Book Of Life ( Who Writes The Names)

[SacredBishop]

God writes the names. Eddie proved it.

[Capbook]

Thanks, as He is above angels, what Jesus is? A true God or a false God?

He is subordinate to the Father who is God Almighty. To call Jesus a "god" is to say that we honor him highly as a powerful individual. That is what "god" meant to the Greeks of the apostles' day. Judges and people in high political positions were "worshipped" as gods.

Following your interpretation, would you mind answering the following;
1. The Father - one true God, worth to be worship? Yes or no.
2. Jesus - a true god worth to be worship of a false god worth to be worship?
3. Zeus - a true or false god?

It is not my "interpretation." To know a little bit of Greek history would apprise you of the fact that "god" meant a person in a position of power and authority, and they were "worshipped" as gods.

1. The Father = Yes, the one true God.
2. Jesus = a person of power and authority, a true god, not THE true God. The true God GAVE Jesus Jesus' authority and power.
Zeus = a false god and not worthy of any worship.

A "true God" and a" true god" as not of the same state of being God, I believe is not monotheism.
Is that the theology of JWs?

I just explained to you why we call Jesus "a god." There is only ONE Almighty God, the Father. There are other gods worshipped that are all false. Jesus is not Almighty God but he is a powerful, influential, revered individual. To say that he is not Almighty God shows that JWs worship one God, unlike trinitarians.

You missed some points to answer;
1. The Father - is He worthy to be worship?
2. Jesus - true god, not the true God per your reply, Is He worthy to be worship or not?
3. We agree with this.

1. The Father is worthy to be worshipped as the Most High, God Almighty, the only one.
2. Jesus is not worthy to be worshipped as God Almighty. Yet he is a beautiful, powerful, influential, revered individual---what the Greeks would call "a god."
3. We agree with what?

1. We agree, the Father worthy to be worshiped. (John 4:24) Greek is "proskuneo"
2. Jesus and the Father was being worshiped together by all created things on the earth, etc. Do you believe this text or not? (Rev 5:13-14) Greek is "proskuneo")
3. We agree that false god not worthy to be worshiped.

Rev 5:13 And I heard every created thing which is in heaven, or on the earth, or under the earth, or on the sea, and all the things in them, saying, “To Him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be the blessing, the honor, the glory, and the dominion forever and ever.”
Rev 5:14 And the four living creatures were saying, “Amen.” And the elders fell down and worshiped.

2. It doesn't indicate that Jesus and the Father are equal. That is your opinion, based on the mere fact that they are together and deserve respect as to their positions and authority. The Father is worthy to be worshipped as God Almighty, and the Son is worthy to be worshipped as the right-hand man of the Father, the second in command, given that position by his Father. They are not equal. The Father is superior, as the rest of the Bible tells us, including Jesus himself. (John 17:3; John 14:28)

Where does in Rev 5:13-14, that the worship of the Father and the Son is different?

[onewithhim]

He is subordinate to the Father who is God Almighty. To call Jesus a "god" is to say that we honor him highly as a powerful individual. That is what "god" meant to the Greeks of the apostles' day. Judges and people in high political positions were "worshipped" as gods.

Following your interpretation, would you mind answering the following;
1. The Father - one true God, worth to be worship? Yes or no.
2. Jesus - a true god worth to be worship of a false god worth to be worship?
3. Zeus - a true or false god?

It is not my "interpretation." To know a little bit of Greek history would apprise you of the fact that "god" meant a person in a position of power and authority, and they were "worshipped" as gods.

1. The Father = Yes, the one true God.
2. Jesus = a person of power and authority, a true god, not THE true God. The true God GAVE Jesus Jesus' authority and power.
Zeus = a false god and not worthy of any worship.

A "true God" and a" true god" as not of the same state of being God, I believe is not monotheism.
Is that the theology of JWs?

I just explained to you why we call Jesus "a god." There is only ONE Almighty God, the Father. There are other gods worshipped that are all false. Jesus is not Almighty God but he is a powerful, influential, revered individual. To say that he is not Almighty God shows that JWs worship one God, unlike trinitarians.

You missed some points to answer;
1. The Father - is He worthy to be worship?
2. Jesus - true god, not the true God per your reply, Is He worthy to be worship or not?
3. We agree with this.

1. The Father is worthy to be worshipped as the Most High, God Almighty, the only one.
2. Jesus is not worthy to be worshipped as God Almighty. Yet he is a beautiful, powerful, influential, revered individual---what the Greeks would call "a god."
3. We agree with what?

1. We agree, the Father worthy to be worshiped. (John 4:24) Greek is "proskuneo"
2. Jesus and the Father was being worshiped together by all created things on the earth, etc. Do you believe this text or not? (Rev 5:13-14) Greek is "proskuneo")
3. We agree that false god not worthy to be worshiped.

Rev 5:13 And I heard every created thing which is in heaven, or on the earth, or under the earth, or on the sea, and all the things in them, saying, “To Him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be the blessing, the honor, the glory, and the dominion forever and ever.”
Rev 5:14 And the four living creatures were saying, “Amen.” And the elders fell down and worshiped.

2. It doesn't indicate that Jesus and the Father are equal. That is your opinion, based on the mere fact that they are together and deserve respect as to their positions and authority. The Father is worthy to be worshipped as God Almighty, and the Son is worthy to be worshipped as the right-hand man of the Father, the second in command, given that position by his Father. They are not equal. The Father is superior, as the rest of the Bible tells us, including Jesus himself. (John 17:3; John 14:28)

Where does in Rev 5:13-14, that the worship of the Father and the Son is different?

I have explained that. The Father receives worship as God Almighty, and the Lamb receives worship as the Son of God (who was obedient to his Father's commands and deserves our high regards).

"In the days of his flesh [Christ] offered up supplications and also petitions to the One who was able to save him out of death, with strong outcries and tears, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear. Although he was a Son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered." (Hebrews 5:7,8)

So we have the Father as the One who is commanding, and the Son as the one who obeyed to the death. We worship each on their respective levels, the Father always at the top.

[Capbook]

Following your interpretation, would you mind answering the following;
1. The Father - one true God, worth to be worship? Yes or no.
2. Jesus - a true god worth to be worship of a false god worth to be worship?
3. Zeus - a true or false god?

It is not my "interpretation." To know a little bit of Greek history would apprise you of the fact that "god" meant a person in a position of power and authority, and they were "worshipped" as gods.

1. The Father = Yes, the one true God.
2. Jesus = a person of power and authority, a true god, not THE true God. The true God GAVE Jesus Jesus' authority and power.
Zeus = a false god and not worthy of any worship.

A "true God" and a" true god" as not of the same state of being God, I believe is not monotheism.
Is that the theology of JWs?

I just explained to you why we call Jesus "a god." There is only ONE Almighty God, the Father. There are other gods worshipped that are all false. Jesus is not Almighty God but he is a powerful, influential, revered individual. To say that he is not Almighty God shows that JWs worship one God, unlike trinitarians.

You missed some points to answer;
1. The Father - is He worthy to be worship?
2. Jesus - true god, not the true God per your reply, Is He worthy to be worship or not?
3. We agree with this.

1. The Father is worthy to be worshipped as the Most High, God Almighty, the only one.
2. Jesus is not worthy to be worshipped as God Almighty. Yet he is a beautiful, powerful, influential, revered individual---what the Greeks would call "a god."
3. We agree with what?

1. We agree, the Father worthy to be worshiped. (John 4:24) Greek is "proskuneo"
2. Jesus and the Father was being worshiped together by all created things on the earth, etc. Do you believe this text or not? (Rev 5:13-14) Greek is "proskuneo")
3. We agree that false god not worthy to be worshiped.

Rev 5:13 And I heard every created thing which is in heaven, or on the earth, or under the earth, or on the sea, and all the things in them, saying, “To Him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be the blessing, the honor, the glory, and the dominion forever and ever.”
Rev 5:14 And the four living creatures were saying, “Amen.” And the elders fell down and worshiped.

2. It doesn't indicate that Jesus and the Father are equal. That is your opinion, based on the mere fact that they are together and deserve respect as to their positions and authority. The Father is worthy to be worshipped as God Almighty, and the Son is worthy to be worshipped as the right-hand man of the Father, the second in command, given that position by his Father. They are not equal. The Father is superior, as the rest of the Bible tells us, including Jesus himself. (John 17:3; John 14:28)

Where does in Rev 5:13-14, that the worship of the Father and the Son is different?

I have explained that. The Father receives worship as God Almighty, and the Lamb receives worship as the Son of God (who was obedient to his Father's commands and deserves our high regards).

"In the days of his flesh [Christ] offered up supplications and also petitions to the One who was able to save him out of death, with strong outcries and tears, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear. Although he was a Son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered." (Hebrews 5:7,8)

So we have the Father as the One who is commanding, and the Son as the one who obeyed to the death. We worship each on their respective levels, the Father always at the top.

Your explanation is outside the verses I've quoted. The Father and Jesus was worshiped together, but there's no indication in there that they two were worshiped in two levels, and nothing in that verse that the top worship is for the Father.
Just remember, they were worshiped together by all. To you, is the verses lacking?

[onewithhim]

1. We agree, the Father worthy to be worshiped. (John 4:24) Greek is "proskuneo"
2. Jesus and the Father was being worshiped together by all created things on the earth, etc. Do you believe this text or not? (Rev 5:13-14) Greek is "proskuneo")
3. We agree that false god not worthy to be worshiped.

Rev 5:13 And I heard every created thing which is in heaven, or on the earth, or under the earth, or on the sea, and all the things in them, saying, “To Him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be the blessing, the honor, the glory, and the dominion forever and ever.”
Rev 5:14 And the four living creatures were saying, “Amen.” And the elders fell down and worshiped.

2. It doesn't indicate that Jesus and the Father are equal. That is your opinion, based on the mere fact that they are together and deserve respect as to their positions and authority. The Father is worthy to be worshipped as God Almighty, and the Son is worthy to be worshipped as the right-hand man of the Father, the second in command, given that position by his Father. They are not equal. The Father is superior, as the rest of the Bible tells us, including Jesus himself. (John 17:3; John 14:28)

Where does in Rev 5:13-14, that the worship of the Father and the Son is different?

I have explained that. The Father receives worship as God Almighty, and the Lamb receives worship as the Son of God (who was obedient to his Father's commands and deserves our high regards).

"In the days of his flesh [Christ] offered up supplications and also petitions to the One who was able to save him out of death, with strong outcries and tears, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear. Although he was a Son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered." (Hebrews 5:7,8)

So we have the Father as the One who is commanding, and the Son as the one who obeyed to the death. We worship each on their respective levels, the Father always at the top.

Your explanation is outside the verses I've quoted. The Father and Jesus was worshiped together, but there's no indication in there that they two were worshiped in two levels, and nothing in that verse that the top worship is for the Father.
Just remember, they were worshiped together by all. To you, is the verses lacking?

The verse you posted has to coincide with other verses in the Bible such as Luke 4:8 where Jesus quoted from the Old Testament saying "It is written, 'It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.'" (Deuteronomy 13:4; see also Exodus 10:26, Psalm 95:6, 7, John 4:24, John 14:28) Jesus himself puts himself subordinate to the Father. He and the Father do not get the same worship. See my post #82 above.

[Capbook]

2. It doesn't indicate that Jesus and the Father are equal. That is your opinion, based on the mere fact that they are together and deserve respect as to their positions and authority. The Father is worthy to be worshipped as God Almighty, and the Son is worthy to be worshipped as the right-hand man of the Father, the second in command, given that position by his Father. They are not equal. The Father is superior, as the rest of the Bible tells us, including Jesus himself. (John 17:3; John 14:28)

Where does in Rev 5:13-14, that the worship of the Father and the Son is different?

I have explained that. The Father receives worship as God Almighty, and the Lamb receives worship as the Son of God (who was obedient to his Father's commands and deserves our high regards).

"In the days of his flesh [Christ] offered up supplications and also petitions to the One who was able to save him out of death, with strong outcries and tears, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear. Although he was a Son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered." (Hebrews 5:7,8)

So we have the Father as the One who is commanding, and the Son as the one who obeyed to the death. We worship each on their respective levels, the Father always at the top.

Your explanation is outside the verses I've quoted. The Father and Jesus was worshiped together, but there's no indication in there that they two were worshiped in two levels, and nothing in that verse that the top worship is for the Father.
Just remember, they were worshiped together by all. To you, is the verses lacking?

The verse you posted has to coincide with other verses in the Bible such as Luke 4:8 where Jesus quoted from the Old Testament saying "It is written, 'It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.'" (Deuteronomy 13:4; see also Exodus 10:26, Psalm 95:6, 7, John 4:24, John 14:28) Jesus himself puts himself subordinate to the Father. He and the Father do not get the same worship. See my post #82 above.

Are those verses you quote refer to both of them being worship together?

[onewithhim]

Where does in Rev 5:13-14, that the worship of the Father and the Son is different?

I have explained that. The Father receives worship as God Almighty, and the Lamb receives worship as the Son of God (who was obedient to his Father's commands and deserves our high regards).

"In the days of his flesh [Christ] offered up supplications and also petitions to the One who was able to save him out of death, with strong outcries and tears, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear. Although he was a Son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered." (Hebrews 5:7,8)

So we have the Father as the One who is commanding, and the Son as the one who obeyed to the death. We worship each on their respective levels, the Father always at the top.

Your explanation is outside the verses I've quoted. The Father and Jesus was worshiped together, but there's no indication in there that they two were worshiped in two levels, and nothing in that verse that the top worship is for the Father.
Just remember, they were worshiped together by all. To you, is the verses lacking?

The verse you posted has to coincide with other verses in the Bible such as Luke 4:8 where Jesus quoted from the Old Testament saying "It is written, 'It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.'" (Deuteronomy 13:4; see also Exodus 10:26, Psalm 95:6, 7, John 4:24, John 14:28) Jesus himself puts himself subordinate to the Father. He and the Father do not get the same worship. See my post #82 above.

Are those verses you quote refer to both of them being worship together?

No. They show that it is the Father, Jehovah, alone that we must worship. Nowhere do the Scriptures say that the Father and the Son must be worshipped together as God.

[Capbook]

I have explained that. The Father receives worship as God Almighty, and the Lamb receives worship as the Son of God (who was obedient to his Father's commands and deserves our high regards).

"In the days of his flesh [Christ] offered up supplications and also petitions to the One who was able to save him out of death, with strong outcries and tears, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear. Although he was a Son, he learned obedience from the things he suffered." (Hebrews 5:7,8)

So we have the Father as the One who is commanding, and the Son as the one who obeyed to the death. We worship each on their respective levels, the Father always at the top.

Your explanation is outside the verses I've quoted. The Father and Jesus was worshiped together, but there's no indication in there that they two were worshiped in two levels, and nothing in that verse that the top worship is for the Father.
Just remember, they were worshiped together by all. To you, is the verses lacking?

The verse you posted has to coincide with other verses in the Bible such as Luke 4:8 where Jesus quoted from the Old Testament saying "It is written, 'It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.'" (Deuteronomy 13:4; see also Exodus 10:26, Psalm 95:6, 7, John 4:24, John 14:28) Jesus himself puts himself subordinate to the Father. He and the Father do not get the same worship. See my post #82 above.

Are those verses you quote refer to both of them being worship together?

No. They show that it is the Father, Jehovah, alone that we must worship. Nowhere do the Scriptures say that the Father and the Son must be worshipped together as God.

So, do you mean that verses below is wrong?

Rev 5:13-14
13 And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying,
"To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever."
14 And the four living creatures kept saying, "Amen." And the elders fell down and worshiped.
NASB

[onewithhim]

Your explanation is outside the verses I've quoted. The Father and Jesus was worshiped together, but there's no indication in there that they two were worshiped in two levels, and nothing in that verse that the top worship is for the Father.
Just remember, they were worshiped together by all. To you, is the verses lacking?

The verse you posted has to coincide with other verses in the Bible such as Luke 4:8 where Jesus quoted from the Old Testament saying "It is written, 'It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.'" (Deuteronomy 13:4; see also Exodus 10:26, Psalm 95:6, 7, John 4:24, John 14:28) Jesus himself puts himself subordinate to the Father. He and the Father do not get the same worship. See my post #82 above.

Are those verses you quote refer to both of them being worship together?

No. They show that it is the Father, Jehovah, alone that we must worship. Nowhere do the Scriptures say that the Father and the Son must be worshipped together as God.

So, do you mean that verses below is wrong?

Rev 5:13-14
13 And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying,
"To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever."
14 And the four living creatures kept saying, "Amen." And the elders fell down and worshiped.
NASB

No. You just interpret them wrong, according to your bias. They just show that the Father sits on the throne and the Lamb is there with Him, not saying that the Lamb is on the throne. He is not equal to Him who sits on the throne. The Lamb resides with the One who sits on the throne, but they still get different worshipping. The Father is worshipped as the only true God, and the Lamb is worshipped as an important, beloved, powerful, obedient Son of God, but not the same as God.

[Capbook]

The verse you posted has to coincide with other verses in the Bible such as Luke 4:8 where Jesus quoted from the Old Testament saying "It is written, 'It is Jehovah your God you must worship, and it is to him alone you must render sacred service.'" (Deuteronomy 13:4; see also Exodus 10:26, Psalm 95:6, 7, John 4:24, John 14:28) Jesus himself puts himself subordinate to the Father. He and the Father do not get the same worship. See my post #82 above.

Are those verses you quote refer to both of them being worship together?

No. They show that it is the Father, Jehovah, alone that we must worship. Nowhere do the Scriptures say that the Father and the Son must be worshipped together as God.

So, do you mean that verses below is wrong?

Rev 5:13-14
13 And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying,
"To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever."
14 And the four living creatures kept saying, "Amen." And the elders fell down and worshiped.
NASB

No. You just interpret them wrong, according to your bias. They just show that the Father sits on the throne and the Lamb is there with Him, not saying that the Lamb is on the throne. He is not equal to Him who sits on the throne. The Lamb resides with the One who sits on the throne, but they still get different worshipping. The Father is worshipped as the only true God, and the Lamb is worshipped as an important, beloved, powerful, obedient Son of God, but not the same as God.

You have your own interpretation, they were both mentioned in the quoted texts but nowhere in the there that implies that they were worship of different level or different kind of worship for the Father and another for the Son.

Because I believe on other verses that they were worshiped separately, the same kind of worship rendered for they are both God.(John 1:18)

[onewithhim]

Are those verses you quote refer to both of them being worship together?

No. They show that it is the Father, Jehovah, alone that we must worship. Nowhere do the Scriptures say that the Father and the Son must be worshipped together as God.

So, do you mean that verses below is wrong?

Rev 5:13-14
13 And every created thing which is in heaven and on the earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all things in them, I heard saying,
"To Him who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb, be blessing and honor and glory and dominion forever and ever."
14 And the four living creatures kept saying, "Amen." And the elders fell down and worshiped.
NASB

No. You just interpret them wrong, according to your bias. They just show that the Father sits on the throne and the Lamb is there with Him, not saying that the Lamb is on the throne. He is not equal to Him who sits on the throne. The Lamb resides with the One who sits on the throne, but they still get different worshipping. The Father is worshipped as the only true God, and the Lamb is worshipped as an important, beloved, powerful, obedient Son of God, but not the same as God.

You have your own interpretation, they were both mentioned in the quoted texts but nowhere in the there that implies that they were worship of different level or different kind of worship for the Father and another for the Son.

The whole Bible attests to the fact that the Father and the Son receive different types of worship. Are you familiar with the entire Bible?