Do other religions have any notion of suffering being for good?
Christianity seems to be clear that God uses suffering for our good. Do other religions have any notion of this? How do they handle suffering?
Do other religions have any notion of suffering being for good?
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Do other religions have any notion of suffering being for good?
Post #1Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
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Re: Do other religions have any notion of suffering being for good?
Post #21[Replying to A Freeman in post #20]
Can you without bible quotes or capitalising or bolding letters in a simple paragraph explain this.
If Karma is real then how did the sinless, perfect Jesus, who therefore had perfect karma end up dying on a cross (which I imagine only happens to someone with bad karma)?
Like just give me a simple, plain rational answer.
Can you without bible quotes or capitalising or bolding letters in a simple paragraph explain this.
If Karma is real then how did the sinless, perfect Jesus, who therefore had perfect karma end up dying on a cross (which I imagine only happens to someone with bad karma)?
Like just give me a simple, plain rational answer.
Proverbs 18:17 The one who states his case first seems right, until the other comes and examines him.
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Re: Do other religions have any notion of suffering being for good?
Post #22You seem to have it stuck in your mind that there are such things as "good karma" and "bad karma". There aren't. This misconception is preventing you from understanding what karma (aka sowing and reaping, just desserts, divine justice) actually is and how it works.Wootah wrote: ↑Thu May 29, 2025 6:46 pm [Replying to A Freeman in post #20]
Can you without bible quotes or capitalising or bolding letters in a simple paragraph explain this.
If Karma is real then how did the sinless, perfect Jesus, who therefore had perfect karma end up dying on a cross (which I imagine only happens to someone with bad karma)?
Like just give me a simple, plain rational answer.
Karma is simply a term used to describe the fact that our actions (and our thoughts/intentions and words) have consequences. Cause and effect. When our actions are good in God's Eyes (in accordance with His Law, and therefore unselfish), we are rewarded. When our actions are evil (against God's Law, and therefore selfish), we suffer the consequences/punishment for those evil/sinful/unlawful actions. Karma therefore is the Divine Judgment of our actions, used to teach and to administer justice, and thus is independent of our thoughts, words and actions.
So, in direct answer to your question, bearing the above in mind:
Christ-Jesus was/is the perfect example of how each of us should be, and thus was teaching us not only by word, but by His actions. No one made Christ suffer the pain and agony of the crucifixion, nor was the crucifixion a punishment for His actions. It was a selfless action that Christ knowingly and willingly entered into of His own free-will, to pay the price for our past sins and to physically show us that there is spiritual Life after the death of the human body.
Paying off someone else's debts is a kind, generous action that God will always reward in eternal time. Similarly, showing one's gratitude for having had their debts paid off by doing the same for others, or meeting their needs in whatever lawful way presents itself, would likewise be an action that God will always reward. God's Will is that we unselfishly treat one another with the love and respect that everyone deserves, in accordance with His Perfect Law.
If/when we do the exact opposite, by choosing to be hateful and do evil to others, we can and should expect to be punished for it. That way we learn from our errors. And every time we learn something new about how to be good, we take another step closer to our example in Christ, and get to know God and His Christ a little better, reaping exactly what we sow.