Gospels

[Dex]

The Gospel according to Matthew says (27:52-54) 'the graves were opened, and many bodies of the saints who slept rose up and came out of their graves after His resurrection, and went into the Holy City and appeared to many'. Do you believe this happened? If Yes: How could this amazing event have escaped everyone else's notice, even the other evangelists? If No: How could the author of Matthew get away with such a lie?

[piglet17]

By "escaped notice" do you mean not written about ?
Do you mean you were there and no one mentioned it to you ?
Do you mean you've written all you've noticed ?
Written all the amazing things you noticed ?
Do you say the other evangelists didn't notice it becuz..........the 4 gospels are supposed to be photocopies of one another ?

[Dex]

By "escaped notice" do you mean not written about

i mean that nowhere anywhere else in anything else is this written about.this being a very major event and all it tends to lend credence to the fact that it is fairytale and not truth.

Do you say the other evangelists didn't notice it becuz..........the 4 gospels are supposed to be photocopies of one another ?

no i dont think they should be photocopies of each other but since most are telling the same story a little coboration would be nice.

[Nec Spe Nec Metu]

Matthew fibbed.

[piglet17]

For example, where would be your "anywhere else" ?
By "very major event" do you also mean Lazarus' resurrection in John 11 ?
Elisha's resurrection of the woman's son in 2 Kings ?
The widow's son's resurrection in Luke ?
The Son of God's resurrection in Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and the rest of the New Testament ?


By "tends to lend credence to the fact that it is fairytale and not truth" do you mean, for example, the fairytale of Evolution/Abiogenesis, where species change into other species, monkeys turn into people, or lightning turns inanimacy into life ?

By "since most are telling the same story a little coboration would be nice" do you mean you believe what they repeat but disbelieve what they don't repeat ?

[bernee51]

For example, where would be your "anywhere else" ?
By "very major event" do you also mean Lazarus' resurrection in John 11 ?

No he was talking of the claim in matthew- and only matthew - that graves opened, bodies rose up, walked the streets and appeared to many. How come none of that 'many' sought to write about it?

The Son of God's resurrection in Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, and the rest of the New Testament ?

Stories which vary from version to version. Stories that become more fantastic in the later gospels.

By "since most are telling the same story a little coboration would be nice" do you mean you believe what they repeat but disbelieve what they don't repeat ?

Do you believe the stories of Arjuna and Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita? If not why not?

[piglet17]

By "How come none of that 'many' sought to write about it?" do you mean because there's no copy, there could be no original ?
Do you mean anyone was S'pose to write about it ?
If so: why ?

By "vary from version to version" are you suggesting they contradict ?
Or do you mean the 4 Gospels are s'pose to be photocopies ?

By "become more fantastic in the later gospels" do you mean Matthew wasN't the first written of the 4 ?
Based on...........anything beside your opinion ? Your wish ? Your hope ? Your religion ? Your nonreligion ? Your faith ?

By "fantastic" do you mean that since you can't raise the dead, God can't ?
Death's stronger than God ?

i don't believe the stories of Arjuna and Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita because i've met Christ, who is God (and man). But when i invoke anyone in the Gita, there's no response, no reality

[Dex]

By "How come none of that 'many' sought to write about it?" do you mean because there's no copy, there could be no original ?
Do you mean anyone was S'pose to write about it ?
If so: why ?

considering it was such a big event,yes i do believe people would have written about it.there were many historians during this time who kept alot of records of events but yet this is one that was never recorded.

By "vary from version to version" are you suggesting they contradict ?
Or do you mean the 4 Gospels are s'pose to be photocopies ?

while i believe you are trying to take us away from the topic with this question ill answer it anyway.yes i do believe the gospels contradict,if you want to debate this though it should be somewhere else.

By "become more fantastic in the later gospels" do you mean Matthew wasN't the first written of the 4 ?
Based on...........anything beside your opinion ? Your wish ? Your hope ? Your religion ? Your nonreligion ? Your faith

this question is pointless and just another way for you to avoid the topic at hand.

By "fantastic" do you mean that since you can't raise the dead, God can't ?
Death's stronger than God ?

your the only one to have stated fantastic and now have created a question based on your own question.

i applaud your way of debating.you seem to have found a way to completly avoid the topic by just drilling anyone with questions that completely take you away from the topic.im sure this has worked many times before but if your not looking to actually debate the topic then just dont post.

[bernee51]

By "How come none of that 'many' sought to write about it?" do you mean because there's no copy, there could be no original ?
Do you mean anyone was S'pose to write about it ?
If so: why ?

Philo...have you heard of him?...wrote of many things, mundane and otherwise, concurrent with the supposed life of Jesus. he never mentions this rather fantastic event of bodies coming out of the round and talking to the local populace.

By "vary from version to version" are you suggesting they contradict ?

Who was at the tomb - men or angels.

Or do you mean the 4 Gospels are s'pose to be photocopies ?

You tell me? They were written versions of oral legends.

By "become more fantastic in the later gospels" do you mean Matthew wasN't the first written of the 4 ?

I believe Mark was the first and the probable inventor of the Jesus myth.

Based on...........anything beside your opinion ? Your wish ? Your hope ? Your religion ? Your nonreligion ? Your faith ?

Based on the work of numerous scholars. You should try research some time, it helps remove ignorance.

By "fantastic" do you mean that since you can't raise the dead, God can't ?
Death's stronger than God ?

No by fantastic I mean 'fantasy'. The fantasy becomes more fantastic from mark to John. Compare the supernatural elements in each of their resurrection stories an you will see what I mean.

God, the all powerful, eternal, unchanging christian creator god, does not exist..it is a logical impossibility.

i don't believe the stories of Arjuna and Krishna in the Bhagavad Gita because i've met Christ,....

Really? How tall was he? What coloured hair? Any distinguishing features (other than stigmata)

But when i invoke anyone in the Gita, there's no response, no reality

I am not surprised.

Have read it?

[piglet17]

8 considering it was such a big event,yes i do believe people would have written about it.

Matthew did

there were many historians during this time who kept alot of records of events but yet this is one that was never recorded.

To the contrary: Matthew recorded it

i do believe the gospels contradict,if you want to debate this though it should be somewhere else.

i don't read the Gospels or Bible ever contradicting. If you want to debate this, feel free to do so anywhere you like

this question is pointless and just another way for you to avoid the topic at hand.

Then does that mean your statement about "fantastic" and "later Gospels," which i questioned, was also pointless and avoiding the topic at hand ?

your the only one to have stated fantastic and now have created a question based on your own question.

To the contrary, i'm neither the only nor the first to have stated "fantastic." bernee51 initiated it in his post 6, 2nd paragraph (which i can't blame you for not reading)

i applaud your way of debating.you seem to have found a way to completly avoid the topic by just drilling anyone with questions that completely take you away from the topic.

i don't applaud you for mislabelling my questions about the topic as "avoiding" the topic. Since i'm simply trying to understand what you or another are saying.
If using your and his own words "completely takes away from the topic," then what words in questions, if any, do you want me to ask ? Would you prefer i simply take everything you and another say by faith ? Are you your own Bible ?

im sure this has worked many times before but if your not looking to actually debate the topic then just dont post.

Likewise. Though i resent your false accusation

9 Philo...have you heard of him?...wrote of many things, mundane and otherwise, concurrent with the supposed life of Jesus. he never mentions this rather fantastic event of bodies coming out of the round and talking to the local populace.

Maybe they didn't appear to him. Maybe, as other Jews, he believed in resurrection. Maybe (maybe) he believed in the Bible account of the prophet Elisha, and Ezekiel, concerning resurrection from the dead. So that the event wasn't "fantastic" in the sense of being undreamt-of by Philo.

Is your point (if 8 will permit me asking) that Philo wrote of everything else contained in Matthew ? In Mark ? In Luke ? In John ? In all 4 ?

Who was at the tomb - men or angels.

Both.
If you're also asking whether angels look like or can look like men, or men look like or can look like angels: the Biblical answer's "Yes"

You tell me?

The 4 Gospels neither are, nor are meant to be, photocopies. In that case you'd only have 1 "Gospel." Not 4

They were written versions of oral legends.

i wouldn't call facts "legends." But if that's your twist, vocabulary, agenda, or concept, so be it

I believe Mark was the first and the probable inventor of the Jesus myth.

i believe Matthew was written around AD 40 and neither God nor Jesus are myth

Based on the work of numerous scholars. You should try research some time, it helps remove ignorance.

If you pride yourself to be unignorant, then perhaps you, or your "scholars" could actually try to present, right here, right now, any of their "work" or "research" so that we can compare it with mine and see which is more rational. Unless you prefer conclusory statements to supported ones

by fantastic I mean 'fantasy'. The fantasy becomes more fantastic from mark to John.

What fantasy ?

Compare the supernatural elements in each of their resurrection stories an you will see what I mean.

From my reading the New Testament in comparison with your posts, i see that you're spiritually blind, dead, and in unbelief

God, the all powerful, eternal, unchanging christian creator god, does not exist..it is a logical impossibility.

That's illogical

Really?

Really

How tall was he?

The last Adam became a life-giving Spirit

What coloured hair?

The Lord is the Spirit

Any distinguishing features (other than stigmata)

He gives life

Have read [the Gita]?

It's not worth the paper it's written on.
Yes