The Missing Passover

[Ben Masada]

The Missing Passover

We are starting Passover here in Israel. But since the wheels of the Truth cannot stop rolling, I want to bring to your attention the Passover of the year 30 CE. It was supposed to be the last one that Jesus would partake of, and he missed it.

According to John 19:31, that Sabbath was a solemn Sabbath, which is what we call in Hebrew a Shabbaton. That's when a festival falls on the Sabbath. The KJV brings: "For that Sabbath day was a high day."

That Sabbath was the 14th of the month of Nissan; the first day of Passover. The beginning of it is celebrated with the Passover Supper at the evening of the previous day, Friday on that year. That's what we call the Seder Meal.

In the year 30 CE, the Passover Supper was held on the evening of that Friday. No wonder, everyone somehow connected with the events taking place on the Calvary that day, had to leave it in a hurry to prepare themselves and their houses for the Passover Supper.

Jesus missed that Passover Supper because he was on the cross, and soon afterwards, in the tomb. But then again, how to understand that he celebrated his Passover Supper on the evening of Thursday, which was the 13th of Nissan? He didn't. In Israel, no Jew would celebrate Passover in a different day alone or in a small group when everyone else would be doing it next day.

This discrepancy is perhaps due to the fact that the gospel writer, writing somehwere in the world, and realizing that the Jews in the Diaspora would celebrate every festival in two days, thought he could have Jesus celebrate the Passover Supper on the 13 of Nissan. It would have worked if Jesus was a Diaspora Jew; but in Israel there is no such a thing.

There is an option in Judaism to celebrate the Passover later, even a month later, if the person was not for some reason ready for it; but NEVER before. It means that, definitely, Jesus missed that Passover celebration, because his reported "Last Supper" did not have anything to do with the Passover Supper.

The gospel writer had either no idea what he was writing about or simply thought we would never find out about his blunder.

Ben

[jmac2112]

What is your take on this interpretation:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08377a.htm

Pardon me for merely posting a link, but the text is rather long to put up here, and I don't have anything of my own to add to it.

I think I may have posted this link before in reference to the chronology of the visit by the Magi.

[McCulloch]

Why do you assume the year 30 CE? Jesus, according to the Gospel of Luke, was about thirty years of age when he began His ministry. Since we have not been able to nail down his birth year, the number of years his ministry lasted or his exact age when he started his ministry, there is significant room for error. Jesus might have been put to death any time from 26 to 36 CE.

Are there any handy online Hebrew calendars for that period? It does appear as if the first day of the Passover fell on or near a Sabbath in the year he was executed. There is nothing in the Gospels indicating that the execution occurred on a Friday, in fact, Jesus' own prophesy about three days and three nights would exclude it.

[Goat]

Why do you assume the year 30 CE? Jesus, according to the Gospel of Luke, was about thirty years of age when he began His ministry. Since we have not been able to nail down his birth year, the number of years his ministry lasted or his exact age when he started his ministry, there is significant room for error. Jesus might have been put to death any time from 26 to 36 CE.

Are there any handy online Hebrew calendars for that period? It does appear as if the first day of the Passover fell on or near a Sabbath in the year he was executed. There is nothing in the Gospels indicating that the execution occurred on a Friday, in fact, Jesus' own prophesy about three days and three nights would exclude it.

A lot of those 'online' calenders do not take into the account of moving the calender from the Julian calender to the Augustus calender. There was a shift of about 20 days, and it still did not make December 25th to be the equinox, although it would have been in the 1st century.

[Ben Masada]

What is your take on this interpretation:

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08377a.htm

Pardon me for merely posting a link, but the text is rather long to put up here, and I don't have anything of my own to add to it.

I think I may have posted this link before in reference to the chronology of the visit by the Magi.

I hate links. I am more interested in what you have to say.

[Ben Masada]

Why do you assume the year 30 CE? Jesus, according to the Gospel of Luke, was about thirty years of age when he began His ministry. Since we have not been able to nail down his birth year, the number of years his ministry lasted or his exact age when he started his ministry, there is significant room for error. Jesus might have been put to death any time from 26 to 36 CE.

Are there any handy online Hebrew calendars for that period? It does appear as if the first day of the Passover fell on or near a Sabbath in the year he was executed. There is nothing in the Gospels indicating that the execution occurred on a Friday, in fact, Jesus' own prophesy about three days and three nights would exclude it.

Jesus was born in the year 4 BCE. He was 30 years old in the year 27 CE when he started his ministry immediately after he got married to Mary Magdalene in Cana of Galilee. He was 33 years old when he was crucified in the year 30 CE. The 14th of Nisan on that year fell on the evening of Friday. Because that 14th of Nisan
was a Sabbath, the fourth gospel calls it a solemn or high Sabbath. We call it Shabbaton, because of the coincidence of being Sabbath and festival of Passover at the same time.

Ben:

[Goat]

Why do you assume the year 30 CE? Jesus, according to the Gospel of Luke, was about thirty years of age when he began His ministry. Since we have not been able to nail down his birth year, the number of years his ministry lasted or his exact age when he started his ministry, there is significant room for error. Jesus might have been put to death any time from 26 to 36 CE.

Are there any handy online Hebrew calendars for that period? It does appear as if the first day of the Passover fell on or near a Sabbath in the year he was executed. There is nothing in the Gospels indicating that the execution occurred on a Friday, in fact, Jesus' own prophesy about three days and three nights would exclude it.

Jesus was born in the year 4 BCE. He was 30 years old in the year 27 CE when he started his ministry immediately after he got married to Mary Magdalene in Cana of Galilee. He was 33 years old when he was crucified in the year 30 CE. The 14th of Nisan on that year fell on the evening of Friday. Because that 14th of Nisan
was a Sabbath, the fourth gospel calls it a solemn or high Sabbath. We call it Shabbaton, because of the coincidence of being Sabbath and festival of Passover at the same time.

Ben:

No, he was born in the year 6 c.e. .. according to Luke at least.. well, Luke and Matthew disagree. Luke mentioned the census that quintaris did, and that was 6 c.e. Jesus started his ministry right after John the Baptist was executed, and according to Josephus, that happened in 36 c.e... according to Luke. However, that means the length of the miniistry is not at long as the bible says, since Pilate was removed in 37, because of executing the samaritan messiah.

[McCulloch]

Jesus was born in the year 4 BCE. He was 30 years old in the year 27 CE when he started his ministry immediately after he got married to Mary Magdalene in Cana of Galilee. He was 33 years old when he was crucified in the year 30 CE. The 14th of Nisan on that year fell on the evening of Friday. Because that 14th of Nisan was a Sabbath, the fourth gospel calls it a solemn or high Sabbath. We call it Shabbaton, because of the coincidence of being Sabbath and festival of Passover at the same time.

You speak as if you are sure of your facts, yet you provide no support. Your chronology does fit, but your facts still appear to be just opinions.

A la Joey

1. Jesus was born in the year 4 BCE.
2. He started his ministry in the year 27 CE
3. He married Mary Magdalene in Cana of Galilee.
4. He was crucified in the year 30 CE.

[Ben Masada]

Why do you assume the year 30 CE? Jesus, according to the Gospel of Luke, was about thirty years of age when he began His ministry. Since we have not been able to nail down his birth year, the number of years his ministry lasted or his exact age when he started his ministry, there is significant room for error. Jesus might have been put to death any time from 26 to 36 CE.

Are there any handy online Hebrew calendars for that period? It does appear as if the first day of the Passover fell on or near a Sabbath in the year he was executed. There is nothing in the Gospels indicating that the execution occurred on a Friday, in fact, Jesus' own prophesy about three days and three nights would exclude it.

Jesus was born in the year 4 BCE. He was 30 years old in the year 27 CE when he started his ministry immediately after he got married to Mary Magdalene in Cana of Galilee. He was 33 years old when he was crucified in the year 30 CE. The 14th of Nisan on that year fell on the evening of Friday. Because that 14th of Nisan
was a Sabbath, the fourth gospel calls it a solemn or high Sabbath. We call it Shabbaton, because of the coincidence of being Sabbath and festival of Passover at the same time.

Ben:

No, he was born in the year 6 c.e. .. according to Luke at least.. well, Luke and Matthew disagree. Luke mentioned the census that quintaris did, and that was 6 c.e. Jesus started his ministry right after John the Baptist was executed, and according to Josephus, that happened in 36 c.e... according to Luke. However, that means the length of the miniistry is not at long as the bible says, since Pilate was removed in 37, because of executing the samaritan messiah.

No, we cannot trust the NT for this one. The contradictions make anyone dizzy.
I find much more comfortable even checking Catholic tradition. When they worked to establish the change of the History of the world to place Jesus in the partition of it, a mistake was found much later that the year for the birth of Jesus fell in the year 4 BCE. They just decided to leave as it was. and nothing happened on the first of CE to celebrate as the partition of History but the birth of Jesus four years before. [/b]

[Ben Masada]

Jesus was born in the year 4 BCE. He was 30 years old in the year 27 CE when he started his ministry immediately after he got married to Mary Magdalene in Cana of Galilee. He was 33 years old when he was crucified in the year 30 CE. The 14th of Nisan on that year fell on the evening of Friday. Because that 14th of Nisan was a Sabbath, the fourth gospel calls it a solemn or high Sabbath. We call it Shabbaton, because of the coincidence of being Sabbath and festival of Passover at the same time.

You speak as if you are sure of your facts, yet you provide no support. Your chronology does fit, but your facts still appear to be just opinions.

A la Joey

1. Jesus was born in the year 4 BCE.
2. He started his ministry in the year 27 CE
3. He married Mary Magdalene in Cana of Galilee.
4. He was crucified in the year 30 CE.

Well, and what do you have to say to refute this? If you don't, at least check the Catholic Encyclopedia. [/b]