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It's time for Obama to GO

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I believe Obama is probably the most radical president in our nation's history, aside from Woodrow Wilson. Not only is his policy questionable, but his character and personal actions are troubling

-Why did this president bow to ver 5 world leaders
-Why did this president spend over 20 years at a church where the pastor spwed hate speech about America
-Why did this president place a communist and a mao se tung lover in his white house

many republicans have called this president a "Marxist" "Neocommunist" "Facist" "Socialist" "Extremist" I personally agree with every single one of these, but many call this hate speech

So the question is

1) Are the statements aganist Obama (ie: Marxist, Socialist) justifiable"

2) Can anyone justify the government take over of the banks, auto industry, student loan industry and the healthcare industry.

3) Is the media giving obama a free pass? Any rational person would agree the media was very hard on Palin but not so hard on Obama

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winepusher wrote:I believe Obama is probably the most radical president in our nation's history, aside from Woodrow Wilson. Not only is his policy questionable, but his character and personal actions are troubling

-Why did this president bow to ver 5 world leaders
-Why did this president spend over 20 years at a church where the pastor spwed hate speech about America
-Why did this president place a communist and a mao se tung lover in his white house

many republicans have called this president a "Marxist" "Neocommunist" "Facist" "Socialist" "Extremist" I personally agree with every single one of these, but many call this hate speech

So the question is

1) Are the statements aganist Obama (ie: Marxist, Socialist) justifiable"
No, they are not. They are just plain nuts , driven by the lies of the right.

2) Can anyone justify the government take over of the banks, auto industry, student loan industry and the healthcare industry.
Yes, very much so, When it comes to the banks and auto industry, it was an emergency measure so that the country wouldn't go into a depression worse than
the 1930's. That disaster was due to the mismanagement of the previous administration. Remember, the first part of the bank bailout was done under the Bush administration, and did not include enough safe guards against misuse. If the bank bail did not happen, all 3 auto makers would have gone bankrupt, and it would have effected not only all the workers , but all the companies that supply the automakers with their parts.

As for the health care industry.. it isn't taken over by the government. It appears you have no concept of what the health reform entails.

I will also point out that the government is going to be selling the shares of stock it had when it got involved with Citibank as part of the bailout. It is making about a 24 billion dollar profit from the stock it got in return for the bail out money.

3) Is the media giving obama a free pass? Any rational person would agree the media was very hard on Palin but not so hard on Obama
Since when is Obama getting a free pass?
“What do you think science is? There is nothing magical about science. It is simply a systematic way for carefully and thoroughly observing nature and using consistent logic to evaluate results. So which part of that exactly do you disagree with? Do you disagree with being thorough? Using careful observation? Being systematic? Or using consistent logic?�

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winepusher wrote:I believe Obama is probably the most radical president in our nation's history, aside from Woodrow Wilson. Not only is his policy questionable, but his character and personal actions are troubling

-Why did this president bow to ver 5 world leaders
-Why did this president spend over 20 years at a church where the pastor spwed hate speech about America
-Why did this president place a communist and a mao se tung lover in his white house

many republicans have called this president a "Marxist" "Neocommunist" "Facist" "Socialist" "Extremist" I personally agree with every single one of these, but many call this hate speech
You are entitled to your opinion of course. My opinion is that only someone unfamiliar with standard political science definitions of communism, marxism, etc. would apply them to Obama. Since you apply those terms not because of their actual meaning, but only because you hate Obama, calling them "hate speech" is not so far off the mark.
1) Are the statements aganist Obama (ie: Marxist, Socialist) justifiable"
No. But please, feel free to try (in your own words if possible).
2) Can anyone justify the government take over of the banks, auto industry, student loan industry and the healthcare industry.
Since none of these things actually happened, the question is entirely academic.
3) Is the media giving obama a free pass? Any rational person would agree the media was very hard on Palin but not so hard on Obama
Palin is rather obviously a lightweight, her speeches sound like they were written off the bumper stickers on the cars of the people going to see her. Plus, she's been "palling around" with a fellow traveller in the Alaska secessionist movement, why does she hate America?
"When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist."

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From the OP:
Opie wrote: -Why did this president bow to ver 5 world leaders
Respect?
Opie wrote: -Why did this president spend over 20 years at a church where the pastor spwed hate speech about America
Have you ever been to a church that didn't hate at least one group of Americans / humans?
Opie wrote: -Why did this president place a communist and a mao se tung lover in his white house
Please present this data for examination.
Opie wrote: many republicans have called this president a "Marxist" "Neocommunist" "Facist" "Socialist" "Extremist" I personally agree with every single one of these, but many call this hate speech
When I've seen the terms mentioned on TV, it seemed pretty hateful to me.
Opie wrote: 1) Are the statements aganist Obama (ie: Marxist, Socialist) justifiable"
To those who disagree with his policies, that would be an apparent yes.
Opie wrote: 2) Can anyone justify the government take over of the banks, auto industry, student loan industry and the healthcare industry.
The potential impact to a signficant number of Americans was deemed sufficient enough to act under both Republican and Democratic majorities. I personally think an entity "too big to fail" should not be allowed to get that big to begin with. On the issue of health care I consider it a fundamental right of all legal Americans.
Opie wrote: 3) Is the media giving obama a free pass? Any rational person would agree the media was very hard on Palin but not so hard on Obama
Tune to the Fox network to see if Obama is given a "free pass".

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winepusher wrote:-Why did this president bow to ver 5 world leaders
Why shouldn't he? :shock:
winepusher wrote:-Why did this president spend over 20 years at a church where the pastor spwed hate speech about America
I'd like to see a reference here, please. Also, I agree with Joeyk... does the church of your choice never speak against any group of people? Atheists? Members of other religions? Homosexuals, perhaps? Other?
winepusher wrote:-Why did this president place a communist and a mao se tung lover in his white house
Who are those?
winepusher wrote:many republicans have called this president a "Marxist" "Neocommunist" "Facist" "Socialist" "Extremist" I personally agree with every single one of these, but many call this hate speech
It strikes me as funny how it is automatically considered an insult to call someone a Marxist. Agreeing with the ideas possed by Karl Marx does not equal being a threat to the world.
In any case, if one uses a term with the intention of insulting, it is an insult, regardless of the conventional meaning of the word.
winepusher wrote:1) Are the statements aganist Obama (ie: Marxist, Socialist) justifiable"
No. They are hateful propaganda.
winepusher wrote:2) Can anyone justify the government take over of the banks, auto industry, student loan industry and the healthcare industry.
Whenever that happens I'll decide whether I justify it or not. Banks and auto industries have been saved from bankruptcy by the government. And healthcare needs a radical change in the USA if you ask me.
winepusher wrote:3) Is the media giving obama a free pass? Any rational person would agree the media was very hard on Palin but not so hard on Obama
Call me irrational if you will, but I disagree. I see no free pass whatsoever. Unless by free pass you mean they are not bashing his every move?

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perfessor wrote: Palin is rather obviously a lightweight, her speeches sound like they were written off the bumper stickers on the cars of the people going to see her.
She isn't as slick as Obama, but has more common sense in her little finger than the elitist Obama's whole body. I'll take her accomplishments over Obama's rhetoric anyday. I hope the left keeps minimizing her and the Tea Party movement, it will make their destruction this November more sure.
Plus, she's been "palling around" with a fellow traveller in the Alaska secessionist movement, why does she hate America?
No she hasn't, but Obama has palled around with an unrepentant terrorist, William Ayers.
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winepusher wrote:I believe Obama is probably the most radical president in our nation's history, aside from Woodrow Wilson. Not only is his policy questionable, but his character and personal actions are troubling

-Why did this president bow to ver 5 world leaders
-Why did this president spend over 20 years at a church where the pastor spwed hate speech about America
-Why did this president place a communist and a mao se tung lover in his white house

many republicans have called this president a "Marxist" "Neocommunist" "Facist" "Socialist" "Extremist" I personally agree with every single one of these, but many call this hate speech

So the question is

1) Are the statements aganist Obama (ie: Marxist, Socialist) justifiable"

2) Can anyone justify the government take over of the banks, auto industry, student loan industry and the healthcare industry.

3) Is the media giving obama a free pass? Any rational person would agree the media was very hard on Palin but not so hard on Obama
Let me put this in a way to not offend you.

1) The "statements" in the media are hog spit. They are looking for a story that will capture America's eyes and boost their ratings, so naturally it's going to be either twisted or wrong, like Dan Rather's take on George W. Bush.

2) The government needed to take over the banks, the auto industry, and the student loan industry because it was going to collapse. American International Group (AIG), if fallen, would have put us all into a depression so fierce that I doubt we would have ever caught up in our lifetime without a war. The laissez-faire direction under George W. Bush would have had us as a totally capitalistic nation. We have proven once and once again that we need a mixed economy with social programs, capitalistic tendencies, and other economic strategies to prosper.

3) Like I said in Answer 1, the media is going to look for any story that gets them ratings. Obama has made some incredible mistakes, I admit, but he's an effective public speaker and he presents himself in a manner that draws him away from that spotlight. Sarah Palin has very poor stage presentation, save for her physical appearance. She is asking to be burned by the media. She's a hypocrite in every sense of the word. Not to mention that she claims to be a Christian, but there's a passage that states that the woman should be home raising her child, rather than posting a political agenda.

-Why did this president bow to ver 5 world leaders
-Why did this president spend over 20 years at a church where the pastor spwed hate speech about America
-Why did this president place a communist and a mao se tung lover in his white house

These are crap. 1. he was trying to be respectful, 2. who gives a crap where he attends church. it doesn't necessarily reflect his values, 3. again, who gives a crap? the white house is just a place of business, not some holy shrine.

WinePusher

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Lucia wrote:
winepusher wrote:-Why did this president bow to ver 5 world leaders
Why shouldn't he? :shock:
winepusher wrote:-Why did this president spend over 20 years at a church where the pastor spwed hate speech about America
I'd like to see a reference here, please. Also, I agree with Joeyk... does the church of your choice never speak against any group of people? Atheists? Members of other religions? Homosexuals, perhaps? Other?
winepusher wrote:-Why did this president place a communist and a mao se tung lover in his white house
Who are those?
winepusher wrote:many republicans have called this president a "Marxist" "Neocommunist" "Facist" "Socialist" "Extremist" I personally agree with every single one of these, but many call this hate speech
It strikes me as funny how it is automatically considered an insult to call someone a Marxist. Agreeing with the ideas possed by Karl Marx does not equal being a threat to the world.
In any case, if one uses a term with the intention of insulting, it is an insult, regardless of the conventional meaning of the word.
winepusher wrote:1) Are the statements aganist Obama (ie: Marxist, Socialist) justifiable"
No. They are hateful propaganda.
winepusher wrote:2) Can anyone justify the government take over of the banks, auto industry, student loan industry and the healthcare industry.
Whenever that happens I'll decide whether I justify it or not. Banks and auto industries have been saved from bankruptcy by the government. And healthcare needs a radical change in the USA if you ask me.
winepusher wrote:3) Is the media giving obama a free pass? Any rational person would agree the media was very hard on Palin but not so hard on Obama
Call me irrational if you will, but I disagree. I see no free pass whatsoever. Unless by free pass you mean they are not bashing his every move?
because it isn't customary for the united state president to bow to other world leaders. first of all, I believe the Japanese leader he bowed to saw it somewhat disrespectful. and as much as i dislike obama, he isn't a subordinate to other world leaders.

Communications Director: Anita Dunn- Mao Se Tung Lover
Green Jobs Czar: Van Jones- Communist, 9/11 Birther

Secondly, is it the government's job to save failing industries. Capitialism is the ability to suceed or fail on your own, any government intervention is nothing short of socialism.

WinePusher

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joeyknuccione wrote:From the OP:
Opie wrote: -Why did this president bow to ver 5 world leaders
Respect?
Opie wrote: -Why did this president spend over 20 years at a church where the pastor spwed hate speech about America
Have you ever been to a church that didn't hate at least one group of Americans / humans?
Opie wrote: -Why did this president place a communist and a mao se tung lover in his white house
Please present this data for examination.
Opie wrote: many republicans have called this president a "Marxist" "Neocommunist" "Facist" "Socialist" "Extremist" I personally agree with every single one of these, but many call this hate speech
When I've seen the terms mentioned on TV, it seemed pretty hateful to me.
Opie wrote: 1) Are the statements aganist Obama (ie: Marxist, Socialist) justifiable"
To those who disagree with his policies, that would be an apparent yes.
Opie wrote: 2) Can anyone justify the government take over of the banks, auto industry, student loan industry and the healthcare industry.
The potential impact to a signficant number of Americans was deemed sufficient enough to act under both Republican and Democratic majorities. I personally think an entity "too big to fail" should not be allowed to get that big to begin with. On the issue of health care I consider it a fundamental right of all legal Americans.
Opie wrote: 3) Is the media giving obama a free pass? Any rational person would agree the media was very hard on Palin but not so hard on Obama
Tune to the Fox network to see if Obama is given a "free pass".
Anita Dunn-Mao Se Tung Lover
Van Jones- Communist

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because it isn't customary for the united state president to bow to other world leaders. first of all, I believe the Japanese leader he bowed to saw it somewhat disrespectful. and as much as i dislike obama, he isn't a subordinate to other world leaders.

Communications Director: Anita Dunn- Mao Se Tung Lover
Green Jobs Czar: Van Jones- Communist, 9/11 Birther

Secondly, is it the government's job to save failing industries. Capitialism is the ability to suceed or fail on your own, any government intervention is nothing short of socialism.
We aren't a fully capitalistic nation. We use social programs like Social Security and Unemployment to help those that have been through rough times to get back on their feet.

If these companies, like AIG, had fallen, everyone would have been affected, so it would be in the government's best interest to help the nation, because ideally that's what they're there to do

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