of the Bible that declares man's helplessness apart from the activating power of God is bound to arouse the ire of the adversary and his followers.

ChaosBorders · Post by **ChaosBorders** » Fri May 28, 2010 9:29 am

oldkjv wrote:I may not have kids if Jesus comes back before I can.

That is unlikely. But if you have the self-control not to commit sexual immorality, you could always take the route of Paul and be celibate your whole life anyways.

Goat · Post by **Goat** » Fri May 28, 2010 10:00 am

oldkjv wrote:Look im a kid and no one is changing my mind about church.

You think im naive then when is the last time you have seen someone raise the dead in the name of Jesus!!

Well I have twice and both times it was my dad!

How do you know they were dead? Are you a doctor?

Benoni · Post by **Benoni** » Fri May 28, 2010 12:02 pm

goat wrote:
oldkjv wrote:Look im a kid and no one is changing my mind about church.

You think im naive then when is the last time you have seen someone raise the dead in the name of Jesus!!

Well I have twice and both times it was my dad!
How do you know they were dead? Are you a doctor?

A lot of things in the Bible cannot be grasped by Doctor's and Lawyers and scientists; I am an Illustrator why do I have artistic talent where many do not. How many stars are their in the heaven, how many sand's on the sea shore? Your human logic only goes so far and then faith jumps in.

The death of Jesus and His resurrection has nothing to do with what is known; it has to do with the unknown the realm of God which the earthy carnal man cannot and will not grasp.