Do other religions have any notion of suffering being for good?

[Wootah]

Do other religions have any notion of suffering being for good?

Christianity seems to be clear that God uses suffering for our good. Do other religions have any notion of this? How do they handle suffering?

[A Freeman]

[Replying to A Freeman in post #9]

Karma is God's Perfect Divine Justice being visited upon each and every one of us, who WILL be held accountable for ALL of our thoughts, words and deeds/actions on Judgement Day, for this human lifetime and all of our previous ones as well.

And so when you see someone drowning according to their karma, do you:

not help and let God's divine karmic justice will be done help

or help and by helping you are saying God's justice is wrong.

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Historically people that believed in karma and were having a good life left self justified and did not help others.

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God allows his righteousness to shine on the godly and ungodly for now.

Luke 13:13 Now there were some present at that time who told Jesus about the Galileans whose blood Pilate had mixed with their sacrifices. 2 Jesus answered, “Do you think that these Galileans were worse sinners than all the other Galileans because they suffered this way? 3 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish. 4 Or those eighteen who died when the tower in Siloam fell on them—do you think they were more guilty than all the others living in Jerusalem? 5 I tell you, no! But unless you repent, you too will all perish.”

A rejection of karma from Jesus.

Just throw out the karma mate ... and you will get good karma.

Christ on karma:

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into The Kingdom of heaven; ONLY he that doeth the Will of my Father which is in heaven.

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of Man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his WORKS.

If Father (God) places a drowning man within your reach and means to save, do you really believe He would do that so you could sit idly by and watch them drown? Particularly given we were sent here to learn to destroy our selfish, evil (sinful/criminal) ways?

And if someone was hard-hearted enough to believe that, would it not be Divine Justice (perfect karma) for them to reap exactly what they have sown if the roles were later reversed?

Historically we have been extremely stiff-necked, arrogant and obstinate people, who go against what the Commandments and the guidance Father sends us via His Holy Spirit in the moment. Including His COMMANDments to come out of ALL organized religions, all of which are working for Lucifer/Satan, to con people into doing their own selfish will (Satan's will really) instead of Father's Will.

The lesson is simple: Throw out ALL of the preconceived ("historical") notions that people have been programmed by their particular organized religious affiliation to accept, and learn to DO what is right, just and good in Father's Eyes. Only then will one see that karma is an irrefutable fact.

Deuteronomy 12:8 Ye shall NOT do after all [the things] that we do here this day, every man whatsoever [is] right in his own eyes.

[Wootah]

If Father (God) places a drowning man within your reach and means to save, do you really believe He would do that so you could sit idly by and watch them drown? Particularly given we were sent here to learn to destroy our selfish, evil (sinful/criminal) ways?

And if someone was hard-hearted enough to believe that, would it not be Divine Justice (perfect karma) for them to reap exactly what they have sown if the roles were later reversed?

Good. I am glad you reject karma.

[A Freeman]

If Father (God) places a drowning man within your reach and means to save, do you really believe He would do that so you could sit idly by and watch them drown? Particularly given we were sent here to learn to destroy our selfish, evil (sinful/criminal) ways?

And if someone was hard-hearted enough to believe that, would it not be Divine Justice (perfect karma) for them to reap exactly what they have sown if the roles were later reversed?

Good. I am glad you reject karma.

Do you feel you are being clever by being deceitful?

Divine Justice = perfect karma = sowing and reaping = just desserts.

We will all be judged according to our works (whether our actions are good or whether they continue to be evil/selfish).

Seek truth and be honest in ALL things. Including the truth about one's "self".

[Wootah]

If Father (God) places a drowning man within your reach and means to save, do you really believe He would do that so you could sit idly by and watch them drown? Particularly given we were sent here to learn to destroy our selfish, evil (sinful/criminal) ways?

And if someone was hard-hearted enough to believe that, would it not be Divine Justice (perfect karma) for them to reap exactly what they have sown if the roles were later reversed?

Good. I am glad you reject karma.

Do you feel you are being clever by being deceitful?

Divine Justice = perfect karma = sowing and reaping = just desserts.

We will all be judged according to our works (whether our actions are good or whether they continue to be evil/selfish).

Seek truth and be honest in ALL things. Including the truth about one's "self".

I am bringing you back to truth.

https://www.gotquestions.org/karma.html

The worst part is that those that think they have good karma are furthest from God. Think of the Pharisees. Think of the parable of the prodigal son (the second son who thought he was good was actually jealous and furthest from God).

Karma is from the devil in my opinion for the reasons stated above. A quote of mine I like: There are no good people in heaven.

The devil loves people to think they have good karma (then they will not seek Jesus). The devil loves people to think they have bad karma (then they will work harder to be good or just give up).

This is a serious topic and I am calling you to look at how I spotted how quickly you did not face the full ramifications of karma as evil.

edit: Also - what of all the verses in the Bible about God using suffering for our good? How does that even begin to fit into the idea of karma.

[The Tanager]

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[A Freeman]

If Father (God) places a drowning man within your reach and means to save, do you really believe He would do that so you could sit idly by and watch them drown? Particularly given we were sent here to learn to destroy our selfish, evil (sinful/criminal) ways?

And if someone was hard-hearted enough to believe that, would it not be Divine Justice (perfect karma) for them to reap exactly what they have sown if the roles were later reversed?

Good. I am glad you reject karma.

Do you feel you are being clever by being deceitful?

Divine Justice = perfect karma = sowing and reaping = just desserts.

We will all be judged according to our works (whether our actions are good or whether they continue to be evil/selfish).

Seek truth and be honest in ALL things. Including the truth about one's "self".

I am bringing you back to truth.

https://www.gotquestions.org/karma.html

The worst part is that those that think they have good karma are furthest from God. Think of the Pharisees. Think of the parable of the prodigal son (the second son who thought he was good was actually jealous and furthest from God).

Karma is from the devil in my opinion for the reasons stated above. A quote of mine I like: There are no good people in heaven.

The devil loves people to think they have good karma (then they will not seek Jesus). The devil loves people to think they have bad karma (then they will work harder to be good or just give up).

This is a serious topic and I am calling you to look at how I spotted how quickly you did not face the full ramifications of karma as evil.

edit: Also - what of all the verses in the Bible about God using suffering for our good? How does that even begin to fit into the idea of karma.

Galatians 6:7 Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, THAT shall he also reap.

Anyone who calls karma -- aka perfect Divine Justice/sowing and reaping/just desserts -- evil, is calling God (Who is Good) evil.

Isaiah 5:20-21
5:20 Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for Light, and Light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!
5:21 Woe unto [them that are] wise in their own eyes, and prudent in their own sight!

[A Freeman]

A simple example of karma in the true teachings of Jesus:

John 5:1-14 (Jesus healing the man near Bethesda pool who had been lame for 38 years as a punishment for his sins)
5:1 After this there was a feast of the Jews; and Jesus went up to Jerusalem.
5:2 Now there is at Jerusalem by the sheep [market] a pool, which is called in the Hebrew tongue Bethesda, having five porches.
5:3 In these lay a great multitude of impotent folk, of blind, halt, withered, waiting for the moving of the water.
5:4 For an angel went down at a certain season into the pool, and troubled the water: whosoever then first after the troubling of the water stepped in was made whole of whatsoever disease he had.
5:5 And a certain man was there, which had an infirmity thirty and eight years.
5:6 When Jesus saw him lie, and knew that he had been now a long time [in that case], he saith unto him, Wilt thou be made whole?
5:7 The impotent man answered him, Sir, I have no man, when the water is troubled, to put me into the pool: but while I am coming, another steppeth down before me.
5:8 Jesus saith unto him, Rise, take up thy bed, and walk.
5:9 And immediately the man was made whole, and took up his bed, and walked: and on the same day was the Sabbath.
5:10 The Jews therefore said unto him that was cured, It is the Sabbath day: it is not lawful for thee to carry [thy] bed.
5:11 He answered them, He that made me whole, the same said unto me, Take up thy bed, and walk.
5:12 Then asked they him, What man is that which said unto thee, Take up thy bed, and walk?
5:13 And he that was healed wist not who it was: for Jesus had conveyed himself away, a multitude being in [that] place.
5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in The Temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a WORSE thing come unto thee.

It should be self-evident from the above story that sickness is a punishment for sin. See also: Deuteronomy 28:15-68. Rewards/blessings for keeping God's Law coupled with punishments/curses for breaking God's Law (sinning - 1 John 3:4), encourages us to stop sinning/breaking The Law.

This is why the Disciples were curious about the man who was BORN blind, and asked Jesus to explain it.

John 9:1-3
9:1 And as [Jesus] passed by, he saw a man which was blind from [his] birth. (re-incarnation)
9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did SIN, THIS MAN, or his parents, that he was BORN blind?
9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

The man was born blind as a punishment for the sins of his past life or lives, to humble the spiritual-Being/soul inside of the blind man.

Until it is clearly understood that we are spiritual-Beings that are only temporarily incarnated inside of the human body we see in the mirror, NOTHING in Scripture can be correctly understood, as Christ, through the mouth of Jesus, also taught:

John 3:3-7
3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born from above, he cannot SEE The Kingdom of God.
3:4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born?
3:5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water (human) and then is born (later) from above as his spirit-"Being" (his REAL self which is NOT human), he can NOT enter into The Kingdom of God (Who is a Spirit-"Being").
3:6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh/human; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit (a spirit-"Being") - (a human+Being).
3:7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.

[Wootah]

If Father (God) places a drowning man within your reach and means to save, do you really believe He would do that so you could sit idly by and watch them drown? Particularly given we were sent here to learn to destroy our selfish, evil (sinful/criminal) ways?

And if someone was hard-hearted enough to believe that, would it not be Divine Justice (perfect karma) for them to reap exactly what they have sown if the roles were later reversed?

Good. I am glad you reject karma.

Do you feel you are being clever by being deceitful?

Divine Justice = perfect karma = sowing and reaping = just desserts.

We will all be judged according to our works (whether our actions are good or whether they continue to be evil/selfish).

Seek truth and be honest in ALL things. Including the truth about one's "self".

I am bringing you back to truth.

https://www.gotquestions.org/karma.html

The worst part is that those that think they have good karma are furthest from God. Think of the Pharisees. Think of the parable of the prodigal son (the second son who thought he was good was actually jealous and furthest from God).

Karma is from the devil in my opinion for the reasons stated above. A quote of mine I like: There are no good people in heaven.

The devil loves people to think they have good karma (then they will not seek Jesus). The devil loves people to think they have bad karma (then they will work harder to be good or just give up).

This is a serious topic and I am calling you to look at how I spotted how quickly you did not face the full ramifications of karma as evil.

edit: Also - what of all the verses in the Bible about God using suffering for our good? How does that even begin to fit into the idea of karma.

Please quote my post and refute my words.

And to add to them. When Jesus was crucified ... how can the most righteous man receive such bad karma?

[A Freeman]

If Father (God) places a drowning man within your reach and means to save, do you really believe He would do that so you could sit idly by and watch them drown? Particularly given we were sent here to learn to destroy our selfish, evil (sinful/criminal) ways?

And if someone was hard-hearted enough to believe that, would it not be Divine Justice (perfect karma) for them to reap exactly what they have sown if the roles were later reversed?

Good. I am glad you reject karma.

Do you feel you are being clever by being deceitful?

Divine Justice = perfect karma = sowing and reaping = just desserts.

We will all be judged according to our works (whether our actions are good or whether they continue to be evil/selfish).

Seek truth and be honest in ALL things. Including the truth about one's "self".

I am bringing you back to truth.

No, you are doing the exact opposite, unwittingly or otherwise, by trying to call good evil and evil good, etc., as was previously pointed out to you.

https://www.gotquestions.org/karma.html

Matthew 15:13-14
15:13 But he answered and said, Every plant, which my heavenly Father hath NOT planted, shall be rooted up.
15:14 Let them alone: they be blind leaders of the blind. And if the blind lead the blind, both shall fall into the ditch (or Pit).

The worst part is that those that think they have good karma are furthest from God. Think of the Pharisees. Think of the parable of the prodigal son (the second son who thought he was good was actually jealous and furthest from God).

Karma is from the devil in my opinion for the reasons stated above. A quote of mine I like: There are no good people in heaven.

All exactly upside down and backwards.

There are no good people ON Earth, because God doesn't keep good people imprisoned here in hell (planet Earth).

Psalm 53:1-4
53:1 <To the chief Musician upon Mahalath, Maschil, [A Psalm] of David.> The fool hath said in his heart, [There is] no God. Corrupt are they, and have done abominable iniquity: [there is] NONE that doeth good.
53:2 God looked down from heaven upon the children of men, to see if there were [any] that did understand, that did seek God.
53:3 Every one of them is gone back: they are altogether become filthy; [there is] NONE that doeth good, no, not one.
53:4 Have the workers of iniquity no knowledge? Who eat up my people [as] they eat bread: they have not called upon God.

Luke 11:13 If ye then, BEING EVIL, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall [your] heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask Him?

And again, karma is God's Divine Justice, where people reap exactly what they sow (Galatians 6:7)

Psalm 94:22-23
94:22 But the "I AM" is my defence; and my God [is] the rock of my refuge.
94:23 And He shall bring upon them their own iniquity, and shall cut them off in their own wickedness; [yea], the "I AM" our God shall cut them off.

The devil loves people to think they have good karma (then they will not seek Jesus).

Again, the exact opposite is true.

It is the devil who has CONNED people into believing that karma isn't real, or that Jesus didn't teach karma, to prevent them from learning and digesting the TRUE Teachings of Christ.

Matthew 16:27 For the Son of Man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his WORKS.

John 5:14 Afterward Jesus findeth him in The Temple, and said unto him, Behold, thou art made whole: sin no more, lest a WORSE thing come unto thee.

That way the devil can dupe people into believing that we will allegedly be rewarded for being criminals (sinners), even though the Gospel Truth of Christ HINGES UPON REPENTANCE. For if one doesn't repent of their sins/crimes (stop sinning/committing crimes), they have no hope of salvation.

Mark 1:14
1:14 Now after that John was put in prison, Jesus came into Galilee, preaching the gospel of "The KINGDOM" of God,
1:15 And saying, The time is fulfilled, and "The KINGDOM" of God is at hand: repent ye, and believe the gospel.

And what did Christ-Jesus teach in the Gospel (Good News) message? That we are spiritual-Beings that have been here many times, throughout many human lifetimes (Reincarnation/regeneration - Matt. 19:28), and have been rewarded (or punished) according to our WORKS throughout ALL of our previous human lifetimes.

John 9:1-3
9:1 And as [Jesus] passed by, he saw a man which was blind from [his] birth. (re-incarnation)
9:2 And his disciples asked him, saying, Master, who did SIN, THIS MAN, or his parents, that he was BORN blind?
9:3 Jesus answered, Neither hath this man sinned, nor his parents: but that the works of God should be made manifest in him*.

*There is no way the human was being punished with blindness for sins he committed, as he was BORN blind. So the sins that SOUL was being punished for, were very obviously sins from his PAST lifetime or lifetimes, to teach that SOUL the humility and lessons it NEEDED to learn, to prepare it for Judgement Day, when ALL of us are due to be judged (by Christ - John 5:22).

Again, perfect karma/divine justice, that the works of God should be made manifest in him.

The devil loves people to think they have bad karma (then they will work harder to be good or just give up).

"Karma" is nothing more than being rewarded for doing good, or punished for doing evil, according to God's PERFECT Law (Deut. 28). So again, you have it upside down and backwards.

Do you reward a child for misbehaving? Or punish a child for doing good? A child is punished for misbehaving to correct their errant behaviour, so they learn the right way to behave and are encouraged to do the right thing.

Everyone SHOULD be working harder to be good (striving for perfection really), because to do otherwise is to be content with being evil, and/or to shun correction (continue being an unrepentant sinner/criminal).

Ezekiel 18:20-22
18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall DIE. The son shall not bear the inequity of the father, neither shall the father bear the inequity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him*.
18:21 But IF the wicked will turn from all his sins that he hath committed, and keep all My Statutes, and do that which is lawful and right, he shall surely live, he shall not die.
18:22 All his transgressions that he hath committed, they shall not be mentioned unto him: in his righteousness that he hath done he shall LIVE.

*Perfect karma/reaping what we sow/divine justice.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin [is] DEATH (Eze. 18:4); but the gift of God [is] eternal Life through Jesus Christ our Lord (by putting His Teachings into practice in our lives).

1 John 3:4-10
3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also The Law: for sin is the transgression of The Law.
3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our (past) sins; and in him is no sin.
3:6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
3:7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he (Christ) is righteous.
3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the Beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
3:9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for His seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.
3:10 In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever DOETH NOT righteousness is NOT of God, neither he that loveth not his brother.

We are the children of Whom/whom we choose to obey. If we choose to obey God, then we are His Children, and are rewarded for that obedience with Wisdom and Guidance via His Holy Spirit (Acts 5:32).

If, on the other hand, we continue listening to and obeying Lucifer/Satan/Iblis (the devil/liar), then we are his children. We are the children of Whom/whom we choose to obey.

This is a serious topic and I am calling you to look at how I spotted how quickly you did not face the full ramifications of karma as evil.

Karma itself cannot be evil, as it is the DIVINE JUDGEMENT of our works/actions (whether they are good or evil in God's Eyes, and according to God's Law).

As it can clearly be seen, that The Word of God (both the written Word and the Word made flesh) teaches both reincarnation and karma, so anyone claiming that karma/divine justice (God's Judgements) are somehow evil has clearly been duped into believing that LIE (from the devil). God's Judgements are PERFECT, just as God Himself IS Perfect.

It is the thoughts, words and ACTIONS of people that are good or evil. You are confusing the manifestation of God's Divine Judgements with the righteous or sinful/criminal acts that prompted God's Judgements.

edit: Also - what of all the verses in the Bible about God using suffering for our good? How does that even begin to fit into the idea of karma.

Very simply put: without God's LOVING correction, we would ALL be headed for The Fire, which awaits most of mankind on Judgement Day (the walking "dead" - Matt. 8:22).

Proverbs 3:11-12
3:11 My son, despise not the chastening of the "I AM"; neither be weary of His correction:
3:12 For whom the "I AM" loveth He correcteth; even as a father the son [in whom] he delighteth.

Hebrews 12:2-9
12:2 Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of [our] faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the Throne of God.
12:3 For consider him that endured such contradiction of sinners against himself, lest ye be wearied and faint in your minds.
12:4 Ye have not yet resisted unto blood, striving against sin.
12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you as unto children, My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked by Him:
12:6 For whom the Lord loveth He chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom He receiveth.
12:7 IF ye endure chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom the father chasteneth not?
12:8 But if ye be without chastisement, whereof all are sharers, then are ye bastards, and not sons.
12:9 Furthermore we have had fathers of our flesh which corrected [us], and we gave [them] reverence: shall we not much rather be in subjection unto the Father of Spirits, and LIVE?

Please quote my post and refute my words.

As above please, as you've requested. If you require further confirmation through Scripture, please see the articles at the following hyperlinks:

Reincarnation is an Irrefutable Fact

Karma is an Irrefutable Fact

And to add to them. When Jesus was crucified ... how can the most righteous man receive such bad karma?

It wasn't "bad karma"; it was the exact opposite.

IT WAS SACRIFICE AND SUFFERING FOR THE GOOD OF EVERYONE, WHICH CHRIST WAS REWARDED FOR DOING (see Hebrews 12:2-9 cited above).

It not only paid the awful price for our past sins (Rom. 3:25), without which each and everyone of us (the Soul/spiritual-Being) would be destined for The Fire; it taught us, by example, how we too must be willing to sacrifice/crucify "the self" (the ego) DAILY, as Christ taught (and as the apostles learned, including Paul).

John 15:13 Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down his "Self" life for his friends.

[A Freeman]

See: viewtopic.php?p=1170370#p1170370

On the topic of "self" sacrifice i.e. learning to crucify the ego/"self" DAILY, as Christ teaches.

As further proof that the individuals at "Got Questions" are the spiritually "blind leading the blind" exactly as Christ warned, please consider their nonsensical conclusions as to the alleged meaning of Hebrews 9:27.

Excerpt below from:
https://www.gotquestions.org/karma.html

"Hebrews 9:27 states, “Just as man is destined to die once, and after that to face judgment…” This Bible verse makes clear two important points which, for Christians, negate the possibility of reincarnation and karma. First, it states that we are “destined to die once,” meaning that humans are only born once and only die once. There is no endless cycle of life and death and rebirth, an idea inherent in the reincarnation theory. Second, it states that after death we face judgment, meaning that there is no second chance, like there is in reincarnation and karma, to live a better life. You get one shot at life and living it according to God’s plan, and that is it. "

All of this is, of course, upside down and backwards, as should become self-evident by a careful examination of both of these points.


Point #1: "Once to die"

KJV – Hebrews 9:27-28
9:27 And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but then after this The Judgment:
9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

To assume the phrase “once to die” in Hebrews 9:27 is referring to human death, is to wrongly assume the verse is inaccurate (i.e. a LIE).

Enoch didn't even die once.

Genesis 5:23-24
5:23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he [was] not; for God took him.

Hebrews 11:5 By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.

And neither did Elijah.

2 kings 2:11 And it came to pass, as they still went on, and talked, that, behold, [there appeared] a chariot of fire, and horses of fire, and parted them both asunder; and Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven.

Also recorded in Scripture were MANY humans who were raised from the dead, and thus experienced physical human death TWICE.

1) God raised (through Elijah) Zarephath's son (1 kings 17:17-24);
2) God raised (through Elisha) the Shunammite woman's son (2 kings 4:18-36);
3) God raised (through contact with Elisha's body) the Israelite man when the Moabites invaded (2 kings 13:20-21);
4) God raised (through Jesus) the widow's son from the city of Nain (Luke 7:11-17);
5) God raised (through Jesus) Jairus' daughter (Luke 8:49-56);
6) God raised (through Jesus) Lazarus (John 11:1-44);
7) God raised MANY when Jesus died and the Temple Veil rent in two (Matt. 27:50-54);
8) God raised (through Peter) Tabitha (Acts 9:36-42); and
9) God raised (through Paul) Eutychus (Acts 20:7-12).

Of course there have been many since then who have died and been revived, and have shared accounts of their out-of-body experiences too. These experiences have been relabeled as "NDEs" (near death experiences), even though the body physically died for a period of time.

It should therefore be self-evident that Hebrews 9:27 cannot possibly be referring to physical human death, because physical human death does NOT always occur only once.

Hebrews 9:27 is very obviously referring to the death of the "self", that both Jesus and Paul spoke about (e.g. Luke 9:23; 14:26-27; Gal. 2:20), when someone is truly and spiritually reborn of God as their true, spiritual self (John 3:3-7). Being reborn from above (1 John 3:9) MUST occur before Judgment Day, when Christ will separate His Sheep from the goats.

King of kings’ Bible – Hebrews 9:27-28
9:27 And as it is appointed unto (the "Self" of) men once to die, but then after this The Judgment:
9:28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.


Point #2: "then after this the Judgment"

If everyone faced Judgment at the death of the human body, then why would there be any need for Judgment Day? It also logically follows that there should be some people already in heaven. Instead, we are told that NO ONE has ever gone to heaven except for Christ, Who came from heaven and that Christ will judge ALL of us on The Last Day; Judgment Day.

John 3:13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, [even] the Son of Man which is from heaven.

John 5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son (Enoch 58:1; 60:11; 68:39):

Romans 14:10 But why dost thou judge thy brother? Or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? For we shall ALL stand before the Judgement Seat of Christ.

Matthew 12:37-38
12:36 But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they SHALL give account thereof in The Day of Judgment.
12:37 For by thy words thou shalt be justified, and by thy words thou shalt be condemned.


Conclusion:

It should be self-evident from the above explanations that the so-called expert of "Christianity" is dead wrong on both of their points, and thus are obviously dead wrong about reincarnation and karma too. No wonder Christ referred to the so-called leaders and experts of organized religion as "the blind leading the blind". They can't even count to one, and are absolutely clueless as to what real SPIRITUAL Life is (John 3:3-7).

To think that God—Who is immortal, lives in eternity, is merciful and long-suffering that all might come to repentance—only gives a miserly seventy years (or less) out of the whole of eternity to get it right, or burn (in The Fire – the second death), is not only totally illogical and an insult to God, but further proof of not learning what NEEDS to be learned: the TRUTH about reincarnation and divine justice (karma). How can giving us seventy years (or less) out of eternity be considered long-suffering? Six thousand years is what God considers long-suffering.