How Can We Inherit Eternal Life

[OneJack]

Matthew 19:16. And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master, what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life?

17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

18 He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness,

19 Honour thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

20 The young man saith unto him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet?

21 Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me.

Question: In our time today, how can our souls be saved? What must we do to inherit Eternal Life with the Lord in Paradise in due time?

[OneJack]

DearmOne Jack,

Christ answered your question in verse 17 And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.

So "eternal Life" is not inherited, it is earned by keeping the commandments, repenting of all our sins and relying on the atonement of Jesus Christas the only mediator between us and God the Father.

Most people speak of "eternal life" with very limited concept of what that totally means. Let us hear your complete definition of what that actually means.

Let’s read what the Lord Jesus said to the rich young ruler.

Are you saying you believe we can read the words that the Lord said to the young ruler in the bible ? What the Lord said is written for us to read in the bible?

Please confirm that is what you are trying to communicate.

JW

NOTE I am not asking you to confirm what the Lord said, I'm asking you to confirm your own words in RED above

We’ve discussed this as being copies of copies of alleged utterances of the Lord, haven’t we?

[JehovahsWitness]

Let’s read what the Lord Jesus said to the rich young ruler. ... We’ve discussed this as being copies of copies of alleged utterances of the Lord, haven’t we?

Yes, so... isn't it a bit misleading to say "Let’s read what the Lord Jesus said " without adding " alleged" said in "copies of copies"

Why are you quoting scripture saying Let’s read what the Lord Jesus said when you have already confirmed ..

... we will not find any confirmation from God, saying, 'God's spoken words can be READ in the scriptures,'

Indeed, since you confirmed below that God's words were lost, how is it you now encourage someone to read what the Lord said? Wouldn't that be impossible? (since they were lost according to you - see below)

... [were God's words] lost despite the FACT that he said those very words were destined for all humanity including our generation?

2 Yes, they were lost.

You said that

The Lord Jesus did not encourage his audience to READ and BELIEVE Moses’ testimony ...

but you are encouraging someone to read the testimony of a gospel writer. Why? Why should they read the testimony of an " alleged" "copy of a copy" for what reason?

[OneJack]

Let’s read what the Lord Jesus said to the rich young ruler. ... We’ve discussed this as being copies of copies of alleged utterances of the Lord, haven’t we?

Yes, so... isn't it a bit misleading to say "Let’s read what the Lord Jesus said " without adding " alleged" said in "copies of copies"

Why are you quoting scripture saying Let’s read what the Lord Jesus said when you have already confirmed ..

... we will not find any confirmation from God, saying, 'God's spoken words can be READ in the scriptures,'

Indeed, since you confirmed below that God's words were lost, how is it you now encourage someone to read what the Lord said? Wouldn't that be impossible? (since they were lost according to you - see below)

... [were God's words] lost despite the FACT that he said those very words were destined for all humanity including our generation?

2 Yes, they were lost.

You said that

The Lord Jesus did not encourage his audience to READ and BELIEVE Moses’ testimony ...

but you are encouraging someone to read the testimony of a gospel writer. Why? Why should they read the testimony of an " alleged" "copy of a copy" for what reason?

If you were the author of the post I responded to, my wording would be within the realm of what we have already discussed about the words spoken by the Lord. The person I was speaking with brought up a verse from Matthew 19, so I went along with it—just to show him the flaw in his belief regarding what can grant us eternal life.

[JehovahsWitness]

Let’s read what the Lord Jesus said to the rich young ruler. ... We’ve discussed this as being copies of copies of alleged utterances of the Lord, haven’t we?

Yes, so... isn't it a bit misleading to say "Let’s read what the Lord Jesus said " without adding " alleged" said in "copies of copies"

Why are you quoting scripture saying Let’s read what the Lord Jesus said when you have already confirmed ..

... we will not find any confirmation from God, saying, 'God's spoken words can be READ in the scriptures,'

Indeed, since you confirmed below that God's words were lost, how is it you now encourage someone to read what the Lord said? Wouldn't that be impossible? (since they were lost according to you - see below)

... [were God's words] lost despite the FACT that he said those very words were destined for all humanity including our generation?

2 Yes, they were lost.

You said that

The Lord Jesus did not encourage his audience to READ and BELIEVE Moses’ testimony ...

but you are encouraging someone to read the testimony of a gospel writer. Why? Why should they read the testimony of an " alleged" "copy of a copy" for what reason?

If you were the author of the post I responded to, my wording would be within the realm of what we have already discussed about the words spoken by the Lord. The person I was speaking with brought up a verse from Matthew 19, so I went along with it—just to show him the flaw in his belief regarding what can grant us eternal life.

It doesn't matter who one is speaking to, what matters is what is said. You have personally testified that

1. God's words have been lost to the world
2. The bible does NOT contain any of the words of God
3. You have implied that we cannot believe the testimonies in scripture (they are only alleged words and "copies of copies")

So again my question is , why do you encourage someone to "read the words of the Lord (in the bible)" when the words of the Lord have (according to you) been lost and are no longer in the bible at all?

[OneJack]

Let’s read what the Lord Jesus said to the rich young ruler. ... We’ve discussed this as being copies of copies of alleged utterances of the Lord, haven’t we?

Yes, so... isn't it a bit misleading to say "Let’s read what the Lord Jesus said " without adding " alleged" said in "copies of copies"

Why are you quoting scripture saying Let’s read what the Lord Jesus said when you have already confirmed ..

... we will not find any confirmation from God, saying, 'God's spoken words can be READ in the scriptures,'

Indeed, since you confirmed below that God's words were lost, how is it you now encourage someone to read what the Lord said? Wouldn't that be impossible? (since they were lost according to you - see below)

... [were God's words] lost despite the FACT that he said those very words were destined for all humanity including our generation?

2 Yes, they were lost.

You said that

The Lord Jesus did not encourage his audience to READ and BELIEVE Moses’ testimony ...

but you are encouraging someone to read the testimony of a gospel writer. Why? Why should they read the testimony of an " alleged" "copy of a copy" for what reason?

If you were the author of the post I responded to, my wording would be within the realm of what we have already discussed about the words spoken by the Lord. The person I was speaking with brought up a verse from Matthew 19, so I went along with it—just to show him the flaw in his belief regarding what can grant us eternal life.

It doesn't matter who one is speaking to, what matters is what is said. You have personally testified that

1. God's words have been lost to the world
2. The bible does NOT contain any of the words of God
3. You have implied that we cannot believe the testimonies in scripture (they are only alleged words and "copies of copies")

So again my question is , why do you encourage someone to "read the words of the Lord (in the bible)" when the words of the Lord have (according to you) been lost and are no longer in the bible at all?

False, I’m not encouraging him to read the Bible, but telling him to read thoroughly the part where he picked up the words Jesus said to the rich man, as per the Bible record. I’m not talking to you in this regard.

We’re already done talking about these things in many previous posts.

[JehovahsWitness]

I’m .... telling him to read thoroughly the part where he picked up the words Jesus said to the rich man, as per the Bible record.

Yes, but WHY? So he can learn what Jesus didn't say ? So that he can "thoroughly know" the words that replaced the TRUE words of Jesus that have in fact been lost? Is that no like saying to a hungry man "Look closely at the chicken, I want you to thoroughly know that what you are looking at isn't really chicken (the chicken was lost)"

why do you want him to "read thoroughly" alleged copies of copies of what has (according to you) been long lost ?

JW

[OneJack]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #236]

Let him speak for himself; ours is a different mode of reasoning in this case.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #236]

Let him speak for himself; ours is a different mode of reasoning in this case.

I'm not speaking for him, I'm speaking for myself asking you a question as to why you said we can read the words of the Lord in the bible when you have also stated to me there are no words of God in the bible as they were all lost.

why did you say "read thoroughly" alleged copies of copies of what has (according to you) been long lost ?

[OneJack]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #236]

Let him speak for himself; ours is a different mode of reasoning in this case.

I'm not speaking for him, I'm speaking for myself asking you a question as to why you said we can read the words of the Lord in the bible when you have also stated to me there are no words of God in the bible as they were all lost.

why did you say "read thoroughly" alleged copies of copies of what has (according to you) been long lost ?

You don’t get me until now; what you responded to was for him, not for you.

[JehovahsWitness]

[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #236]

Let him speak for himself; ours is a different mode of reasoning in this case.

I'm not speaking for him, I'm speaking for myself asking you a question as to why you said we can read the words of the Lord in the bible when you have also stated to me there are no words of God in the bible as they were all lost.

why did you say "read thoroughly" alleged copies of copies of what has (according to you) been long lost ?

You don’t get me until now; what you responded to was for him, not for you.

This is a pubic forum and anyone can read and respond to what you wrote. I am responding to what you wrote because it puzzles me you would say "read what the Lord said in the bible" when you have gone on record stating that we CANNOT read anything of what the Lord said because his words have been lost. You are free to correct me and confirm that you believe the bible DOES have some of the words of the Lord, but up to now you have been quite adamant that the words of God has been lost (see the quotation above for your verbatum words in that regard).

It is a contradiction I would like you to explain. You are of course free not to respond but I think it is a reasonable question for me to ask about something you have written regardless of whom you were addressing at the time.

Again you are free not to respond should that be your wish but the question remains.