What's wrong with being gay?

[Daedalus X]

This thread is a continuation of an off topic conversation from here.

First, I think that we all agree that it's important to promote understanding, respect, and equality for all individuals, regardless of their sexual orientation. Everyone should be treated with dignity and allowed to express their identity without fear of discrimination or harm.


Question for debate is LGTBQIA2S+ a harmless social contagion, or are there serious unintended consequences awaiting the individuals and societies that are going down this road?

[oldbadger]

God condemns sexual promiscuity and perversion because God knows the damage such sins do to individuals and socities.

The Mosaic laws banned all that, thousands of years ago. But your God's Mosaic laws included 613 rules, laws and requirements. Do you obey them all?

A Christian does not obey laws written in the OT except to use the laws to understand how to obey God's will in the Spirit, not the letter.

No Marke... It seems as if that particular kind of Christianity mixes up politics with religion in some kind of mishmash whereby it can snatch out certain OT laws which fit with its bigotries whilst discarding all others.

[marke]

God condemns sexual promiscuity and perversion because God knows the damage such sins do to individuals and socities.

The Mosaic laws banned all that, thousands of years ago. But your God's Mosaic laws included 613 rules, laws and requirements. Do you obey them all?

A Christian does not obey laws written in the OT except to use the laws to understand how to obey God's will in the Spirit, not the letter.

No Marke... It seems as if that particular kind of Christianity mixes up politics with religion in some kind of mishmash whereby it can snatch out certain OT laws which fit with its bigotries whilst discarding all others.

A Christian must depend on the Lord to give him wisdom to understand what it means for Christians to not be subject to the OT laws.

[Clownboat]

A Christian must depend on the Lord to give him wisdom to understand what it means for Christians to not be subject to the OT laws.

Proverbs 11:2
2 When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.

If you were an outsider reading your reply, would you be inclined to recognize humility in the reply, or does it reek of a lack of humility for a human to make claims on behalf of a god concept?
I'm humbly asking.

[marke]

A Christian must depend on the Lord to give him wisdom to understand what it means for Christians to not be subject to the OT laws.

Proverbs 11:2
2 When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.

If you were an outsider reading your reply, would you be inclined to recognize humility in the reply, or does it reek of a lack of humility for a human to make claims on behalf of a god concept?
I'm humbly asking.

Humans like myself may judge ourselves to be humble and submissive to God but that does not mean God agrees with our estimation of our own selves.

[oldbadger]

A Christian must depend on the Lord to give him wisdom to understand what it means for Christians to not be subject to the OT laws.

Ahhhh! So your version of the Lord gives you wisdom to cherry pick laws out of the 613?
I've heard it all now.

And this descent causes your particular congregation to discard the inclusion of people?

When you trash diversity of humanity you travel so far away from Jesus as to be some other religion entirely.

Question: Would you like to see a notice outside your church which bans a variety of cultures, races, nationalities, sexualities from entering? If so then Jesus would certainly not go in, you know.

[marke]

A Christian must depend on the Lord to give him wisdom to understand what it means for Christians to not be subject to the OT laws.

Ahhhh! So your version of the Lord gives you wisdom to cherry pick laws out of the 613?
I've heard it all now.

And this descent causes your particular congregation to discard the inclusion of people?

When you trash diversity of humanity you travel so far away from Jesus as to be some other religion entirely.

Question: Would you like to see a notice outside your church which bans a variety of cultures, races, nationalities, sexualities from entering? If so then Jesus would certainly not go in, you know.

God does not hate those who do right. He hates those who wilfully reject God in order to give themselves over to commit wickedness.

Psalm 51:17
The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Psalm 5:6
Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the Lord will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

Psalm 10:3
For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the Lord abhorreth.

[oldbadger]

God does not hate those who do right. He hates those who wilfully reject God in order to give themselves over to commit wickedness.

Psalm 51:17
The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.

Psalm 5:6
Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the Lord will abhor the bloody and deceitful man.

Psalm 10:3
For the wicked boasteth of his heart's desire, and blesseth the covetous, whom the Lord abhorreth.

Do you see how, in the absence of anything that's Christian excluding people, you needed to resort to the writings of the Old Testament which you cherry pick from?

So it looks as if you would like to see a sign outside your church which forbids entry to some.

That's not very Christian.

[Clownboat]

A Christian must depend on the Lord to give him wisdom to understand what it means for Christians to not be subject to the OT laws.

Proverbs 11:2
2 When pride comes, then comes disgrace, but with humility comes wisdom.

If you were an outsider reading your reply, would you be inclined to recognize humility in the reply, or does it reek of a lack of humility for a human to make claims on behalf of a god concept?
I'm humbly asking.

Humans like myself may judge ourselves to be humble and submissive to God but that does not mean God agrees with our estimation of our own selves.

Strawman, as I never said it did.
I was just questioning your claim as far as where wisdom comes from and asked if it is humble to speak on behalf of a god concepts.

[placebofactor]

God condemns sexual promiscuity and perversion because God knows the damage such sins do to individuals and socities.

The Mosaic laws banned all that, thousands of years ago. But your God's Mosaic laws included 613 rules, laws and requirements. Do you obey them all?

A Christian does not obey laws written in the OT except to use the laws to understand how to obey God's will in the Spirit, not the letter.

No Marke... It seems as if that particular kind of Christianity mixes up politics with religion in some kind of mishmash whereby it can snatch out certain OT laws which fit with its bigotries whilst discarding all others.

In the O.T. the old covenant law was for the Jews. Now concerning the new covenant Jesus brought with him, he fulfilled all 613 rules in the law, and for all who believe by faith in this finished work we are under his wing of protection, protected from the judgment of the law. Now concerning those who do not have faith in Christ, they will remain under the 613 laws, both Jews and Gentiles, and those who reject Christ's finished work will be judged by the law. It's sort of like jumping out of a safe position into the sight of 613 marksmen, not all of them are going to miss. "BANG, you're dead."

[oldbadger]

In the O.T. the old covenant law was for the Jews. Now concerning the new covenant Jesus brought with him, he fulfilled all 613 rules in the law, and for all who believe by faith in this finished work we are under his wing of protection, protected from the judgment of the law. Now concerning those who do not have faith in Christ, they will remain under the 613 laws, both Jews and Gentiles, and those who reject Christ's finished work will be judged by the law. It's sort of like jumping out of a safe position into the sight of 613 marksmen, not all of them are going to miss. "BANG, you're dead."

What a very strange idea, placebo factor!
Wherever did you dig that up?

But Christianity demands that so many of those old laws are kept! Lots and lots of them.

Certainly you didn't get that idea from Jesus.