What's wrong with being gay?

[Daedalus X]

This thread is a continuation of an off topic conversation from here.

First, I think that we all agree that it's important to promote understanding, respect, and equality for all individuals, regardless of their sexual orientation. Everyone should be treated with dignity and allowed to express their identity without fear of discrimination or harm.


Question for debate is LGTBQIA2S+ a harmless social contagion, or are there serious unintended consequences awaiting the individuals and societies that are going down this road?

[FrankieRelax]

Never seen anywhere in the Bible where it says that being a non-Christian is a capital crime. In fact, ALL organized religion -- including "Christianity" -- along with their priests, pastors, rabbis and imams, etc., are repeatedly condemned throughout Scripture.

Perhaps you would be so kind as to point out where you read that being a non-Christian is a capital crime please?

Have you even read the bible?

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be put to death. Exodus 22:19

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. 2 Chronicles 15:12-13

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. ...you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. (Deuteronomy 13:13-14

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. Deuteronomy 13:7-12

Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. Deuteronomy 17:2-5

But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me. Luke 19:27

According to stupid human illogic, "the punishment should fit the crime.” The punishment should PREVENT the crime, and lessening the punishment actually ENCOURAGES crime. That's why homosexuality is a capital crime; to PREVENT it.

so its better to kill them while they are still children?

[oldbadger]

He expects us to keep ALL of His Law too, which He gave to us for our own benefit, to protect us from evil and to set and keep us free.

But you don't!
Instead you seem to want to insist that people outside your religion should be made to obey all his laws. That shows all readers how dangerous it can be if a religion takes over a whole community.

Not true. And yes, it was very weak on your part to suggest that. Posts to this thread -- which wasn't personally started -- are supposed to remain on topic, aren't they? If you would like to discuss another matter, other than homosexuality and what is very obviously wrong with being a homosexual, then please feel free to start another thread.

I asked you a question!

Regardless of whether we look at Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic, SIN = CRIME, i.e. breaking The Law. That's exactly how it is defined throughout the Old Covenant/Testament, New Covenant/Testament and which is confirmed in the Koran/Quran, which are NOT religious books. At least not in the sense that word ("religion") is used today.

Sin meant 'failure', and God explained that clearly when he told the Israelites that they must keep his laws so the 'The land speweth them not out' ......if you need me to show you that then please just ask. He also explained how previous occupants of the land had failed because they didn't keep his laws.

No, I'm not a member of any of the sects of "Islam", nor any other organized religion (all of which is condemned throughout the Old Covenant/Testament, New Covenant/Testament and the Koran/Quran, nor reside in an Islamic country. If they recognize that homosexuality is a capital crime, then good for them for following God's Law, found ONLY in The Torah (the first five books of the Bible). As someone who sees the pure logic, love and wisdom in God's Perfect Law of Liberty, it only stands to reason to share it with others, as it applies to this particular thread topic, since most have been programmed to see everything upside down and backwards.

Again.........you don't keep all the Mosaic Laws!
Why not?

[A Freeman]

[Replying to A Freeman in post #409]

According to stupid human illogic, "the punishment should fit the crime.” The punishment should PREVENT the crime, and lessening the punishment actually ENCOURAGES crime. That's why homosexuality is a capital crime; to PREVENT it.

Then shouldn't something PREVENT innocent children from contracting HIV from their mothers during pregnancy so they won't be wrongfully punished with AIDS?

.....unless, rather than being some "meet recompence" for sin, AIDS is a malady we should try to cure in the course of loving our neighbor as ourselves?

Excerpt below from:
Does HIV exist?

My first book, AIDS INC., was published in 1988. The research I engaged in then formed a foundation for my recent work in exposing the vast fraud called COVID-19.

In 1987-88, my main question eventually became: does HIV cause AIDS? For months, I had blithely assumed the obvious answer was yes. This created havoc in my investigation, because I was facing contradictions I couldn’t solve.

For example, in parts of Africa, people who were chronically ill and dying obviously needed no push from a new virus. All their “AIDS” conditions and symptoms could be explained by their environment: contaminated water supplies; sewage pumped directly into the drinking water; protein-calorie malnutrition; hunger, starvation; medical treatment with immunosuppressive vaccines and drugs; toxic pesticides; fertile farm land stolen by corporations and governments; wars; extreme poverty. The virus cover story actually obscured all these ongoing crimes.

Finally, in the summer of 1987, I found several researchers who were rejecting the notion that HIV caused AIDS. Their reports were persuasive.

I’m shortcutting a great deal of my 1987-8 investigation here, but once HIV was out of the picture for me, many pieces fell into place. I discovered that, in EVERY group supposedly at “high-risk” for AIDS, their conditions and symptoms could be entirely explained by factors that had nothing to do with a new virus.

AIDS was not one condition. It was an umbrella label, used to re-package a number of immunosuppressive conditions and create the illusion of a new and unique and single “pandemic.”

Several years after the publication of AIDS INC., I became aware of a quite different emerging debate going on under the surface of research: DOES HIV EXIST?

Was the purported virus ever truly discovered?

And THAT question led to: what is the correct procedure for discovering a new virus?

The following 1997 interview, conducted by brilliant freelance journalist, Christine Johnson, delves into these questions:

How should researchers prove that a particular virus exists? How should they isolate it? What are the correct steps?

These questions, and their answers, reside at the heart of most disease research—and yet, overwhelmingly, doctors never explore them or even consider them.

[A Freeman]

[Replying to A Freeman in post #409]

According to stupid human illogic, "the punishment should fit the crime.” The punishment should PREVENT the crime, and lessening the punishment actually ENCOURAGES crime. That's why homosexuality is a capital crime; to PREVENT it.

Then shouldn't something PREVENT innocent children from contracting HIV from their mothers during pregnancy so they won't be wrongfully punished with AIDS?

.....unless, rather than being some "meet recompence" for sin, AIDS is a malady we should try to cure in the course of loving our neighbor as ourselves?

And, along the same lines, the excerpt below is from:
Deadly Deception

The History of the AIDS Epidemic
excerpt from Deadly Deception

1994

HIV does not cause AIDS.... The point that everyone is missing is that all of those original papers Gallo wrote on HIV have been found fraudulent.... The HIV hypothesis was based on those papers. — Peter Duesberg

How the Lie Began

In 1980, Dr. Robert Gallo, a retrovirologist with the National Cancer Institute, discovered the first human retrovirus (HTLV-I). A retrovirus is distinguished from an ordinary virus by virtue of the fact that its RNA is converted to DNA by an enzyme called reverse transcriptase. Its replication and survival is totally dependent on the viability of the host cell. If the host cell dies, the virus is finished. Dr. Gallo knew this basic fact; however, he would soon purposely ignore this fact in order to serve his own needs by claiming that the virus was very "mysterious". Somehow it would mysteriously survive while mysteriously slaughtering T-cells by the millions (this has never been observed). He had contended in the past, but failed to prove, that the very same retrovirus (HTLV-I) caused a specific type of leukemia which was occuring in Japan. The power of position, that of being a top government official and scientist, has allowed the erroneous label of "leukemia virus" to remain intact even though it was rejected by the scientific community.

In 1981, it was proposed that an acquired immune deficiency was the basis for a new syndrome of diseases (AIDS) that appeared to be surfacing amongst promiscuous male homosexuals and intravenous drug users. Dr. David Durack, of Duke University, a recognized expert on infectious diseases and the immune system, though admitting the prevalence of drug use (particular "poppers" or amyl nitrites) and repeated multiple infections, ignored these well-known causes of immune deficiency and announced that this "truly new syndrome" must be due to "some new factor". Continuously this group of scientists has resorted to theory, not fact, as to how the AIDS virus supposedly accomplishes its dirty deeds. The words, "it is thought", are constantly used in casual conversations or in the non-scientific articles and popular magazines and books. In the scientific journals or at lectures the theory is presented as established fact although there are no facts involved. It is portrayed as an established truth and therefore is accepted as such by most scientists, including physicians. The so-called HIV virus is still referred to as a "new" virus in spite of the indisputable evidence to the contrary. Incorrectly, the virus has been characterized as "attacking" or "infiltrating" the immune system, when in reality this is impossible because it is not alive and does not invade. Retroviruses are engulfed by the cells and incorporated into the cell's life processes.

In 1983, Dr. Gallo embarked on a mission to convince his fellow scientists, in the absence of any scientific experimental proof whatsoever, that another virus he had discovered caused AIDS. At a widely publicized press conference held in Washington, D.C. on April 23, 1984, Dr. Gallo announced that he had discovered the cause of AIDS. He claimed the unearthing of a new retrovirus which he had named HTLV-III, thus inferring that it was a member of the family of retroviruses he had previously discovered. His claim was bolstered by Margaret Heckler, Secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services, who was under great pressure to come up with some answer to the looming "epidemic". Heckler announced, "Today we add another miracle to the long honor roll of American medicine and science." She also promised that we would have a vaccine within two years, undoubtedly as a result of Dr. Gallo's grandiose urgings. That very day, Dr. Gallo filed a U.S. patent for an HIV test kit which was destined to make him very wealthy. Dr. Gallo, unquestionably very knowledgeable in retrovirology, chose to set aside the facts and became the quintessential intellectual whore. The benefits to Dr. Gallo are money and power; but the costs to humanity are suffering and countless unnecessary deaths. In contrast, street prostitutes are honest – you know what you're getting and you know the risks – and, by the way, AIDS is not one of them.

Margaret Heckler very quickly awarded the lucrative contract for AZT to Burroughs-Wellcome Pharmaceutical Company before the first scientific paper ever appeared in any U.S. journal. AZT was a drug in search of a disease. It had been sitting on the shelves of the National Institutes of Health since the 1960's. It was an experimental drug that had failed as a cancer remedy and had been declared too toxic to use. Retrovirology had gained importance because of Nixon's "War on Cancer" and the belief that a retrovirus might be the cause of cancer in humans. This approach seemed logical at the time, because retroviruses typically prompted cells to multiply – a characteristic of the cancer process. This is directly opposite to the cell destruction that normally occurs in viral infections. Not only did that war fail, AZT failed, and retrovirologists came up empty-handed after twenty years of intense and arduous research. Alas, a whole group of scientists without a reason d'etre! As you would expect, in 1986, The International Committee of Retrovirologists named HIV the cause of AIDS. By giving credence to the hypothesis in the absence of proof, they became party to the conspiracy. It is just what one would expect when frustrated unsuccessful foxes are left to guard the hen house.

Adding to Dr. Gallo's blatant disregard for all established scientific requirements for validation of his claims, it was eventually discovered that HTLV-III was a retrovirus that had been sent to Dr. Gallo more than a year before by Luc Montagnier of the Pasteur Institute in Paris. On several occasions, Montagnier had sent samples of the virus he had isolated in the blood of some AIDS patients for Gallo's evaluation. A scandal erupted and a battle ensued over the credit for the discovery and the rights to the patents. It took the intervention of the French Prime Minister Jacques Chirac and U.S. President Ronald Reagan in order to reach an agreement that resulted in the sharing of the proceeds and the credit for the discovery (recently challenged again by the French after Gallo admitted he may have made a mistake). It is truly characteristic of scoundrels to quarrel over the spoils of fraud.

It is important to point out from the beginning that the acronymn AIDS represents the official and scientific designation of the "disease", ACQUIRED IMMUNE DEFICIENCY SYNDROME, which is discussed, examined and critiqued in this book. The inevitable conclusions which a growing number of many prominent scientists have reached, and, which I am sure, you will also, is that AIDS fits neither the definition of a disease, nor of a syndrome. It is merely the lumping together of an ever-increasing number of diseases and symptoms, 25 at the last count (depending on the source), in order to fraudulently create the impression that an epidemic exists.

Keep in mind that Gallo and his cohorts have been getting away with the most elementary and unscientific ploy one could imagine. They have avoided performing scientific controlled studies that would be universally accepted as proof. Such studies would unmask their fraud. They have instead relied on fear, intimidation, sensationalism, greed, ambition, envy and the need for recognition. In this way they have coerced and stupefied an army of followers into believing what, in the past, would have been laughed at, or dismissed as coincidence and/or "anecdotal". HIV has been made the scapegoat for incompetence, and a gateway to the lifestyle of the rich, famous and powerful, for unscrupulous, immoral and incompetent scoundrels. The blitzkrieg of misinformation has obliterated from consideration even the most elementary knowledge, logic and evidence in research and disease.

We have known for more than half a century that we co-exist with many bacteria and viruses. We are well aware that potentially deadly organisms reside within us at all times, waiting only for the balance of health to be tipped in favor of "disease". Streptococcus, tuberculosis, and Pneumocystis carinii, the most common "components" of AIDS, are but a fraction of the infectious organisms that the majority of us live with constantly. Pneumocystis carinii are present in the lungs of virtually every individual on the surface of our planet. Yet, precious few of us ever get the disease they cause: pneumocystis pneumonia. This is just one of the most obvious examples of the basic and pervasive flaws in the guiding premises of "modern" medicine.

Consider, for the moment, the following questions:

When the great flu of 1919 took the lives of millions of people in the United States, Why didn't the entire population succumb?

When the great bubonic plague destroyed one-third of the population of Europe, Why didn't the other two-thirds die also?

Why didn't everyone die?

The answer:

When an epidemic destroys its susceptible population, it ceases to exist. In other words, it is the inability of the individual's immune system that determines the degree to which an individual "falls ill" or whether or not he becomes ill at all. As Pasteur is purported to have exclaimed on his deathbed, "It is not the organism; it is the terrain!" If this were not true, then everyone, in the examples cited above, would have gotten the plague or the flu and all would have died. In fact, the first disease on earth would have been the last! The deceivers of infamy have succeeded in creating a chain of events that have destroyed logic and common sense, and in their place, established the following "Commandments" for science, government, the press and the public:

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If no one has ever isolated nor observed HIV infecting healthy cells, then what is the basis for claims that it exists? And if HIV doesn't exist -- and the fact remains that it has never actually been proven to exist -- then it could not possibly cause "AIDS" which, as it says above, "is merely the lumping together of an ever-increasing number of diseases and symptoms, 25 at the last count (depending on the source), in order to fraudulently create the impression that an epidemic exists.
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We have been warned for thousands of years to STAY AWAY FROM (WITCH)DOCTORS/PHYSICIANS AND PHARMACY (e.g. Exod. 22:18; 2 Chron. 16:12-13; Gal. 5:19-21), so what is it that actually killed the homosexuals, and the mothers and their children?

A non-existent virus, or drug use, poor living choices and the chemical-pharmaceutical-medical industrial complex, that profits from human suffering?

[A Freeman]

Never seen anywhere in the Bible where it says that being a non-Christian is a capital crime. In fact, ALL organized religion -- including "Christianity" -- along with their priests, pastors, rabbis and imams, etc., are repeatedly condemned throughout Scripture.

Perhaps you would be so kind as to point out where you read that being a non-Christian is a capital crime please?

Have you even read the bible?

Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be put to death. Exodus 22:19

They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. 2 Chronicles 15:12-13

Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. ...you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. (Deuteronomy 13:13-14

If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. Deuteronomy 13:7-12

Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. Deuteronomy 17:2-5

But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me. Luke 19:27

According to stupid human illogic, "the punishment should fit the crime.” The punishment should PREVENT the crime, and lessening the punishment actually ENCOURAGES crime. That's why homosexuality is a capital crime; to PREVENT it.

so its better to kill them while they are still children?

You didn't answer the question. Where in the Bible does it tell us that being a "non-Christian" is a capital crime? Everything you've cited, e.g. serving/sacrificing to other gods would INCLUDE so-called Christians, who have accepted and worship the nonsensical, pagan/Babylonian 3=1 "trinity", which is found nowhere in Scripture.

The Covenant that God entered into was with the people Israel, NOT with "Christians" or "Muslims", or even with them which say they are "Jews" but are NOT.

As someone who has read the Bible, and the Koran/Quran, and the books that were wrongly removed from the Bible (e.g. Enoch and the Gospel account recorded by Thomas) numerous times -- and more importantly studied them and put The Law and Gospel into practice -- everything you've cited above makes perfect sense if you consider the FACT that this is a maximum security prison reform school for the criminally insane, where almost everyone believes they supposedly know better than our Creator, and can do whatever evil they want indefinitely and with impunity.

Repeating the same mistakes over and over, and expecting different results, is the classical, Einsteinian definition of insanity.

God is Love, Truth, Freedom, Justice, Mercy, Wisdom and Understanding. He is The Small, Still Voice of Voice of Reason amidst the sea of confusion that we have created for ourselves by willfully choosing to ignore His Guidance, His Law/Commandments and His Statutes and Judgments, which provide True Freedom, True Justice, True Peace and Prosperity, and True Safety and Security.

EVERYTHING evil in this world is the direct result of disobedience to His Perfect Law of Liberty. That's why we find ourselves in a state of constant war, where we are destroying the natural environment we've been provided, and each other, over creature comforts that none of us can take with us when we leave, instead of learning to share everything.

So, the question you've posed about the children should be looked at WITHOUT BIAS and LOGICALLY. IF that is done, it should be self-evident that WE are the ones poisoning, maiming and murdering our children, NOT God.

We have sacrificed our children to other gods by making gods of the public educational system, which fills their minds with rubbish.

We have sacrificed our children to other gods by making gods of the television and film industry, which likewise fills their minds with rubbish. They even call them TV "programs" and people still don't get it.

We have sacrificed our children to other gods by making gods of the doctors and chemical-pharmaceutical medical industrial complex, which fills their bodies with toxic pharmaceutical drugs and vaccines from an early age (sometimes from birth), and then poisons their drinking water, their food and their air, and pushes them to mutilate their bodies to try to change their gender.

We have sacrificed our children to other gods by making gods of the priests, pastors, rabbis, imams, etc., who fill their minds with rubbish too, in the form of their traditions, doctrines and religious superstitions, thereby ensuring that with thousands of different denominations/sects/cults, etc. they will invariably be divided and at war against one another.

We have sacrificed our children to other gods by making gods of the politicians, who unlawfully make up their own rules to make the rich richer and the poor poorer, thereby ensuring that our children grow up impoverished and enslaved to corporate fictions, including corporate fictional governments, corporate fictional organized religions, corporate fictional courts, corporate fictional policy enforcing agencies, and the rest of the corporate fictional world, all of which is based upon cannibalistic greed and materialism (a "dog eat dog" or backwards "god eat god" world).

And that includes the making up of unlawful legislation to not only allow but promotes filthy and abominable homosexuality, which has taken the lid completely off of Pandora's box for the rest of the sexual deviants, INCLUDING PAEDOPHILES.

There will be a believing remnant that sees the insanity of OUR actions, and genuinely want to change, recognizing that God is right, and always has been, and that WE NEED TO CHANGE OUR SELFISH AND EVIL WAYS. They, the believing remnant, will learn the humility required to admit they've been wrong all along, and will be redeemed from the Earth. Everyone else will burn, to purify this world, and return it to the paradise it was always meant to be, for those who genuinely love one another.

THAT is what's wrong with being homosexual, and why anyone who genuinely loves those souls -- that are trapped inside of bodies that they have lost control over -- should be warning them of the dire consequences of that unnatural and abominable lifestyle, while there is still time to repent.

Time which is rapidly running out.

[Athetotheist]

[Replying to A Freeman in post #414]

The History of the AIDS Epidemic
excerpt from Deadly Deception

1994

1994 was also the year the book's author, Robert Willner, had his Florida medical licence revoked for claiming to have cured an AIDS patient with ozone infusions.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.7992043

HIV does not cause AIDS.... The point that everyone is missing is that all of those original papers Gallo wrote on HIV have been found fraudulent.... The HIV hypothesis was based on those papers. — Peter Duesberg

"The idea that HIV may not be the cause of AIDS was suggested in the 1990s by biologist Peter Duesberg, from the University of California, Berkeley, in the USA, but completely discredited when drugs were created that prevented replication of the virus and eliminated the symptoms of the syndrome."
https://revistapesquisa.fapesp.br/en/fl ... retracted/

[A Freeman]

Logical fallacy: ad hominem

Ad hominem is a Latin term for arguments that attack the person making a claim rather than the claim itself.


Example:

Someone could foolishly argue that Jesus was "discredited" by the Jewish leaders (the Sanhedrin) who successfully manipulated the Roman government into crucifying an innocent man, to avoid discussing the veracity of His Teachings, or to put them into practice to see how they work.

It is the fate of virtually every single whistleblower to be labeled by the establishment as a nut-job -- and to use the government propaganda organ, better known as the mainstream media, to vilify the whistleblower -- than to address the actual claim being made for everyone's benefit.

It should be self-evident that the EASIEST (and most intellectually dishonest) way to mask evil deeds is to shoot the messenger delivering them.