Jesus is God - Every knee shall bow

[Wootah]

Isaiah 45
22 “Turn to me and be saved,
all you ends of the earth;
for I am God, and there is no other.
23 By myself I have sworn,
my mouth has uttered in all integrity
a word that will not be revoked:
Before me every knee will bow;
by me every tongue will swear.
24 They will say of me, ‘In the Lord alone
are deliverance and strength.’”
All who have raged against him
will come to him and be put to shame.
25 But all the descendants of Israel
will find deliverance in the Lord
and will make their boast in him.


Philippians 2:10-11
English Standard Version
10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Is every knee meant to bow to God or to Jesus or is this evidence Jesus is God?

[face2face]

[Replying to face2face in post #52]

Then answer the question?

edit: Having the name of God written on you, indicates that you are correctly marked. Not that you have the name of God.

In effect, what you're saying is that you don't believe God's children share in His family name. Your response suggests that you don't fully understand the significance of the name, its meaning, and how it applies to those who strive to live according to it. It also reveals your lack understanding of the Lords words in Revelation 3.

The True Gospel is an invitation for individuals to separate from Gentilism and become "a people for the name" (Acts 15:14). To have the divine name of Yahweh inscribed upon someone makes them a member of God's family in glory (like Christ!) read John 17:21; Rev. 14:1; 2 Thess. 1:10; Rom. 5:2; 2 Pet. 1:4. A name carries authority, and the saints will wield such authority in the age to come, just as the angel who bore the name of Yahweh exercised authority in the time of Moses (Exod. 23:21).

In a single reply you have placed yourself outside of the Divine Family.

Was this your intention?

F2F

This was interesting.

Revelation 14:1 Then I looked, and there before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads.

Why do the redeemed people of God need two names? More importantly, why does God need a non-God's stamp of approval? If someone is marked with just the Father's name but not the Son's in your logic they won't be there. But that means God needs a non-Gods stamp of approval.

The "writing" or "sealing" (Rev. 7:3) is first done with true doctrine today via a true Gospel and not the one presently in force in the world (Matt. 28:19; John 17:11; Isa. 43:7). A person must be mentally moved by the things of God if they are to share His glory in the future. The truth is God's chosen means to accomplish this (again see John 17:17!). Through it, a person learns to think in alignment with God's will, symbolically "written in the forehead" with the Father's name. This is the antitype of the gold band worn by the Aaronic high priests, inscribed with "Holiness to Yahweh" (Exod. 28:36). That band symbolized a mind of faith that placed Yahweh above all else.

Others besides priests demonstrated this same mindset. In the day of judgment upon Jerusalem, Ezekiel saw the angel of Yahweh figuratively marking the foreheads of those who remembered and honored God, and they were spared in the time of trouble (Ezek. 9:4). This attitude of mind will be of great value in the day of judgment (see Rev. 7:3; 22:4, and contrast with Rev. 9:4; 13:16; 20:4). The contrast between "the Father's name written in the foreheads" of the redeemed and the terrible name written upon the drunken whore in Rev. 17:5 is striking.

If you hold to the doctrine of the Trinity, it seems that you have already aligned yourself with her teachings which are not in harmony with the true faith, much like the influence of the "drunken whore" in Revelation, and, like the nations, have been influenced by these doctrines.

Also, it's not two names.

1. Name of God
2. Name of New Jerusalem
3. A New unknown name

Please look up the references for in them is truth

F2F

[face2face]

Now the context of Phil 2:10 is easy to gauge. Just read the verse before it to conclude who is Jesus.

(Php 2:9) Wherefore God highly exalted him, and gave to him the name which is above every name-
(Php 2:10) that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the earth,

Now who is deity again, God or his Son, Jesus?!

OK but isnt the name above all names only for God?

It is understood that God is the highest of all and His name is above everyone's. Now, He GAVE Jesus the name above all other names of those on earth and in the heavens, under the Lordship of the Father....how can the giver of a name be subordinate to anyone else? He obviously has all the authority and power, and He gives it to whomever He wishes.

Correct the Bible is clear that the Lord Jesus Christ is subordinate to His Father.

John 14:28 – "The Father is greater than I."
1 Corinthians 15:27-28 – "For 'He has put everything under his feet.' Now when it says that 'everything has been put under him,' it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ."
John 5:19 – "The Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing."
John 10:29 – "My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all."
Philippians 2:6-8 – "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage... he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death—even death on a cross!"
John 17:1-5 – "Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you... I brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do."
Matthew 26:39 – "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."
Luke 22:42 – "Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done."

It's a topic that Trinitarians often avoid discussing because the concept of God being both Master and Servant presents an apparent contradiction. It's difficult to reconcile these two roles without creating a logical inconsistency.

One of many with the Trinity.

Asking them to explain, prove, and provide evidence for Hypostasis is, at best, quite entertaining.

F2F

[face2face]

1. Name of God
2. Name of New Jerusalem
3. A New unknown name

Please look up the references for in them is truth

F2F

Would you like to know why these three are significant? I'm sure you can figure out the reasons behind why God does the things He does!

F2F

[Wootah]

1. Name of God
2. Name of New Jerusalem
3. A New unknown name

Please look up the references for in them is truth

F2F

Would you like to know why these three are significant? I'm sure you can figure out the reasons behind why God does the things He does!

F2F

Go on. Do tell.

[Wootah]

Now the context of Phil 2:10 is easy to gauge. Just read the verse before it to conclude who is Jesus.

(Php 2:9) Wherefore God highly exalted him, and gave to him the name which is above every name-
(Php 2:10) that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the earth,

Now who is deity again, God or his Son, Jesus?!

OK but isnt the name above all names only for God?

It is understood that God is the highest of all and His name is above everyone's. Now, He GAVE Jesus the name above all other names of those on earth and in the heavens, under the Lordship of the Father....how can the giver of a name be subordinate to anyone else? He obviously has all the authority and power, and He gives it to whomever He wishes.

Correct the Bible is clear that the Lord Jesus Christ is subordinate to His Father.

John 14:28 – "The Father is greater than I."
1 Corinthians 15:27-28 – "For 'He has put everything under his feet.' Now when it says that 'everything has been put under him,' it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ."
John 5:19 – "The Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing."
John 10:29 – "My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all."
Philippians 2:6-8 – "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage... he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death—even death on a cross!"
John 17:1-5 – "Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you... I brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do."
Matthew 26:39 – "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."
Luke 22:42 – "Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done."

It's a topic that Trinitarians often avoid discussing because the concept of God being both Master and Servant presents an apparent contradiction. It's difficult to reconcile these two roles without creating a logical inconsistency.

One of many with the Trinity.

Asking them to explain, prove, and provide evidence for Hypostasis is, at best, quite entertaining.

F2F

hi F2F you can also create posts on the forum to ask questions that trouble you, rather than potentially derail existing topics.

I created a thread for you this time: viewtopic.php?p=1167926#p1167926

[Wootah]

[Replying to face2face in post #61]

You are making a few hop skips and jumps there.

Nor did you answer the question. So I made a thread for the question: viewtopic.php?t=42335

[face2face]

[Replying to Wootah in post #65]

Checking in to see how you are going with the following:

1. The names theme
2. Jesus being subordinate to his Father (God)
3 Named people are created beings

F2F

[Capbook]

Now the context of Phil 2:10 is easy to gauge. Just read the verse before it to conclude who is Jesus.

(Php 2:9) Wherefore God highly exalted him, and gave to him the name which is above every name-
(Php 2:10) that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the earth,

Now who is deity again, God or his Son, Jesus?!

OK but isnt the name above all names only for God?

It is understood that God is the highest of all and His name is above everyone's. Now, He GAVE Jesus the name above all other names of those on earth and in the heavens, under the Lordship of the Father....how can the giver of a name be subordinate to anyone else? He obviously has all the authority and power, and He gives it to whomever He wishes.

Correct the Bible is clear that the Lord Jesus Christ is subordinate to His Father.

John 14:28 – "The Father is greater than I."
1 Corinthians 15:27-28 – "For 'He has put everything under his feet.' Now when it says that 'everything has been put under him,' it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ."
John 5:19 – "The Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing."
John 10:29 – "My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all."
Philippians 2:6-8 – "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage... he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death—even death on a cross!"
John 17:1-5 – "Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you... I brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do."
Matthew 26:39 – "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."
Luke 22:42 – "Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done."

It's a topic that Trinitarians often avoid discussing because the concept of God being both Master and Servant presents an apparent contradiction. It's difficult to reconcile these two roles without creating a logical inconsistency.

One of many with the Trinity.

Asking them to explain, prove, and provide evidence for Hypostasis is, at best, quite entertaining.

F2F

Ok, let me discuss with you the verses you quote Phil 2:6-8. Let me present to you the logic;
1. Jesus as in the form of a servant, is He man or not?
2. Jesus as in the form of God, is He God or not?
3. If you answer the no.1 question honestly, why can't you apply the same logic to the no. 2 question? Why and explain.

[face2face]

Now the context of Phil 2:10 is easy to gauge. Just read the verse before it to conclude who is Jesus.

(Php 2:9) Wherefore God highly exalted him, and gave to him the name which is above every name-
(Php 2:10) that in the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven and those on earth and those under the earth,

Now who is deity again, God or his Son, Jesus?!

OK but isnt the name above all names only for God?

It is understood that God is the highest of all and His name is above everyone's. Now, He GAVE Jesus the name above all other names of those on earth and in the heavens, under the Lordship of the Father....how can the giver of a name be subordinate to anyone else? He obviously has all the authority and power, and He gives it to whomever He wishes.

Correct the Bible is clear that the Lord Jesus Christ is subordinate to His Father.

John 14:28 – "The Father is greater than I."
1 Corinthians 15:27-28 – "For 'He has put everything under his feet.' Now when it says that 'everything has been put under him,' it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ."
John 5:19 – "The Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing."
John 10:29 – "My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all."
Philippians 2:6-8 – "Who, being in very nature God, did not consider equality with God something to be used to his own advantage... he humbled himself by becoming obedient to death—even death on a cross!"
John 17:1-5 – "Father, the hour has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you... I brought you glory on earth by finishing the work you gave me to do."
Matthew 26:39 – "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."
Luke 22:42 – "Father, if you are willing, take this cup from me; yet not my will, but yours be done."

It's a topic that Trinitarians often avoid discussing because the concept of God being both Master and Servant presents an apparent contradiction. It's difficult to reconcile these two roles without creating a logical inconsistency.

One of many with the Trinity.

Asking them to explain, prove, and provide evidence for Hypostasis is, at best, quite entertaining.

F2F

Ok, let me discuss with you the verses you quote Phil 2:6-8. Let me present to you the logic;
1. Jesus as in the form of a servant, is He man or not?
2. Jesus as in the form of God, is He God or not?
3. If you answer the no.1 question honestly, why can't you apply the same logic to the no. 2 question? Why and explain.

I've sent you a PM thanks Capbook

F2F

[face2face]

[Replying to Wootah in post #65]

Checking in to see how you are going with the following:

1. The names theme
2. Jesus being subordinate to his Father (God)
3 Named people are created beings

F2F

Wootah viewtopic.php?p=1167919#p1167919

Let's deal with No. 3

In the Kingdom Age the Lord's name will hold new significance for all who hear it, as they will witness him clothed in authority. "Name" here signifies authority (see Phil 2:9 & Eph 1:21). During the millennium divine authority will be granted to the conquerors of this age.

Revelation 2:17 "He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, with a new name written on the stone that no one knows except the one who receives it."

Just as some men's and women's names were changed to carry deeper meaning and significance, I foresee the same happening at the Judgment. Those who are found worthy will be clothed with immortality and given a name that reflects the work of God in them, shaped through the testing and trials they endured in the flesh.

You would know the Jesus was also "given" a new name?

"His (Jesus) eyes are like a flame of fire, and on his head are many diadems, and he has a name written that no one knows but himself." (Revelation 19:12)

We are told what that name is.

All created beings are named of God.

F2F