Opposition to the spread of Islam in Europe..

[VermilionUK]

Considering recent events in Europe, including the Swiss minaret ban, and anti-Islam protests in London, it seems there is growing opposition to the spread of Islam.

In another thread, the Swiss minaret ban was referred to as "a case of religious discrimination and racism"

Question for debate/discussion: is the opposition to the spread of Islam "a case of religious discrimination and racism", or is it the growing fear of extremist Muslims which is making non-muslims fearful of Islam?

[TrueReligion]

Considering recent events in Europe, including the Swiss minaret ban, and anti-Islam protests in London, it seems there is growing opposition to the spread of Islam.

In another thread, the Swiss minaret ban was referred to as "a case of religious discrimination and racism"

Question for debate/discussion: is the opposition to the spread of Islam "a case of religious discrimination and racism", or is it the growing fear of extremist Muslims which is making non-muslims fearful of Islam?

Can you provide your valuable comments, why Islam is most acceped religion in West n Europe?

Should I post the links for the evidence? I think you know well in detail right?

[VermilionUK]

Can you provide your valuable comments, why Islam is most acceped religion in West n Europe?

Nowhere in the OP does it state that Islam is the most accepted religion in "west n europe", so the question "why Islam is most acceped religion in West n Europe?" has no purpose here.

Should I post the links for the evidence? I think you know well in detail right?

Evidence for what? Evidence for "why Islam is most acceped religion in West n Europe?"

Can you explain what you are referring to? Because, from what you have posted, it doesn't answer the question raised in the OP.

[TrueReligion]

Can you provide your valuable comments, why Islam is most acceped religion in West n Europe?

Nowhere in the OP does it state that Islam is the most accepted religion in "west n europe", so the question "why Islam is most acceped religion in West n Europe?" has no purpose here.

Should I post the links for the evidence? I think you know well in detail right?

Evidence for what? Evidence for "why Islam is most acceped religion in West n Europe?"

Can you explain what you are referring to? Because, from what you have posted, it doesn't answer the question raised in the OP.

Your post ie refering to unknown question, as what you want to ask, Minaret ban in Swizerland, which till now you can;t justify.

If you say people are afraid of Muslims in Europe and west, I asked you why people are choosing Islam widely in West and Europe, this is certainly related to topic, because it will clear the mis-conception, that people are not afraid of Islam, and are choosing it openly.

I would also suggest reading book, if you can buy as well.

http://www.newdawnbooks.info/Reviews/Wh ... or_Us.html

[VermilionUK]

Your post ie refering to unknown question, as what you want to ask, Minaret ban in Swizerland, which till now you can;t justify.

The question was:
"Is the opposition to the spread of Islam "a case of religious discrimination and racism", or is it the growing fear of extremist Muslims which is making non-muslims fearful of Islam?"

I mentioned the minaret ban and protests as examples - they are not part of the question directly.

If you say people are afraid of Muslims in Europe and west, I asked you why people are choosing Islam widely in West and Europe, this is certainly related to topic, because it will clear the mis-conception, that people are not afraid of Islam, and are choosing it openly.

I don't dispute that muslim converts are on the increase. Maybe that would be better discussed in another thread.

The question is not stating, " Why do more people oppose Islam than join it? ". The question is addressing whether opposition to the spread of Islam (which there is , hence why I mentioned examples) is due to discrimination and racism, or the fear of extremist muslims increasing if Islamic influence rises.

As you yourself are a muslim, what are your thoughts? From the other thread, I suspect that you believe that opposition to the spread of Islam is an act of racism - could you explain why you believe it is racism, and not the fear of extremists?

I myself have several close Muslim friends, however I'm also aware of various extremist muslim preachers gaining influence in large mosques in the UK, and the impact that extremists have had in the UK - several bomb attacks, and attempted bomb attacks, and so I am also weary of the threat that these individuals pose to the generally peaceful muslim population.

[Jayhawker Soule]

Islamophobia is clearly not racism by virtue of the fact that Islam transcends race. Therefore?

If one acknowledges it as xenophobia rather than racism, wherein is the value? You've managed to win a technical point at the expense of a moral one, since the clear inference is that Islamophobia is somehow 'better' (or more acceptable) than racism.

It is a worthless if not wholly disreputable and sophomoric semantic argument that serves nothing other than to prettify anti-Muslim prejudice.

[TrueReligion]

Your post ie refering to unknown question, as what you want to ask, Minaret ban in Swizerland, which till now you can;t justify.

The question was:
"Is the opposition to the spread of Islam "a case of religious discrimination and racism", or is it the growing fear of extremist Muslims which is making non-muslims fearful of Islam?"

I mentioned the minaret ban and protests as examples - they are not part of the question directly.

If you say people are afraid of Muslims in Europe and west, I asked you why people are choosing Islam widely in West and Europe, this is certainly related to topic, because it will clear the mis-conception, that people are not afraid of Islam, and are choosing it openly.

I don't dispute that muslim converts are on the increase. Maybe that would be better discussed in another thread.

The question is not stating, " Why do more people oppose Islam than join it? ". The question is addressing whether opposition to the spread of Islam (which there is , hence why I mentioned examples) is due to discrimination and racism, or the fear of extremist muslims increasing if Islamic influence rises.

As you yourself are a muslim, what are your thoughts? From the other thread, I suspect that you believe that opposition to the spread of Islam is an act of racism - could you explain why you believe it is racism, and not the fear of extremists?

I myself have several close Muslim friends, however I'm also aware of various extremist muslim preachers gaining influence in large mosques in the UK, and the impact that extremists have had in the UK - several bomb attacks, and attempted bomb attacks, and so I am also weary of the threat that these individuals pose to the generally peaceful muslim population.

Ok, you asked me that as a Muslim, Why I feel that its an act of racism, not the fear of extremists.
VUK, if it was because of extremism, they should have BAN all the muslims, and the mosques, which is the main worshiping place of Muslim.
BAN on Minaret, only shows 1 thing in general, which I mentioned already, and which was concluded from the commitee statement.

Now for your views of extremism in UK and other places, bomb attacks etc etc, these things happens in every country, in Pakistan, which is itself a muslim country, there is almsot daily bomd attacks, in African countries as well, in India as well, but many non-muslims are involved in these as well. So what you call al this?related to Islam and muslim extremism?

My friend, you are just thinking of UK and Europe, till now you have;nt travelled most of the muslim countries, and have'nt seen the rich and friendly culture.

Lastly, to analyze Islam, you have to view and read the main scriptures of Islam, not always judge by people. there are good and bad in every society and religion.
We muslims also condemn those bomb attacks, but we also condemn the attacks made by US and NATO army on normal civilians in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.
Why never any1 raised voice on those attacks? Are humans and humanity is only for Europe and West?

[VermilionUK]

Islamophobia is clearly not racism by virtue of the fact that Islam transcends race. Therefore?

If one acknowledges it as xenophobia rather than racism, wherein is the value? You've managed to win a technical point at the expense of a moral one, since the clear inference is that Islamophobia is somehow 'better' (or more acceptable) than racism.

The opposition of the expansion of Islam is not xenophobia, because xenophobia is, according to definition:

"An unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange."

If certain sects within a group proclaim that those who do not follow their methods/ways should be "beheaded", "Killed" or "executed", then I think that to fear them is not "An unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange."

[JoeyKnothead]

Post deleted because I think it will end up just being flame bait. Apologies to all concerned.

[Tharpa]

Eh

I do not understand the ban. The main thing is that the people of different faiths can work together then it sets a good example. It is just a fun thing to fight about for those who are looking for a fight. Thus the example of violent extremists should not be linked with any one religion, no matter the past events, you cannot move forward if you are looking in the past.

Merci

Berty