Do we have to CONFESS our Sins ?

[dan p]

Hi to all , and Col 2:13 reads , And you , being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh , hath quickened together with Him , having FORGIVEN YOU ALL TREPASSES .

In John 19:30 , Jesus said " it is finished " and this is in the Greek Perfect Tense .

The Perfect Tense means Past action with continuing results .

It means that Jesus will not have to go back on the cross to die for any one sins from now on , and action only done ONCE .

He died for sins , PAST , PRESENT and FUTURE .

Whay say you ?

[ChaosBorders]

Hi to all , and Col 2:13 reads , And you , being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh , hath quickened together with Him , having FORGIVEN YOU ALL TREPASSES .

In John 19:30 , Jesus said " it is finished " and this is in the Greek Perfect Tense .

The Perfect Tense means Past action with continuing results .

It means that Jesus will not have to go back on the cross to die for any one sins from now on , and action only done ONCE .

He died for sins , PAST , PRESENT and FUTURE .

Whay say you ?

Sounds like Universal Reconciliation or even Apocatastasis

Supported by such as:
1 Corinthians 15:28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

[SpiritQuickens]

Hi to all , and Col 2:13 reads , And you , being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh , hath quickened together with Him , having FORGIVEN YOU ALL TREPASSES .

In John 19:30 , Jesus said " it is finished " and this is in the Greek Perfect Tense .

The Perfect Tense means Past action with continuing results .

It means that Jesus will not have to go back on the cross to die for any one sins from now on , and action only done ONCE .

He died for sins , PAST , PRESENT and FUTURE .

Whay say you ?

Sounds like Universal Reconciliation or even Apocatastasis

Supported by such as:
1 Corinthians 15:28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

He died for the sins of the elect. These passages are not teaching universalism. It's certainly not apocatastasis. His death is of no avail for angels (Heb. 2:16).

[SpiritQuickens]

Hi to all , and Col 2:13 reads , And you , being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh , hath quickened together with Him , having FORGIVEN YOU ALL TREPASSES .

In John 19:30 , Jesus said " it is finished " and this is in the Greek Perfect Tense .

The Perfect Tense means Past action with continuing results .

It means that Jesus will not have to go back on the cross to die for any one sins from now on , and action only done ONCE .

He died for sins , PAST , PRESENT and FUTURE .

Whay say you ?

It's a good question. My understanding of passages like 1 John 1:9 and James 5:15, which seem at first glance to imply a lack of complete forgiveness of those who are truly saved, is that they're speaking of reconciliation in the sense of having experiential peace with God, and maintenance of that already (and irrevocably) right status with God.

[ChaosBorders]

Hi to all , and Col 2:13 reads , And you , being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh , hath quickened together with Him , having FORGIVEN YOU ALL TREPASSES .

In John 19:30 , Jesus said " it is finished " and this is in the Greek Perfect Tense .

The Perfect Tense means Past action with continuing results .

It means that Jesus will not have to go back on the cross to die for any one sins from now on , and action only done ONCE .

He died for sins , PAST , PRESENT and FUTURE .

Whay say you ?

Sounds like Universal Reconciliation or even Apocatastasis

Supported by such as:
1 Corinthians 15:28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

He died for the sins of the elect. These passages are not teaching universalism. It's certainly not apocatastasis. His death is of no avail for angels (Heb. 2:16).

Fair enough on the angels, and even elect from a technical standpoint, though unless someone is omniscient you cannot know who is actually among the elect (thus it could well be everyone in due time).

[SpiritQuickens]

Hi to all , and Col 2:13 reads , And you , being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh , hath quickened together with Him , having FORGIVEN YOU ALL TREPASSES .

In John 19:30 , Jesus said " it is finished " and this is in the Greek Perfect Tense .

The Perfect Tense means Past action with continuing results .

It means that Jesus will not have to go back on the cross to die for any one sins from now on , and action only done ONCE .

He died for sins , PAST , PRESENT and FUTURE .

Whay say you ?

Sounds like Universal Reconciliation or even Apocatastasis

Supported by such as:
1 Corinthians 15:28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

He died for the sins of the elect. These passages are not teaching universalism. It's certainly not apocatastasis. His death is of no avail for angels (Heb. 2:16).

Fair enough on the angels, and even elect from a technical standpoint, though unless someone is omniscient you cannot know who is actually among the elect (thus it could well be everyone in due time).

The non-elect are vessels of wrath (Rom. 9:21-23) whose punishment is eternal (Rev. 14:10). The passages you're referring to have to be taken in context. Paul is writing specifically to the church in Corinth. "all" doesn't mean "every single person in the world ever." If I'm a teacher and I stand up in front of the classroom and say, "is everyone here?", I'm not asking "is everyone who's ever existed in the whole world here?" I take it for granted that my audience knows that my "everyone" is restricted in its universality, and its relevance is narrower in scope, in light of the context.

[ChaosBorders]

Hi to all , and Col 2:13 reads , And you , being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh , hath quickened together with Him , having FORGIVEN YOU ALL TREPASSES .

In John 19:30 , Jesus said " it is finished " and this is in the Greek Perfect Tense .

The Perfect Tense means Past action with continuing results .

It means that Jesus will not have to go back on the cross to die for any one sins from now on , and action only done ONCE .

He died for sins , PAST , PRESENT and FUTURE .

Whay say you ?

Sounds like Universal Reconciliation or even Apocatastasis

Supported by such as:
1 Corinthians 15:28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

He died for the sins of the elect. These passages are not teaching universalism. It's certainly not apocatastasis. His death is of no avail for angels (Heb. 2:16).

Fair enough on the angels, and even elect from a technical standpoint, though unless someone is omniscient you cannot know who is actually among the elect (thus it could well be everyone in due time).

The non-elect are vessels of wrath (Rom. 9:21-23) whose punishment is eternal (Rev. 14:10). The passages you're referring to have to be taken in context. Paul is writing specifically to the church in Corinth. "all" doesn't mean "every single person in the world ever." If I'm a teacher and I stand up in front of the classroom and say, "is everyone here?", I'm not asking "is everyone who's ever existed in the whole world here?" I take it for granted that my audience knows that my "everyone" is restricted in its universality, and its relevance is narrower in scope, in light of the context.

1 Corinthians 15

20But Christ has indeed been raised from the dead, the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. 21For since death came through a man, the resurrection of the dead comes also through a man. 22For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive. 23But each in his own turn: Christ, the firstfruits; then, when he comes, those who belong to him. 24Then the end will come, when he hands over the kingdom to God the Father after he has destroyed all dominion, authority and power. 25For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27For he "has put everything under his feet."[c] Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

Pay especial attention to verse 22. It was not just the people in Corinth who died in Adam, it was everyone. Why should it be assumed that it isn't everyone being made alive in Christ? How does one destroy death if people are being sentenced to an eternal second death?

And if your counter is revelations, you should consider this is the same book that says "Then the stars of the sky fell to the earth" (Revelation 6:13). A third, in fact: "third of the stars out of the sky and flung them to the earth" (Revelation 12:4). Given the earth was not incinerated by trillions of balls of hydrogen descending upon it, I think it can be fairly safe to assume the statements made in revelation may be considered symbolic.

[dan p]

Hi to all , and Col 2:13 reads , And you , being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh , hath quickened together with Him , having FORGIVEN YOU ALL TREPASSES .

In John 19:30 , Jesus said " it is finished " and this is in the Greek Perfect Tense .

The Perfect Tense means Past action with continuing results .

It means that Jesus will not have to go back on the cross to die for any one sins from now on , and action only done ONCE .

He died for sins , PAST , PRESENT and FUTURE .

Whay say you ?

Sounds like Universal Reconciliation or even Apocatastasis

Supported by such as:
1 Corinthians 15:28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

He died for the sins of the elect. These passages are not teaching universalism. It's certainly not apocatastasis. His death is of no avail for angels (Heb. 2:16).

Fair enough on the angels, and even elect from a technical standpoint, though unless someone is omniscient you cannot know who is actually among the elect (thus it could well be everyone in due time).[/quote


Hi , and I can say without a doubt that I do not believe in Universal Reconciliation .
They , use a verse like Col 1:20 , as their PROOF text .

[ChaosBorders]

Hi to all , and Col 2:13 reads , And you , being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh , hath quickened together with Him , having FORGIVEN YOU ALL TREPASSES .

In John 19:30 , Jesus said " it is finished " and this is in the Greek Perfect Tense .

The Perfect Tense means Past action with continuing results .

It means that Jesus will not have to go back on the cross to die for any one sins from now on , and action only done ONCE .

He died for sins , PAST , PRESENT and FUTURE .

Whay say you ?

Sounds like Universal Reconciliation or even Apocatastasis

Supported by such as:
1 Corinthians 15:28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

He died for the sins of the elect. These passages are not teaching universalism. It's certainly not apocatastasis. His death is of no avail for angels (Heb. 2:16).

Fair enough on the angels, and even elect from a technical standpoint, though unless someone is omniscient you cannot know who is actually among the elect (thus it could well be everyone in due time).[/quote


Hi , and I can say without a doubt that I do not believe in Universal Reconciliation .
They , use a verse like Col 1:20 , as their PROOF text .

Actually, though Apocatastasis may use it as a 'proof' text (in the same way those who believe in an eternal punishment use Revelations 14:11 as their 'proof' text), universal reconciliation can also be supported by:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_ ... al_support:

Jesus' prophecy that he will "draw all men" to himself (John 12:32)
Jesus' teaching that God is "Our Father in heaven" (Matthew 6:9)
Jesus' teaching that all things will be renewed. (Matthew 19:28)
Jesus' teaching that the unforgiving servant will be turned "over to the jailers to be tortured, until he should pay back all he owed." (Matthew 18:34)
Jesus' statement that human beings are "gods" (John 10:34, quoting Psalm 82:6)
Paul's teaching that human beings are God's "offspring" (Acts 17:28)
Paul's teaching that there is "one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all" (Ephesians 4:6)
Paul's teaching that "from [God] and through him and to him are all things" (Romans 11:36)
Paul's prophecy that "as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive" (1 Corinthians 15:22)
Paul's teaching that "just as the result of one trespass [by Adam] was condemnation for all men, so also the result of one act of righteousness [by Christ] was justification that brings life for all men. ... through the obedience of the one man the many will be made righteous" (Romans 5:18-19)
Paul's teaching that "God was pleased (...)to reconcile to himself all things, whether things on earth or things in heaven, by making peace through his blood, shed on the cross" (Colossians 1:19-20)
Paul's statement that God "is the Saviour of all men, specially of them that believe." (1 Timothy 4:10)
Paul's teaching that "God was reconciling the world to himself in Christ, not counting men's sins against them" (2 Corinthians 5:19)
Paul's prophecy that "every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father" (Philippians 2:10-11)
Peter's teaching that Jesus "died for sins once for all" and "went and preached to the spirits in prison who disobeyed long ago" (1 Peter 3:18-20), so that they may "live according to God in regard to the spirit" (1 Peter 4:6)
John's teaching that "[Jesus Christ] is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world" (1 John 2:2)
Old Testament teaching that men and women are created "in the image of God" (Genesis 1:27)
Old Testament teaching that "[God's] anger lasts only a moment" (Psalm 30:5)
Old Testament teaching that "[God] is good; his love endures forever" (Psalm 106:1, 107:1)
Old Testament teaching that "The LORD is good to all; he has compassion on all he has made. / All you have made will praise you, O LORD" (Psalm 145:9-10)

[Slopeshoulder]

Do we have to confess our sins?

1. I'm not sure we have to, but it seems a polite thing to do.

2. It's mentioned in the "lord's prayer" which is presented in the narrative as teaching us how to pray (although I prefer some other ways)

3. Rather than affecting salvation (I have no opinion on that, Paul's engineering- like obsession with the mechanics of the topic is a buzz-kill for the soul IMO), I think of confessing one's sins (lapses) as a ritual and a sacrament, what the Catholics now call reconciliation. A tune up, an at-one-ment. That seems like a worthy use of time if one is Christian.