Faith without works saves or works required.

[McCulloch]

[Cathar1950]

Jesus taught that faith is required for entrance into the kingdom of heaven. Unless you believe I am the one I claim to be you will indeed die in your sins. AND he taught that the final judgment of the sheep from the goats will be based on works. You need to critically combine the teachings of all of your holy scripture rather than hang on a single concept and interpreting all others in light of your understanding of that.

Indeed.
I would add something to the argument here. The word Paul uses for "faith" (πίστις, or pis'-tis) means trust in God, but also moral conviction of God's laws. This is to say that it is the inner conviction about the morals (as well as trusting God personally) is the point.
Thus, faith can't really can't be (in any practical way at the very least) separated from the doing of good works.

I knew we could agree on something.
Faithfulness is a better word then faith and implies doing.
Jesus did not die to forgive sins but his death was an example of faithfulness even unto death which Christians or followers were to emulate. This is the faithfulness that was saving not a sacrifice or dept to be paid.
For the most part the modern idea often preached is rather crude and Easyrider has provided us with a good example of where these kinds of notions lead.

Finally, Jesus is saying people will be judged on their works, not specifically saved by them. If people can "work" their way to salvation then Jesus' atoning sacrifice at Calvary for the remission of sins was completely unnecessary.

We have here a magical idea of atonement that I personally take to be a misunderstanding of Paul's use of Allegory as well as his misuse.

[Jester]

[john_anthony_gonzalez]

The book of James is a book of practicality not theology

The book of Ephesians is opposite

but it is true works without faith is dead, and faith without works is dead
but this process is not justification its sanctification

and "grace you have been saved through faith" is justification

[JoseAndresHerrera]

No where in the Bible it says that humanity are saved by faith alone. There are many verses throughout the Bible that refutes the idea of "faith alone".

"Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say? I will show you what he is like who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice ..." (Luke 6:46-47). Not only do we need to have faith in him, but to do what he commands and put it to practice. If we keep Jesus commandments and our heavenly father's commandment we will remain in his eternal love as John 15:10 says.

Also in the last judgement of Jesus, he judges humanity according to our actions (feeding the hungry, give H2O to the thirsty, helping the poor & sick, etc.) Noticed that the ones that were sent to hell called Jesus "Lord". They did have faith in him, but they did not practice what a christian should practice.

"Was not Abraham our father JUSTIFIED BY WORKS when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar?" (James 2:21)

"See how a man is JUSTIFIED BY WORKS, and NOT by faith alone (James 2:24)

Martin Luther added the word "alone" to Romans 3:28. The word 'alone' is no where found in the original greek text - then it must have been added.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45u5l0hjGzc

[Easyrider]

No where in the Bible it says that humanity are saved by faith alone. There are many verses throughout the Bible that refutes the idea of "faith alone".

"Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say? I will show you what he is like who comes to me and hears my words and puts them into practice ..." (Luke 6:46-47). Not only do we need to have faith in him, but to do what he commands and put it to practice. If we keep Jesus commandments and our heavenly father's commandment we will remain in his eternal love as John 15:10 says.

Also in the last judgement of Jesus, he judges humanity according to our actions (feeding the hungry, give H2O to the thirsty, helping the poor & sick, etc.) Noticed that the ones that were sent to hell called Jesus "Lord". They did have faith in him, but they did not practice what a christian should practice.

"Was not Abraham our father JUSTIFIED BY WORKS when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar?" (James 2:21)

"See how a man is JUSTIFIED BY WORKS, and NOT by faith alone (James 2:24)

Martin Luther added the word "alone" to Romans 3:28. The word 'alone' is no where found in the original greek text - then it must have been added.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45u5l0hjGzc

This argument was already debunked in my previous post:

ref:Re: Faith without works saves or works required.

[Cathar1950]

[Moi_29]

Right, as it was said in Luke 6:46-47. We cannot receive salvation by our own faith only, but by following His commandments. It's really easy to say that you have faith in God and Christ, but it is not easy to prove it. As it was said, "Why do you call me 'Lord, Lord', but do not do what I say?"

Come to think of it, God sent His Son, Jesus Christ to save us from our sins, but still, we commit sin. Now, if we are going to be saved by grace only, then why do we still live here on earth? It is because we need to prove that we really have faith in Him, by following Him.