Describing the Christian God

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Describing the Christian God

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From another thread the following quote was made:
So long as we insist that God is a scientific matter, then I cannot. In that sense, I agree with you, there will be no direct scientific evidence for God - thus, I do not believe in God as you describe him. I would propose, however, that this is not the whole of the story.
I have heard my daughter make similar claims and find them just as meaningless.

I would ask someone to please describe the Christian God to me and what evidence they have to support their description of Him.

Late edit: as usual, my OP isn't clear enough. I am looking for attributes that you would use to describe God. Not what He wants us to do, not what proves his existence.
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Rekon wrote:
bernee51 wrote:An illusion does not have to be ‘false’. It could be a memory of an event that actually occurred. Or it could be a fantasy. Both are memories - which is more real?
A fantasy is not a memory for a fantasy could be just an imagined thought. A memory, however, is recalling an occurence. It is a thought of something real.
bernee51 wrote:Are you a fan of Cartesian dualism; the body and mind being separate entities?
I believe that both are part of one acting substance.
bernee51 wrote:Personally I reckon Rene got is bass ackwards - I prefer: “I am therefore I think�
So do you assume that the action came before the idea? or vice versa?

Hi Rekon...

Not really on topic - gone to PM
"Whatever you are totally ignorant of, assert to be the explanation of everything else"

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"When I see I am nothing, that is wisdom. When I see I am everything, that is love. My life is a movement between these two."

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Re: Describing the Christian God

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Jester wrote:Also jumping in to get this back on track.

Most traits which I would attribute to God would be personality traits. The main problem with these in context of this discussion is that it is exceedingly hard to refer to personality traits in a simple or clearly defined manner.
More to what I believe your point to be is God as creator. This would make him something behind the scientific laws of the universe, not telling us about science, mind you, but merely be a spiritual explanation as to why there is a universe to begin with, and why such laws exist as they do. The difficulty here is generally the debate over whether such an explanation is accurate, but seems to be irrelevant to your question. As such, the problem is rather that the process by which a spiritual being can establish scientific law is not really known by humans. We're basically so far outside our understanding at this point that little can be said with any certainty (which is one reason why I generally try to stick with personality traits).
In any case, unless we have established something of the personality of God - any argument along the lines of "God, if he existed, wouldn't have made the universe this way" doesn't make any sense.
If we conclude God created the universe, etc... shouldn't we be able to infer some traits about Him based on what we know to exist? If He created it, couldn't we use some inductive logic to infer what traits we could apply to Him based on what He created?
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Re: Describing the Christian God

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Confused wrote:If we conclude God created the universe, etc... shouldn't we be able to infer some traits about Him based on what we know to exist? If He created it, couldn't we use some inductive logic to infer what traits we could apply to Him based on what He created?
This would seem logical, such as one judges an artist by the work he does, likewise with god then, however, what do we really know exists? or what do we know is true? In this perception, it would only be attributed that god is some sort of intelligence that we as finite creatures do not really comprehend as of now.

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