The meaning and purpose of worship

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The meaning and purpose of worship

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What is the meaning of worship, and what is its purpose?


I’d like to hear perspectives from people of diverse backgrounds before I offer my own viewpoint, because I suspect we often misunderstand what worship truly entails.

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Re: The meaning and purpose of worship

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[Replying to A Freeman in post #9]
Worshipping our Creator BEGINS with keeping His Law, found ONLY in the first five books of the Bible, namely: Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers and Deuteronomy.
Thank you for highlighting the centrality of the Torah.
No believer who takes the Bible seriously would deny that the first five books lay the foundation for knowing and worshipping God. However, those very books also anticipate further revelation, so it seems more consistent to treat them as the beginning—not the boundary—of God’s message.

Deut 18 : 15-19 God will raise up “a prophet like me” (Moses) and will “put My words in his mouth.”
Gen 49 : 10 “The sceptre shall not depart from Judah … until Shiloh comes; to him shall be the obedience of the peoples.”
And it continues as we actively seek to DO His Will in each and every moment and decision we make.

Neither of these have anything to do with ANY organized religion. In fact, all organized religion was created by Lucifer/Satan/Iblis to deceive and people and keep them AWAY from God, thereby preventing them from DOING His Will. That's why ALL organized religion is about to be destroyed.
Islam fully agrees that Satan seeks to divert people from God:

“Satan… will surely mislead them all—except Your dedicated servants.”
—Qur’an 38 : 82-83

History shows many instances where power, politics, or culture distorted original revelation.

Islam also agree that the religion will become one again after the second coming of Jesus (You can check the full texts for a better understanding)

Qur’an 43 : 61 “He (Jesus) is a sign for the Hour; so do not doubt it, and follow Me.”
Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2937 Jesus (‘Īsā) will return, break the cross, kill the swine, abolish the jizya, “and all people will embrace one religion.”
Ṣaḥīḥ Bukhārī 3448 He will slay the Antichrist (al-Masīḥ al-Dajjāl), after which “security will prevail upon the earth.”
Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2937 (cont.) Shortly afterward Gog and Magog (Yaʾjūj & Maʾjūj) will surge forth; God will miraculously destroy them.
Qur’an 9 : 33 / 61 : 9 “He sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to make it prevail over all others, even though the polytheists dislike it.”

So Islam foresees a moment when all counterfeit structures collapse and only unadulterated devotion to God (tawḥīd) remains

Public worship in synagogues, churches, mosques, temples, etc. is repeatedly condemned throughout Scripture, as are ALL of the sects/cults/denominations, etc. that use those buildings as a store front for their various franchised corporate fictional organized religions.

So why do so many choose to ignore God's repeated warnings that only heathens and hypocrites go to church, etc.?
God Himself ordered a sanctuary “Let them make Me a sanctuary, that I may dwell among them.” (Ex 25 : 8–9)
Jesus honored those spaces and taught in synagogues—“as was His custom.” (Lk 4 : 16) and called the temple “My Father’s house.” (Jn 2 : 16)
The early church still met together “Day by day they met together in the temple courts.” (Acts 2 : 46) “Do not neglect meeting together.” (Heb 10 : 25)
Mosques are divinely sanctioned “The mosques of Allah are maintained by those who believe…” (Q 9 : 18) • “In houses which Allah permitted to be raised and that His Name be mentioned therein.” (Q 24 : 36)
Community centre, not just prayer hall • Prophet’s mosque in Madīnah hosted teaching, judicial hearings, charity distribution, even medical care (Ṣaḥīḥ Bukhārī 439, 441; Ibn Ḥibbān Secs 1685–95).
Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2937 The Prophet ﷺ said: “…He will descend near the white minaret, east of Damascus… The leader (imam) of the Muslims will invite him to lead the prayer, but he will say: ‘No—some of you are leaders over others as an honor from God to this community,’ and he will pray behind the imam.”
Sunan Abī Dāwūd 4324 / Musnad Aḥmad 37 & 38 Variations repeat the same details: descent at dawn, invitation to lead ṣalāh, Jesus declining and joining the row behind the imam.

Even in Islamic end-time prophecies, Jesus doesn’t dismantle mosques—he walks into one, declines to lead, and prays behind the Muslim imam (Ṣaḥīḥ Muslim 2937). That moment shows that buildings aren’t the problem; hollow hearts are. When sincerity returns, the same communal spaces become beacons of unity and security.

So what about hypocrisy
So why do so many choose to ignore God's repeated warnings that only heathens and hypocrites go to church, etc.?

Matthew 6:5-8
6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt NOT be as the hypocrites [ARE]: for they love to pray standing in the churches and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen by men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward (they have been seen by men, but God will not answer them).
6:6 But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and WHEN THOU HAST SHUT THY DOOR, pray to thy Father in private (Enoch 56:5; Sura 7:55); and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly (by answering you).
6:7 But when ye pray, use NOT vain repetitions, as the heathen [DO]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.
6:8 Be NOT ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, BEFORE ye ask Him.


Sura 9:107-111
9:107. And there are those who put up mosques (churches; synagogues; etc.), by way of mischief and BETRAYAL - to disunite the Believers - and in preparation for one who warred against "I AM" (Revelation 12:7) and His Messenger aforetime. They will indeed swear that their intention is nothing but good; but "I AM" doth declare that they are certainly LIARS.
9:108. Never stand thou forth therein. There is an Holy Place (Mt. Moriah) whose foundation was laid from the first day on piety; it is more worthy of the standing forth (for prayer) therein. In it are men who love to be purified; and "I AM" loveth those who make themselves pure.
9:109. Which then is best? - he that layeth his foundation on piety (a Rock - Matthew 7:24-27) to "I AM" and His Good Pleasure? - or he that layeth his foundation on an undermined sand-cliff ready to crumble to pieces? And it doth crumble to pieces with him, into The Fire of Hell. And "I AM" guideth not people that do wrong (if they are doing wrong Satan is guiding them).
9:110. The foundation of those who so build is never free from suspicion and shakiness in their hearts, until their hearts are cut to pieces. And "I AM" is All-Knowing, Wise.
9:111. "I AM" hath purchased from the Believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is The Garden (of Bliss): they fight in His Cause, and slay and are slain: a promise binding on Him in Truth, through The Law (The Torah), The Gospel (New Testament/Covenant), and The Koran: and who is more faithful to His Covenant (in the Bible) than "I AM"? Then rejoice in the bargain which ye have concluded (to fulfill The Covenant of "I AM" written in the Bible): that is the achievement supreme.

God does NOT dwell in temples made with human hands (Acts 7:48; Acts 17:24). He wants to be an invited guest in the hearts and minds of each of us, so that He can guide us and protect us every step of The Way.
Q 4 : 38 وَالَّذِينَ يُنْفِقُونَ أَمْوَالَهُمْ رِئَاءَ النَّاسِ
“And those who spend their wealth to be seen by people…”
Q 107 : 4-6
“So woe to those who pray … who show off.”
Ḥadīth Qudsi — Muslim 2577
“I am the One who has no need of partners. Whoever does a deed and associates in it someone other than Me, I abandon him and his act.”
Prophetic ḥadīth — Aḥmad (ḥasan)
“The thing I fear most for you is the minor shirk: riyāʾ.”
Charity done for show Matthew 6 : 1-4
“Be careful not to practice your righteousness in front of others to be seen by them… When you give to the needy, do not announce it with trumpets… Your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.”
Showy public prayer Matthew 6 : 5-6
“When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and on the street corners to be seen by others… Pray to your Father, who is unseen.”
Fasting for reputation Matthew 6 : 16-18
“When you fast, do not look somber… to show others you are fasting.… Your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you.”
General display of piety Matthew 23 : 5
“Everything they do is done for people to see. They make their phylacteries wide and the tassels on their garments long.”
God sees the unseen motive 1 Samuel 16 : 7
“People look at the outward appearance, but the LORD looks at the heart.”
The issue isn’t meeting in God’s houses—it’s parading your piety in public while acting the opposite in private.

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Re: The meaning and purpose of worship

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[Replying to mms20102 in post #11]

Thank-you.

It's important to realize that the Hadith -- which contradicts itself and the Koran/Quran -- was completely fabricated over 200 years after the alleged death of Muhammad in 632 AD). This is exactly why the Hadith -- and its "Shariah law" -- were condemned in the Koran/Quran:

From: The Top 10 Myths that Dominate Islam -

Sura 5:4 – Forbidden to you (for food) are: dead meat (Lev. 22:8, Deut. 14:21), blood (Lev. 3:17, Lev. 17:10-11), the flesh of swine (Deut. 14:8), and that on which hath been invoked the name of other than “I AM” (Num. 25:1-3); that which hath been killed by strangling, or by a violent blow, or by a headlong fall, or by being gored to death; that which hath been (partly) eaten by a wild animal (Lev. 22:8); unless ye are able to slaughter it (in due form) that which is sacrificed on stone (altars); (forbidden) also is the division (of meat) by raffling with arrows: that is impiety. This day have those who reject Faith given up all hope of your religion: yet fear them not, but fear Me (Matt. 10:28). THIS DAY* I have perfected your religion for you, completed My favour upon you, and have chosen for YOU, submission to My will, as your religion (Matt. 6:9-13). But if any is forced by hunger, with no inclination to transgression, “I AM” is indeed Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

*This leaves absolutely NO wiggle room for men to fabricate additional sayings allegedly attributed to Muhammad AFTER the Koran, like Muhammad al-Bukhari “compiled” over 200 years after the (alleged) death of Muhammad (Muhammad from the Koran).

It is from the collection of hadiths that many "Muslims" are deceived into believing the Bible has been corrupted, even though the Koran/Quran tells us that could NEVER happen (Sura 15:9-10; Sura 32:23).

And with regard to the physical temple which God allowed Solomon to build as a promise to David, that was the ONLY Temple God ever sanctioned to be built on this planet (and He had it destroyed not once but twice, by the same race of people: the Babylonians and their direct descendants, the Romans - Sura 17:7 - to send a crystal clear message that He does NOT dwell in such places). ALL of the other physical synagogues, churches, mosques, temples, etc. were built by Lucifer/Satan/Iblis, including the "Masjid al-Haram”.

1 Corinthians 3:16-17
3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and [that] the Spirit of God dwelleth in you?
3:17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy; for The Temple of God is holy, which [temple] ye are.

Peace be upon you.

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Re: The meaning and purpose of worship

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[Replying to A Freeman in post #12]

O Allah, show us the truth as truth and grant us the ability to follow it. Show us falsehood as falsehood and grant us the ability to avoid it. Do not make it confusing to us lest we go astray, and make us leaders for the righteous.

Thank you. I trust that sincere seekers will recognize the difference between true worship and man-made confusion.
May God guide all of us to purity of heart and sincerity in His path.
I’ll leave it at that. Peace.

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Faith is trust in God. Concerning placing our trust in Father (Allah/The Only True God/the "I AM") and His Messenger or in men...

Deuteronomy 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The "I AM" our God [is] ONE "I AM":

Isaiah 3:12 [As for] My people, children [are] their oppressors, and women rule over them. O My people, they which lead thee cause [thee] to err, and lead thee astray, TO THY DESTRUCTION.

Zechariah 14:9 And the "I AM" shall be King over all the earth: in that Day shall there be one "I AM", and His name ONE [not a trinity].

Matthew 23:8-10
23:8 But be NOT ye called priest (etc.): for One is your Teacher, [even] Christ; and all ye are brethren.
23:9 And call no [man] your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.
23:10 Neither be ye called masters: for one is your Master, [even] Christ.

Mark 12:29
12:29 And Jesus answered him, The First of all the Commandments [is], Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is ONE Lord:
12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength and serve Him ONLY: this [is] the first COMMANDment.
12:31 And the second [is] like, [namely] this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other COMMANDment greater than these.

Acts 5:29 Then Peter and the [other] Apostles answered and said, We ought to obey God rather than men.

1 Corinthians 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman [is] the man; and the head of Christ [is] God.

Sura 2:163. And your God is ONE God. There is no god but He, Most Gracious, Most Merciful.

Sura 3:55. Behold! God said: "O Jesus! I will take thee and raise thee to Myself and clear thee (of the falsehoods) of those who blaspheme; I will make those who follow thee SUPERIOR to those who reject faith, to The Day of Resurrection: then shall ye all return unto Me, and I will judge between you of the matters wherein ye dispute.

Sura 3:73. And believe no one unless he follows your religion (faith in God)." Say: "True guidance is the Guidance of God: (fear ye) lest a revelation be sent to someone (else) like unto that which was sent unto you? Or that those (receiving such revelation) should engage you in argument before your Lord?" Say: "All bounties are in the hand of God: He granteth them to whom He pleaseth: and God careth for all, and He knoweth all things."

Sura 4:157-159
4:157. That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ the son of Mary, the Messenger of God";- but they killed Christ not, nor crucified Christ, but so it was made to appear to them (as they crucified the human body called Jesus, that Christ the spirit-being used - Psalm 22; Isaiah 52:13 to 54:1; Zechariah 11:10-13; Matthew 27), and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) Knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed Christ not:-
4:158. Nay, God raised him up unto Himself (Acts 4:10-12) and God is Exalted in Power, and in Wisdom;-
4:159. And, of the People of The Book, they all must believe him (Christ) before their death; and on The Day of Judgment he will be a witness against them (and you) (Sura 43:61);-

Sura 61:6-7
61:6. And remember, Jesus, the son of Mary, said: "O Children of Israel! I am the Messenger of "I AM" (sent) to you, CONFIRMING The Law (which came) before me (the Torah - Matt. 5:17-20), and giving Glad Tidings of a Messenger to come after me, whose name shall be the Comforter ( John 16:7-15)." But when he came to them with Clear Signs, they said, "this is evident sorcery!"
61:7. Who doth greater wrong than one who invents falsehood against "I AM", even as he is being invited to do His Will? And "I AM" guides not those who do wrong (Satan does).

There's nothing confusing about our instruction to obey God and His Messenger/Christ, whom God sent. God did NOT send the rabbis, nor the priests, nor the pastors, nor the imams; He sent His Word/Messenger/Anointed One (The Messiah/Christ/Mahdi) to deliver His Simple Message to mankind, of obedience to God and His Law, and the DOING of His Will toward others at all times.

John 17:3 And THIS is Life Eternal, that they might KNOW Thee the ONLY True God, AND Christ the Saviour, whom Thou hast SENT.


The Messiah/Christ/Mahdi is here, exactly as prophesied (Sura 43:61), and has brought us "the little book" (Rev. 10:6-10), aka "the mother of the book" (Sura 13:39), also exactly as prophesied.

It is: The Way home or face The Fire by JAH.

The title is self-explanatory.

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