Jesus Preached the Gospel of Election !

[beloved57]

Jesus Preached the Gospel of Election ! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

All that the Father giveth Me shall come unto me..

Jn 6:

37All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Amen, Jesus Himself taught election and special redemption in these very words..

It is very evident from this portion of the Word of God, that the Love Gift of the Father is not all humanity..This is corroborated in Jn 17..

We find throughout the whole chapter of Jn 17 who these special people people are who the Father gave unto the Son..They are those given to Jesus Christ out of the world per jn 17:6

I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

In another place Jesus is saying I will declare thy name to my brethren per heb 2:12

Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.

Those that have been singled out of the world, not because of their own freewill, repenting and believing, or doing and working, or anything that man does or think. They have been set apart by the Sovereign, electing, and discriminating eternal purpose of God, from everlasting..

They have been under Gods everlasting purpose of mercy from everlasting to everlasting ps 103:

17 But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

Notice, this mercy is not for all mankind, but for those who Fear Him..

And fearing Him is not a condition of this mercy, but as a result of it..for none feared God from everlasting of themselves..

So this speaks to eternal election in their Head, the Lord Jesus Christ whom is from everlasting..

[SpiritQuickens]

Jesus Preached the Gospel of Election ! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

All that the Father giveth Me shall come unto me..

Jn 6:

37All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Amen, Jesus Himself taught election and special redemption in these very words..

It is very evident from this portion of the Word of God, that the Love Gift of the Father is not all humanity..This is corroborated in Jn 17..

We find throughout the whole chapter of Jn 17 who these special people people are who the Father gave unto the Son..They are those given to Jesus Christ out of the world per jn 17:6

I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

In another place Jesus is saying I will declare thy name to my brethren per heb 2:12

Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.

Those that have been singled out of the world, not because of their own freewill, repenting and believing, or doing and working, or anything that man does or think. They have been set apart by the Sovereign, electing, and discriminating eternal purpose of God, from everlasting..

They have been under Gods everlasting purpose of mercy from everlasting to everlasting ps 103:

17 But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

Notice, this mercy is not for all mankind, but for those who Fear Him..

And fearing Him is not a condition of this mercy, but as a result of it..for none feared God from everlasting of themselves..

So this speaks to eternal election in their Head, the Lord Jesus Christ whom is from everlasting..

Amen.

Don't forget John 10:25-30.

Also, compare John 6:35-37 with John 6:63-65. He begins the first verse by telling them He's preaching them the Gospel. The second verse of each three-part set notes that they don't believe. Then He ends it in two opposite ways. In verse 37, He makes a universal positive statement, saying that all whom the Father gives to Him will come to Him, but He ends verse 65 with a universal negative, that "this is why I told you [using their unbelief as an illustration of the necessity of being drawn] that no one can come to Me unless it is granted him by the Father."

[McCulloch]

Is there a question for debate?

[beloved57]

Jesus Preached the Gospel of Election ! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

All that the Father giveth Me shall come unto me..

Jn 6:

37All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Amen, Jesus Himself taught election and special redemption in these very words..

It is very evident from this portion of the Word of God, that the Love Gift of the Father is not all humanity..This is corroborated in Jn 17..

We find throughout the whole chapter of Jn 17 who these special people people are who the Father gave unto the Son..They are those given to Jesus Christ out of the world per jn 17:6

I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

In another place Jesus is saying I will declare thy name to my brethren per heb 2:12

Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.

Those that have been singled out of the world, not because of their own freewill, repenting and believing, or doing and working, or anything that man does or think. They have been set apart by the Sovereign, electing, and discriminating eternal purpose of God, from everlasting..

They have been under Gods everlasting purpose of mercy from everlasting to everlasting ps 103:

17 But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

Notice, this mercy is not for all mankind, but for those who Fear Him..

And fearing Him is not a condition of this mercy, but as a result of it..for none feared God from everlasting of themselves..

So this speaks to eternal election in their Head, the Lord Jesus Christ whom is from everlasting..

Amen.

Don't forget John 10:25-30.

Also, compare John 6:35-37 with John 6:63-65. He begins the first verse by telling them He's preaching them the Gospel. The second verse of each three-part set notes that they don't believe. Then He ends it in two opposite ways. In verse 37, He makes a universal positive statement, saying that all whom the Father gives to Him will come to Him, but He ends verse 65 with a universal negative, that "this is why I told you [using their unbelief as an illustration of the necessity of being drawn] that no one can come to Me unless it is granted him by the Father."

Amen, so would you equate the coming as in jn 6 37 with believing ? I do..

[SpiritQuickens]

Jesus Preached the Gospel of Election ! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

All that the Father giveth Me shall come unto me..

Jn 6:

37All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Amen, Jesus Himself taught election and special redemption in these very words..

It is very evident from this portion of the Word of God, that the Love Gift of the Father is not all humanity..This is corroborated in Jn 17..

We find throughout the whole chapter of Jn 17 who these special people people are who the Father gave unto the Son..They are those given to Jesus Christ out of the world per jn 17:6

I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

In another place Jesus is saying I will declare thy name to my brethren per heb 2:12

Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.

Those that have been singled out of the world, not because of their own freewill, repenting and believing, or doing and working, or anything that man does or think. They have been set apart by the Sovereign, electing, and discriminating eternal purpose of God, from everlasting..

They have been under Gods everlasting purpose of mercy from everlasting to everlasting ps 103:

17 But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

Notice, this mercy is not for all mankind, but for those who Fear Him..

And fearing Him is not a condition of this mercy, but as a result of it..for none feared God from everlasting of themselves..

So this speaks to eternal election in their Head, the Lord Jesus Christ whom is from everlasting..

Amen.

Don't forget John 10:25-30.

Also, compare John 6:35-37 with John 6:63-65. He begins the first verse by telling them He's preaching them the Gospel. The second verse of each three-part set notes that they don't believe. Then He ends it in two opposite ways. In verse 37, He makes a universal positive statement, saying that all whom the Father gives to Him will come to Him, but He ends verse 65 with a universal negative, that "this is why I told you [using their unbelief as an illustration of the necessity of being drawn] that no one can come to Me unless it is granted him by the Father."

Amen, so would you equate the coming as in jn 6 37 with believing ? I do..

Yes, "come" is a synonym for "believe" in the Gospel of John. Hence,

"whoever comes to Me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in Me shall never thirst."-John 6:35.

[beloved57]

Jesus Preached the Gospel of Election ! --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

All that the Father giveth Me shall come unto me..

Jn 6:

37All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

Amen, Jesus Himself taught election and special redemption in these very words..

It is very evident from this portion of the Word of God, that the Love Gift of the Father is not all humanity..This is corroborated in Jn 17..

We find throughout the whole chapter of Jn 17 who these special people people are who the Father gave unto the Son..They are those given to Jesus Christ out of the world per jn 17:6

I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.

In another place Jesus is saying I will declare thy name to my brethren per heb 2:12

Saying, I will declare thy name unto my brethren, in the midst of the church will I sing praise unto thee.

Those that have been singled out of the world, not because of their own freewill, repenting and believing, or doing and working, or anything that man does or think. They have been set apart by the Sovereign, electing, and discriminating eternal purpose of God, from everlasting..

They have been under Gods everlasting purpose of mercy from everlasting to everlasting ps 103:

17 But the mercy of the LORD is from everlasting to everlasting upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children;

Notice, this mercy is not for all mankind, but for those who Fear Him..

And fearing Him is not a condition of this mercy, but as a result of it..for none feared God from everlasting of themselves..

So this speaks to eternal election in their Head, the Lord Jesus Christ whom is from everlasting..

Amen.

Don't forget John 10:25-30.

Also, compare John 6:35-37 with John 6:63-65. He begins the first verse by telling them He's preaching them the Gospel. The second verse of each three-part set notes that they don't believe. Then He ends it in two opposite ways. In verse 37, He makes a universal positive statement, saying that all whom the Father gives to Him will come to Him, but He ends verse 65 with a universal negative, that "this is why I told you [using their unbelief as an illustration of the necessity of being drawn] that no one can come to Me unless it is granted him by the Father."

Amen, so would you equate the coming as in jn 6 37 with believing ? I do..

Yes, "come" is a synonym for "believe" in the Gospel of John. Hence,

"whoever comes to Me shall not hunger, and whoever believes in Me shall never thirst."-John 6:35.

Good scripture, also jn 6:

64But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

65And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

[Jonah]

A Jew would simply say that the NT SAID Jesus preached a gospel of election, but the real Jesus did no such thing.

A Jew would simply say that the NT's election concept is just part and parcel of the NT/Christian Replacement Theology. LOL. The need of the Christian Church to sell the idea that Christianty supercedes Judaism based on election completely dwarfs the truth that the Jew could hardly care because the Christian idea of election is not one a Jew would want in the first place. It is like eating at Burger King and the Christian brags he has a paper Burger King Crown and the Jew doesn't.

[SpiritQuickens]

A Jew would simply say that the NT SAID Jesus preached a gospel of election, but the real Jesus did no such thing.

A Jew would simply say that the NT's election concept is just part and parcel of the NT/Christian Replacement Theology. LOL. The need of the Christian Church to sell the idea that Christianty supercedes Judaism based on election completely dwarfs the truth that the Jew could hardly care because the Christian idea of election is not one a Jew would want in the first place. It is like eating at Burger King and the Christian brags he has a paper Burger King Crown and the Jew doesn't.

The vast majority of the early Christians were Jews (including all of the writers of the New Testament, with the exception of Luke). It's not even at all clear that the New Testament teaches "Replacement Theology." Many Christians (certainly most Protestants) argue that God still has a plan for ethnic Israel.

[Jonah]

Early Jewish Christianity was pluralistic. And even with that, there's little to suggest that a notion of individual Christian election was a wide theme. I don't even see it in Paul...with all his mystical Body of Christ language. But Paul doesn't qualify as a Jewish Christian, no matter what he says, because he so violently chucked the Torah. This, most Jews agree on. We really don't like Paul. We're cool with Jesus. More importantly, the "Jewish-Christians" proper were a distinct group under the leadership of Jesus' family, first with James. This was a group that disagreed with the Paulinists for centuries until they were ultimately silenced. They adhered to a Jewish concept of election, and that is why they remained in the Jewish Community at large in Jerusalem until the Roman persecution made it necessary to leave.

The term "ethnic Israel" makes little linguistic sense. It sounds like something Archie Bunker would say if he got born again. If you want to define "ethnic Israel", that would probably be very interesting.

[CalvinismIsHeresy]

Its important that you understand that Jesus' earthly ministry was to the Jews, a people, THE people rather, of the Divine Election. Jesus said "I come not but to the lost sheep of the house of Israel." This is why Scripture says that Israel is an enemy of the Gospel for our sake but beloved and elect for the Father's sake. Its important to not apply what Christ said to Israel to everybody. Israel is dealt with separately. Very basically.