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Something must be mistaken.

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While I was seeking out for the quotes on religion made by america's founding fathers, I found this:
http://www.eadshome.com/QuotesoftheFounders.htm

but also this:

http://www.aynrand.org/site/News2?id=6177

So what I can think of is:
Jefferson used to be a christian, then changed
Jefferson need certain bible language to please certain people
One webpage must be containing fabrication

And along with other people's saying. I need someone who is big at histroy to help me out, and of course, a debate is encouraged.

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My position is that it doesn't matter whether the Founders were religious or not, but what we decide in the here and now.

Too often religion seeks to bully itself into the affairs of others, and allowing government cover for such is an affront to a free society.

Religion is a plague on government, and should be held as far away as possible. The function of government does not need, nor should it allow religious interference, in any form.

Leave the preaching to the preachers.
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Thomas Jefferson was a Deist, but he was also a politician and often made religious comments that appealed to his audience.

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Just pick up a copy of the Jefferson Bible--Jefferson took the New Testament, edited out the miracles and rearranged the rest a bit. The result is quite interesting and will give you an idea of how Jefferson thought Christianity should be understood.

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ditto on what kay said.

Politicians. Come on. You want them to be inerrant witnesses unto themselves?

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joeyknuccione wrote:My position is that it doesn't matter whether the Founders were religious or not, but what we decide in the here and now.
Like I've said before Joey, I at least respect the honesty of this opinion, unlike those who try to revise history and say the founders were not religious.

Can't resist putting up this one: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.� John Adams
"We are fooling ourselves if we imagine that we can ever make the authentic Gospel popular......it is too simple in an age of rationalism; too narrow in an age of pluralism; too humiliating in an age of self-confidence; too demanding in an age of permissiveness; and too unpatriotic in an age of blind nationalism." Rev. John R.W. Stott, CBE

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East of Eden wrote:
joeyknuccione wrote:My position is that it doesn't matter whether the Founders were religious or not, but what we decide in the here and now.
Like I've said before Joey, I at least respect the honesty of this opinion, unlike those who try to revise history and say the founders were not religious.
Thank you. I happen to think the Founders were attempting to remove religion from government, and would contend it is others who seek to "revise history". I also understand this position can be honestly debated.
East of Eden wrote: Can't resist putting up this one: “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.� John Adams
I think both sides can find quotes to support their position. I fall back to my previous response that it shouldn't so much matter what folks thought then, but how we wish to act now.
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