Salvation is from the Jews

[Ben Masada]

SALVATION IS FROM THE JEWS - John 4:22

In "Salvation is from the Jews," Jesus meant to that Samaritan woman
much more than just what most of us understand that he meant himself.
He didn't. He meant the whole nation, the Jewish People. How's that?

Please, don't get startled with the following statement, because I'll
explain. If Israel existed before the Flood, this would not have
happened. Do you know why the Flood happened? Because "The Lord saw
how great was man's wickedness on earth, and how no desire that his
heart conceived was ever anything but evil. (Gen. 5:5)

After the Flood, God promised Noah that "Never again He would doom the
earth because of man. (Gen. 8:21) What about if man became wicked
again? How would God make good on His promise to Noah? Because Israel
was on the make with the rise of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Israel
would be the pledge to guarantee God's promise to Noah that the world
would be saved of another similar catastrophe. I believe that's what
Jesus had in mind when he told that Samaritan woman that salvation
is from the Jews. That's what keeps the world going.

Ben

[Paul2]

Ben,

Israel would be the pledge to guarantee God's promise to Noah that the world would be saved of another similar catastrophe.

No. God made an unconditional covenant never to send such a global flood again. God cannot lie. He gave the rainbow as the sign of that covenant.

"Salvation is from the Jews,"

Do you believe all the words Jesus spoke to the Samaritan woman or only some of them?

John 4:25,26 The woman is saying to Him, "We are aware that Messiah is coming, Who is termed 'Christ,' Whenever He should be coming, He will be informing us of all things." Jesus is saying to her, "I am He, Who am speaking to you."



Paul

[Goat]

Ben,

Israel would be the pledge to guarantee God's promise to Noah that the world would be saved of another similar catastrophe.

No. God made an unconditional covenant never to send such a global flood again. God cannot lie. He gave the rainbow as the sign of that covenant.

"Salvation is from the Jews,"

Do you believe all the words Jesus spoke to the Samaritan woman or only some of them?

John 4:25,26 The woman is saying to Him, "We are aware that Messiah is coming, Who is termed 'Christ,' Whenever He should be coming, He will be informing us of all things." Jesus is saying to her, "I am He, Who am speaking to you."



Paul

And what does that mean? So vague, and of course, the Gospel of John was redacted a number of time. Who, according to John , is Jesus? According to the Gospel of John, Jesus is the one sent. What is "LOGOS" in the late first century Judah? It follows the pattern of the Logos of Philo of Alexandria, who proposed
Logos is God's wisdom and intermediary to people. John modified that slightly,
and had that intermediary 'made flesh'. It showed the Greek concepts that came into Israel via Greece.

[Ben Masada]

Ben,

Israel would be the pledge to guarantee God's promise to Noah that the world would be saved of another similar catastrophe.

No. God made an unconditional covenant never to send such a global flood again. God cannot lie. He gave the rainbow as the sign of that covenant.

"Salvation is from the Jews,"

Do you believe all the words Jesus spoke to the Samaritan woman or only some of them?

John 4:25,26 The woman is saying to Him, "We are aware that Messiah is coming, Who is termed 'Christ,' Whenever He should be coming, He will be informing us of all things." Jesus is saying to her, "I am He, Who am speaking to you."



Paul

Paul, nothing is unconditional when dealing with humans. All God's promises were and are conditioned to man's obedience. The whole Bible is very clear about this.
The Flood happened because man had become corrupt. What would guarantee God's conditional promise if man became corrupt again? Israel, and that's what Jesus meant to that Samaritan woman. The rainbow was only the symbolical token for the pledge of guarantee.

Regarding your question, if I believe ALL the words that went through between Jesus and the Samaritan woman, no, I don't. In fact, I believe only 20 percent of the whole of the NT. The other 80 percent are interpolations either by the Gentiles who wrote those books or by the Fathers of the Church in the Fourth Century when they selected what they chose into the Canon of the NT.

For example, Jesus never said to that woman that he was the Messiah, because for about 30 years that Jesus' disciples were headquartered in Jerusalem, they never
preached about Jesus as Messiah, son of God, or that he had resurrected. Why do
I think so? Because when Paul showed up in Jerusalem with that same message, he
was nearly killed by the local Jews for preaching apostasy in Jerusalem. How come!
The Apostles were as surprised about the whole idea as were the local Jews.

Ben:

[Paul2]

Ben,

Regarding your question, if I believe ALL the words that went through between Jesus and the Samaritan woman, no, I don't. In fact, I believe only 20 percent of the whole of the NT. The other 80 percent are interpolations either by the Gentiles who wrote those books or by the Fathers of the Church in the Fourth Century when they selected what they chose into the Canon of the NT.

Why are you debating in this subforum? This is meant to be a place where members can debate Christian theology without the need to defend the authority of the Bible. You clearly don't debate the NT in accordance with the Sticky posted in this subforum by otseng.


Paul

[beloved57]

rom 2:

28For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:

29But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

This is always been Gods definition of a Jew before Him..not a ethnic group, but a spiritual..

[Ben Masada]

Ben,

Regarding your question, if I believe ALL the words that went through between Jesus and the Samaritan woman, no, I don't. In fact, I believe only 20 percent of the whole of the NT. The other 80 percent are interpolations either by the Gentiles who wrote those books or by the Fathers of the Church in the Fourth Century when they selected what they chose into the Canon of the NT.

Why are you debating in this subforum? This is meant to be a place where members can debate Christian theology without the need to defend the authority of the Bible. You clearly don't debate the NT in accordance with the Sticky posted in this subforum by otseng.


Paul

Theology is not limited by religious denominations. I was in Apologetic Christianity when they transferred my posts to this section of the Forum for being Theology a more general term.

What's the matter, if you can't handle the Truth, you always have the freedom not to pick up my posts.

What about if I get impressed with your ability to handle the Scriptures and make a decision? You would be counted with the credit to have converted a Jew. But as I can see, people melt down when a Jew is in the Forum. You guys don't have to be
afraid. We are of the same kind of Jesus, whose faith was Judaism.

Ben:

[beloved57]

You guys don't have to be
afraid. We are of the same kind of Jesus, whose faith was Judaism.

Is that why his countrymen killed him ?

[Goat]

You guys don't have to be
afraid. We are of the same kind of Jesus, whose faith was Judaism.

Is that why his countrymen killed him ?

If he existed at all, the Romans killed him. Obviously, the early Christians that got kicked out of the synagogues for being heretics and believing that a man was a God had to give the blame to people they were angry at.

However, the Jews were not allowed to crucify someone. That would be against both Jewish law and Roman law. The entire story of the trial of Jesus is a violation of Jewish law and tradition. The description of Pilate's actions are in direct contradiction with his historical record when it comes to how both Josephus and Philo have described his nature.

[Ben Masada]

You guys don't have to be
afraid. We are of the same kind of Jesus, whose faith was Judaism.

Is that why his countrymen killed him ?

You are mistaken for believing the writers of the NT. Jesus' countrymen did not kill Jesus. The Romans did. The Jews would not kill a fellow Jew who had come to confirm Judaism to the letter.

Ben: