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What's good for the Nazi works for a jihadi

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Op-ed in today's Washington Times
Marvin Hier and Abraham Cooper wrote:

What's good for the Nazi works for a jihadi

President Obama was right when he declared after convening the post mortem on the Detroit debacle that "we have to do better." The simple fact is that $42 billion later, Americans do not feel much safer getting on an airplane than they did eight years ago. Despite the post- Sept. 11 upgrades in security, despite the long lines, the inconveniences of removing shoes and belts and coming soon to an airport near you - full body scans - we are not reassured that the next disaster is not lurking just around the corner. People are concerned we aren't doing enough to fight the enemy and we're still not sure we've fully identified the enemy.

The administration and its Republican critics are still arguing whether Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan's Ft. Hood massacre constitutes an act of terrorism. That dispute is reflected in a larger debate of whether we are still in a "war against terror" and whether individuals like Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab should be treated as enemy combatants or read their Miranda Rights as common criminals.

But however that debate shakes out, there is an important move, that would cost little but could strike a blow against extremism and make our skies a little safer: The president admitted that the current watch list is inadequate. But America needs to immediately expand its terrorist watch list. Consider this fact: While the United States has a database of 500,000 individuals implicated in criminal activity, only 1,700 of those names are on the terrorist watch list banning entry into the United States. Compare that to the watch list developed by the U.S. Justice Department of suspected Nazi war criminals. Developed in the 1980s, 40,000 individuals were initially listed, but later the list expanded beyond 70,000 when the Office of Special Investigations on Nazi War Crimes (OSI) included the entire roster of the Nazi SS - and all others who belonged to groups that abetted genocide.

Most of those aging genociders are in their 80s or 90s today and the hunt for Nazi war criminals will soon reach its biological solution. But not so Islamist terrorism - only in its genesis - which is the scourge of all humanity at the dawn of the new decade. It is inconceivable that in fighting the existential threat of terrorism, that we can be operating with a list of only 1,700 people to bar from entering the United States. To better protect the flying public and to strike a blow against extremists who today regularly indescriminantly slaughter fellow Muslims, the Department of Homeland Security should take a page from the Nazi watch list and immediately add those who openly support and abet terrorism. In practical terms, it means immediately listing the many thousands of names of all known members and enablers of Hezbollah, Islamic Jihad, Hamas, Indonesia's Jemmah Islamiyah and other terror groups listed by the State Department and the European Union.

And there are others who never fired a bullet, or strapped themselves to a ticking bomb, who nevertheless deserve to be publicly placed on America's terror watch list. They include Al Jazeera's Sheik Yusuf Qaradawi, whose online fatwa insists that Palestinian women have the right to attain martyrdom by blowing themselves up amidst Israelis. There is Omar Bakri Muhammad, who once claimed to be a recruiter for al Qaeda and organized the "Magnificent 19" (Sept. 11 bombers) in London. Jordan's Dr. Ibrahim Zayd Al-Kilani, who said this: "killing a transgressing American soldier" is an obligation and a kind of jihad. There are the followers of Indonesia's notorious Abu Bakar Bashir, Jamaica's Abdullah el-Faisel, and Libyan-born Abu Yaha al- Libi, who defends the "legitimacy" of violent jihad as a "religious obligation." And of course, Yemen's favorite American Anwar al-Awlaki who served as spiritual mentor and validator to Ft. Hood's Maj. Hasan and the Northwest Airlines terrorist.

We have no doubts that a simple e-mail to all U.S. embassies by Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton would flush out many more terror enablers. To be sure, errors will be made and anyone who stands accused of such activity must be given recourse to clear their names. It may also be true that not everyone who belongs to a terrorist group will become a suicide bomber, but let them suffer the consequences - why should Americans have to take that risk?

By compiling a true terror watch list, the United States and allies will reassure the shaken flying public that no one committed to terrorism against innocent civilians is aboard their flight. Such a policy will also help strengthen the hand of moderates across the Arab and Muslim world struggling against these extremists. And by providing the guardians of our borders with accurate and timely information about all those who promote and deploy terrorism against our nation, we can help co-opt the need to turn to blanket racial and ethnic profiling.

The time to act is now.


Rabbi Marvin Hier is the founder and dean of the Simon Wiesenthal Center. Rabbi Abraham Cooper is associate dean of the Center.

It's hard to see how anyone of any religion or any political persuasion could disagree with this.

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To the extreme left, its always America's fault. Jihad was around long before the USA. What triggers it is the existance of us 'infidels'. Muhammad said, "I was ordered to fight all men until they say, 'There is no god but Allah.' This is consistent with the Koran (9:5) 'Slay the idolators whereever ye find them, and take them captive, and beseige them, and prepare for them each ambush."
On one hand the extreme right objects to any reference to history further back than last week as irrelevant and obsolete, and on the other they try to demonize half the planet's population by quoting from an ancient religious tome. The Bible is chockablock full of calls to "jihad" (i.e.,Joshua)against infidels, to exterminate them and even their livestock. Most of the world's Jews and Christians no longer take this as applying to our time, but they will rightfully fight invaders of their nations. Just so the world's Muslim moderates, who are by far the majority. There are some, such as murderous groups of illegal settlers in Occupied Palestine, that still believe it is their duty to Conquer the "Holy Land," but they are an extreme minority. However, if Israel were attacked and threatened with military defeat, they are prepared to set off their nuclear "suicide bombs." This is allegedly called the "Samson Plan" or something similar.
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Unit"ed States. Their cumulative effect guarantees
that the U.S. will cease to resemble the country
outlined in the Constitution of 1787. First, there
will be a state of perpetual war, leading to more
terrorism against Americans wherever they may be and a
spreading reliance on nuclear weapons among smaller
nations as they try to ward off the imperial
juggernaut. Second is a loss of democracy and
Constitutional rights as the presidency eclipses
Congress and is itself transformed from a co-equal
'executive branch' of government into a military
junta. Third is the replacement of truth by
propaganda, disinformation, and the glorification of
war, power, and the military legions. Lastly, there is
bankruptcy, as the United States pours its economic
resources into ever more grandiose military projects
and shortchanges the education, health, and safety of
its citizens."
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DeBunkem wrote: On one hand the extreme right objects to any reference to history further back than last week as irrelevant and obsolete,
Huh?
and on the other they try to demonize half the planet's population by quoting from an ancient religious tome. The Bible is chockablock full of calls to "jihad" (i.e.,Joshua)against infidels, to exterminate them and even their livestock. Most of the world's Jews and Christians no longer take this as applying to our time, but they will rightfully fight invaders of their nations.
The Old Testament passages you refer to applied to the theocracy of Israel, not to Christans today, and were in reference to the land God gave Israel. God told Jonah to go to Ninevah and preach salvation to them, not go there and kill them because they were not believers.
Just so the world's Muslim moderates, who are by far the majority.
Yeah, I noticed a whole 150 of them protesting Muslim crimes in Detroit recently, out of 170,000 Muslims in that area.

BTW, I'm still waiting for an answer about whether all the Democrats above were lying about WMDs.
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Yeah, I noticed a whole 150 of them protesting Muslim crimes in Detroit recently, out of 170,000 Muslims in that area.

BTW, I'm still waiting for an answer about whether all the Democrats above were lying about WMDs.
So you consider Black Muslim ex-felons to be a fair representation of all Muslims living in the US? Are snake handling and poison-drinking W. Virginian Christians, who are only acting from a text in Mark, a fair representation of all US Xtians?

Democrats? Huh? This a non-sequiter. Keep waiting until you explain. All CongressCritters have to swear fealty to corporate and AIPAC interests. Only a few do not and are soon culled, i.e., Cynthia McKinney and Paul Wellstone. No proof that his and John Kennedy's crashes were not accidental...just a coincidence that Progressive Democrats crash in small planes.

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DeBunkem wrote:Are snake handling and poison-drinking W. Virginian Christians, who are only acting from a text in Mark, a fair representation of all US Xtians?
I've never met any, but if they exist at least they're not harming anyone else, unlike the worldwide plague of Islamofascists.
Democrats? Huh? This a non-sequiter. Keep waiting until you explain. All CongressCritters have to swear fealty to corporate and AIPAC interests. Only a few do not and are soon culled, i.e., Cynthia McKinney and Paul Wellstone. No proof that his and John Kennedy's crashes were not accidental...just a coincidence that Progressive Democrats crash in small planes.
Yes. See Sen. H. John Heinz III(R):

Heinz and six other people were killed on April 4, 1991, when a Bell 412 helicopter collided with the Senator's Piper Aerostar plane over Merion Elementary School in Lower Merion Township, Pennsylvania. All aboard the two aircraft and two first-grade girls playing outside the school were killed. The helicopter had been dispatched to check out a problem with the landing gear of Heinz's plane. While moving in for a closer look, the helicopter's rotor blades struck the bottom of the plane, causing both aircraft to lose control and crash.

Senator Heinz was interred in the Heinz family mausoleum in Homewood Cemetery, located in the Squirrel Hill neighborhood of Pittsburgh.
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I've never met any, but if they exist at least they're not harming anyone else, unlike the worldwide plague of Islamofascists.
Ever met any actual Muslims? Unless you genuflected and ran away in terror, you would have probably found them very polite and hospitable people who would have invited you into their house for coffee or somesuch pleasantry. They would not try to convert you or burst out of the closet with a scimitar to behead you for Allah. I have personally experienced this here, as have many foreigners even in such hotspots as Gaza. If you don't call them insulting names and apply the Golden Rule, they would eventually consider you part of the family. In the present atmosphere of Islamophobia, they have more reason to fear for their own safety here than you do.

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DeBunkem wrote:
I've never met any, but if they exist at least they're not harming anyone else, unlike the worldwide plague of Islamofascists.
Ever met any actual Muslims? Unless you genuflected and ran away in terror, you would have probably found them very polite and hospitable people who would have invited you into their house for coffee or somesuch pleasantry. They would not try to convert you or burst out of the closet with a scimitar to behead you for Allah. I have personally experienced this here, as have many foreigners even in such hotspots as Gaza. If you don't call them insulting names and apply the Golden Rule, they would eventually consider you part of the family. In the present atmosphere of Islamophobia, they have more reason to fear for their own safety here than you do.
What if they found out you were Jewish? I was in Morrocco last fall. Some were polite and hospitable, at least the ones trying to sell you something. I'm sure there were polite, hospitable people in Nazi Germany, does that mean Hitler wasn't a threat?
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East of Eden wrote:
DeBunkem wrote:
I've never met any, but if they exist at least they're not harming anyone else, unlike the worldwide plague of Islamofascists.
Ever met any actual Muslims? Unless you genuflected and ran away in terror, you would have probably found them very polite and hospitable people who would have invited you into their house for coffee or somesuch pleasantry. They would not try to convert you or burst out of the closet with a scimitar to behead you for Allah. I have personally experienced this here, as have many foreigners even in such hotspots as Gaza. If you don't call them insulting names and apply the Golden Rule, they would eventually consider you part of the family. In the present atmosphere of Islamophobia, they have more reason to fear for their own safety here than you do.
What if they found out you were Jewish? I was in Morrocco last fall. Some were polite and hospitable, at least the ones trying to sell you something. I'm sure there were polite, hospitable people in Nazi Germany, does that mean Hitler wasn't a threat?
I mean did you actually meet and speak with an everyday working family and try to set aside your prejudice long enough to see they are just people? As for Jews, they lived together peacefully with Arabs and other Muslims for centuries. Still do in non-Occupied countries. When I was young, the saying was that the blacks on the other side of the tracks of my Virginia town were all killers and were armed to the teeth. If i had just ignored the hype and tried to make friends with some, I would have discovered the same.

Do you want to end up joining a lynch mob? Unbridled hate leads to that, sooner or later. We should know that by now, considering the Jim Crow Era here.

Another bad Hitler analogy. Some South Pacific people are cannibals. Are all S. Pacific people inclined to cannibalism?

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DeBunkem wrote: I mean did you actually meet and speak with an everyday working family and try to set aside your prejudice long enough to see they are just people?
And those who knew the Ft. Hood killer said he was a nice polite young man before his criminal acts. So what? I knew a very nice lady (even gave our son a stuffed animal for Christmas one year) when I lived in Chicago who was the sister in law of the long time head of the Chicago mob. This man was given the Mafia oath personally by Al Capone, and was involved in many murders and other crimes. My point is, this crime family lady's niceness didn't negate the threat of the Chicago mob.
As for Jews, they lived together peacefully with Arabs and other Muslims for centuries. Still do in non-Occupied countries.
Jews have been expelled from many Arab countries. The Palestinians talk about the right of return, what about the right of return of these Jews to their former Arab homes?
When I was young, the saying was that the blacks on the other side of the tracks of my Virginia town were all killers and were armed to the teeth.
Nice try, but blacks weren't involved in suicide bombings or taking down NYC skyscrapers.
If i had just ignored the hype and tried to make friends with some, I would have discovered the same.

Do you want to end up joining a lynch mob? Unbridled hate leads to that, sooner or later. We should know that by now, considering the Jim Crow Era here.

Another bad Hitler analogy. Some South Pacific people are cannibals. Are all S. Pacific people inclined to cannibalism?
From the Syrian Wafa Sultan's book on Islam, "The God Who Hates":

I once stopped for an oil change at an auto repair shop in Long Beach, CA. The owner was a young Palestinian, and most of his workers were Arabic-speaking youngsters. While I was waiting my turn a car pulled up and a young man of Middle Eastern aspect alighted and tossed out a greeting in Arabic, to which the garage owner replied indignantly, "Why are you late? We've been waiting for y ou since morning?"

The young man replied, "I got my American citizenship this morning, and I've just got back from taking the oath of allegiance."

I looked at him and said in Arabic, "Congratulations!"

He gave me a contemptuous look and asked, "What are you congratulating me for? American citizenship is worth less than the sole of this shoe," and he pointed to his foot.

I could not disguise my annoyance, and told him, "But you've just pledged your allegiance to this country and chosen to take its citizenship of your own free will!"

He asked me in bewilderment, "Are you a Muslim, sister?"

Her conclusion is that our problems aren't a few isolated terrorists, but Islam itself, and that no one can be a true Muslim and a true American simultaneously. She describes Islam not as a religion but as a political doctrine that imposes itself by force. This was true when Islam originally spread, it wasn't that people suddenly converted to Islam en masse, it was imposed by force. In many of the countries Islam overran, as late as 250 year later only 50% of the conquered people were Muslim.

Wafa Sultan is the courageous lady who verbally stood up to the thug Mullah on this video, and got many death threats for her trouble:
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East of Eden wrote:
DeBunkem wrote: I mean did you actually meet and speak with an everyday working family and try to set aside your prejudice long enough to see they are just people?
And those who knew the Ft. Hood killer said he was a nice polite young man before his criminal acts. So what? I knew a very nice lady (even gave our son a stuffed animal for Christmas one year) when I lived in Chicago who was the sister in law of the long time head of the Chicago mob. This man was given the Mafia oath personally by Al Capone, and was involved in many murders and other crimes. My point is, this crime family lady's niceness didn't negate the threat of the Chicago mob.
As for Jews, they lived together peacefully with Arabs and other Muslims for centuries. Still do in non-Occupied countries.
Jews have been expelled from many Arab countries. The Palestinians talk about the right of return, what about the right of return of these Jews to their former Arab homes?
When I was young, the saying was that the blacks on the other side of the tracks of my Virginia town were all killers and were armed to the teeth.
Nice try, but blacks weren't involved in suicide bombings or taking down NYC skyscrapers.
If i had just ignored the hype and tried to make friends with some, I would have discovered the same.

Do you want to end up joining a lynch mob? Unbridled hate leads to that, sooner or later. We should know that by now, considering the Jim Crow Era here.

Another bad Hitler analogy. Some South Pacific people are cannibals. Are all S. Pacific people inclined to cannibalism?
From the Syrian Wafa Sultan's book on Islam, "The God Who Hates":

I once stopped for an oil change at an auto repair shop in Long Beach, CA. The owner was a young Palestinian, and most of his workers were Arabic-speaking youngsters. While I was waiting my turn a car pulled up and a young man of Middle Eastern aspect alighted and tossed out a greeting in Arabic, to which the garage owner replied indignantly, "Why are you late? We've been waiting for y ou since morning?"

The young man replied, "I got my American citizenship this morning, and I've just got back from taking the oath of allegiance."

I looked at him and said in Arabic, "Congratulations!"

He gave me a contemptuous look and asked, "What are you congratulating me for? American citizenship is worth less than the sole of this shoe," and he pointed to his foot.

I could not disguise my annoyance, and told him, "But you've just pledged your allegiance to this country and chosen to take its citizenship of your own free will!"

He asked me in bewilderment, "Are you a Muslim, sister?"

Her conclusion is that our problems aren't a few isolated terrorists, but Islam itself, and that no one can be a true Muslim and a true American simultaneously. She describes Islam not as a religion but as a political doctrine that imposes itself by force. This was true when Islam originally spread, it wasn't that people suddenly converted to Islam en masse, it was imposed by force. In many of the countries Islam overran, as late as 250 year later only 50% of the conquered people were Muslim.

Wafa Sultan is the courageous lady who verbally stood up to the thug Mullah on this video, and got many death threats for her trouble:
:yapyap:

So you haven't met and interacted with everyday people who happened to be Muslim, as I suspected. Instead you quote some hearsay hate hype. Next you and the ZioCons will be making the same claims about atheists, in fact Bush already has (atheists aren't really Americans). I think i've pretty well let you hang yourself here with your own lynch rope. Thanks!

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They want us to be afraid, to hate, so we will rally
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DeBunkem wrote:
East of Eden wrote:
DeBunkem wrote: I mean did you actually meet and speak with an everyday working family and try to set aside your prejudice long enough to see they are just people?
And those who knew the Ft. Hood killer said he was a nice polite young man before his criminal acts. So what? I knew a very nice lady (even gave our son a stuffed animal for Christmas one year) when I lived in Chicago who was the sister in law of the long time head of the Chicago mob. This man was given the Mafia oath personally by Al Capone, and was involved in many murders and other crimes. My point is, this crime family lady's niceness didn't negate the threat of the Chicago mob.
As for Jews, they lived together peacefully with Arabs and other Muslims for centuries. Still do in non-Occupied countries.
Jews have been expelled from many Arab countries. The Palestinians talk about the right of return, what about the right of return of these Jews to their former Arab homes?
When I was young, the saying was that the blacks on the other side of the tracks of my Virginia town were all killers and were armed to the teeth.
Nice try, but blacks weren't involved in suicide bombings or taking down NYC skyscrapers.
If i had just ignored the hype and tried to make friends with some, I would have discovered the same.

Do you want to end up joining a lynch mob? Unbridled hate leads to that, sooner or later. We should know that by now, considering the Jim Crow Era here.

Another bad Hitler analogy. Some South Pacific people are cannibals. Are all S. Pacific people inclined to cannibalism?
From the Syrian Wafa Sultan's book on Islam, "The God Who Hates":

I once stopped for an oil change at an auto repair shop in Long Beach, CA. The owner was a young Palestinian, and most of his workers were Arabic-speaking youngsters. While I was waiting my turn a car pulled up and a young man of Middle Eastern aspect alighted and tossed out a greeting in Arabic, to which the garage owner replied indignantly, "Why are you late? We've been waiting for y ou since morning?"

The young man replied, "I got my American citizenship this morning, and I've just got back from taking the oath of allegiance."

I looked at him and said in Arabic, "Congratulations!"

He gave me a contemptuous look and asked, "What are you congratulating me for? American citizenship is worth less than the sole of this shoe," and he pointed to his foot.

I could not disguise my annoyance, and told him, "But you've just pledged your allegiance to this country and chosen to take its citizenship of your own free will!"

He asked me in bewilderment, "Are you a Muslim, sister?"

Her conclusion is that our problems aren't a few isolated terrorists, but Islam itself, and that no one can be a true Muslim and a true American simultaneously. She describes Islam not as a religion but as a political doctrine that imposes itself by force. This was true when Islam originally spread, it wasn't that people suddenly converted to Islam en masse, it was imposed by force. In many of the countries Islam overran, as late as 250 year later only 50% of the conquered people were Muslim.

Wafa Sultan is the courageous lady who verbally stood up to the thug Mullah on this video, and got many death threats for her trouble:
:yapyap:

So you haven't met and interacted with everyday people who happened to be Muslim, as I suspected.
Wrong again, I've known plenty of them.
Instead you quote some hearsay hate hype.
Ms. Sultan has way more experience with Islam than you. Interesting how you resort to name-calling when you run out of facts.
Next you and the ZioCons will be making the same claims about atheists, in fact Bush already has (atheists aren't really Americans).
Cite, or did you just make that up? Maybe you were thinking of the Founders:

John Jay was one of the authors of the Federalist Papers, and was appointed first Chief Justice of the U.S. Supreme Court by President Washington. He accurately summed up the meaning of God's commandments:

Providence has given to our people the choice of their rulers, and it is the duty as well as the privilege and interest of our Christian nation to select and prefer Christians for their rulers."

James Madison, declared in 1785:

"Before any man can be considered as a member of Civil Society, he must be considered as a subject of the Governour of the Universe. . . ."
"In order to rally people, governments need enemies.
They want us to be afraid, to hate, so we will rally
behind them. And if they do not have a real enemy,
they will invent one in order to mobilize us.": Thich
Nhat Hanh - Vietnamese monk, activist and writer.
You certainly have an enemy you hate, the only problem is, it's your own country. That would explain your excuses made for radical Islam.
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