Thorn's in a rose bush

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Can anyone ever explain how the Father can exist without having a beginning? Let me answer the question, NO! It doesn't make sense as men understand things, but God's ways are not our ways.

Question 2: Can anyone explain how Jesus existed without having a beginning? The same answer: NO! My Bible states that the Word, Jesus Christ, was WITH the Father before the creation, and the Word (Jesus) was God.

Revelation 13:8, "And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

Decreed before the creation. Sinners, unbelievers and deniers, who remain on the earth in contrast to those in heaven shall worship the Lamb. It's the Lamb's book of life, not the Father's. So, it's the Lamb, Jesus Christ who will be worshipped.

In the counsel of the Godhead, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, declared Jesus Christ to be a "Lamb slain before the foundation of the world."

Because the Watchtower decided to corrupt John 1:1, and with great sorrow I say, millions have swallowed that lie hook line and sinker, and they continue to draw people away from the Lord Jesus Christ. It’s with their corrupted verse from a corrupted Bible, claiming, "The Word was a god." The only Bible in the world that makes Jesus Christ a god, except for 1 or 2 versions no one has ever seen or heard of.

2000 years of history denied by a group who came out of the woodwork 125 years ago. A group rejected by every mainline Christian church and organization throughout the World. But they do have bedfellows, Mormons, and Muslims who also claim Jesus is not God. They say, "He's a good man, a prophet, a god, maybe; but surely not "God."

Jehovah's Witnesses won’t admit their own Bible calls Jesus Jehovah in, Luke 2:11, "Which is Christ the Lord." Interpreted is, the Messiah is Jehovah." N.W.T. footnotes on Luke 2:11, 1984 edition. "Christ (the) Lord." Greek, Khristos' Kyrios. This expression might be a Greek rendering of the Hebrew ma-shi'ach Yeho-wah'. But they had to add, "Jehovah's Christ."

I love it, they say it "MIGHT BE!" What does "it might be" mean? It is, or it isn't. Dishonest to the core.

Another of their deceptions.
Jesus said in Revelation 1:8, "I am alpha and omega, the beginning and the end, the Almighty." Again, the corrupt Watchtower organization claims these words apply only to the Father. Wrong! Jesus is speaking and uses the pronoun "I" not my Father is.

Here's another one concerning the Holy Spirit. The pronoun "He" does not mean "He" to a Jehovah's Witness, "He" means "It". The Holy Spirit is not "he", but an "it," the breath of the Father.

In John 15:26, concerning the Holy Spirit they changed "he" to "that one”. They did the same thing in John 14:26. In John 14:17, speaking of the Holy Spirit, they changed "him" to "it."

Paul said, 2 Corinthians 11:10, "Christ is in me," not the Father is in me.
Verse 13, "For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.

Paul said Philippians 1:13, "My bonds in Christ are manifest in all the palace, and in all other places." He didn't say "My bonds in the Father are manifest---."

Philippians 1:1, to all the saints in Christ Jesus." Not the saints in the Father."

Believers are the Bride of Christ, not the bride of the Father.

Ephesians 1:1, "Paul, and apostle of Jesus Christ by the word of God (theos)." By the will of God, hmmm! Jesus is the Word, and in Acts 8, it was the will of the Lord Jesus that made Paul tremble. It was the Lord Jesus who told Paul to arise. It was the Lord Jesus who said concerning Paul, “He is a chosen vessel unto me, to bear my name before the Gentiles, and kings, and the children of Israel: for I will shew him how great things he must suffer for my names sake.” Nothing there about the Father.

And what name would that be? It’s Jesus, who is Jehovah, all to the glory of his Father who is also Jehovah.

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Who do you think has the eternal life in 1 John 5:11?
And who do you think has the eternal life in 1 John 5:20?

I think eternal life is for righteous, because:

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Matt. 25:46

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Who do you think has the eternal life in 1 John 5:11?
And who do you think has the eternal life in 1 John 5:20?

I think eternal life is for righteous, because:

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Matt. 25:46

I guess you did not read the verse, see below.
Now the question, who has the eternal life in that text?

1Jn 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

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Who do you think has the eternal life in 1 John 5:11?
And who do you think has the eternal life in 1 John 5:20?

I think eternal life is for righteous, because:

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Matt. 25:46

I guess you did not read the verse, see below.
Now the question, who has the eternal life in that text?

1Jn 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

I understand he is speaking of disciples of Jesus. However, because Jesus says eternal life is for righteous, I believe he is talking about all of those who are righteous.

[onewithhim]

Can anyone ever explain how the Father can exist without having a beginning?

Many can explain, but how would we know the explanation is correct? Bible doesn't say how it is possible.

...They say, "He's a good man..."

Also Paul says so.

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Tim. 2:5

Should people believe Paul or you?

We believe apostle Paul that says;
1. There is one God,
2. Jesus is man,
3. What we need is verse that says, Jesus is not God.

Jesus said that he is God's Son, therefore skewering the idea that he is God. It's very plain. He said, "I am God's Son." How can God be his own Son? (John 10:36)

Yes, but it does not say Jesus is not God.
NASB is not a paraphrase translation, rendered John 1:18 Jesus the only begotten God, had seen the Father.

Jhn 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him. (NASB)

It doesn't say that Jesus is not a spotted leopard either. Does that make him one?

Interlinear Bible by Hendrickson: "...the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he reveals Him."

[Capbook]

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Who do you think has the eternal life in 1 John 5:11?
And who do you think has the eternal life in 1 John 5:20?

I think eternal life is for righteous, because:

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Matt. 25:46

I guess you did not read the verse, see below.
Now the question, who has the eternal life in that text?

1Jn 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

I understand he is speaking of disciples of Jesus. However, because Jesus says eternal life is for righteous, I believe he is talking about all of those who are righteous.

I think you misunderstand the Father, the text refer to the Son literally, even Jesus had said I am the way, the truth and life.
Base on your understanding, do you think the Father was wrong when He only speak of "His Son"? (1John 5:11)

[Capbook]

Can anyone ever explain how the Father can exist without having a beginning?

Many can explain, but how would we know the explanation is correct? Bible doesn't say how it is possible.

...They say, "He's a good man..."

Also Paul says so.

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Tim. 2:5

Should people believe Paul or you?

We believe apostle Paul that says;
1. There is one God,
2. Jesus is man,
3. What we need is verse that says, Jesus is not God.

Jesus said that he is God's Son, therefore skewering the idea that he is God. It's very plain. He said, "I am God's Son." How can God be his own Son? (John 10:36)

Yes, but it does not say Jesus is not God.
NASB is not a paraphrase translation, rendered John 1:18 Jesus the only begotten God, had seen the Father.

Jhn 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him. (NASB)

It doesn't say that Jesus is not a spotted leopard either. Does that make him one?

Interlinear Bible by Hendrickson: "...the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he reveals Him."

Many translate like that but mostly are paraphrased translations, I will post translations that tried to maintain the highest degree of accuracy to the original languages, see below;

(ESV) No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.
(Literal Standard Version)No one has ever seen God; the only begotten God who is on the bosom of the FatherHe has expounded Him.
(Updated ASV+) No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God N7  who is in the bosom of the Father, N8  that one has made him fully known.
(Berean Study Bible) No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known.
(NRSV Updated Edition) No one has ever seen God. It is the only Son, himself God, who is close to the Father’s heart, who has made him known.
(NASB95) No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
(Greek NT Wescott & Hort+) θεον G2316 N-ASM  ουδεις G3762 A-NSM-N  εωρακεν G3708 V-RAI-3S-ATT  πωποτε G4455 ADV  μονογενης G3439 A-NSM  θεος G2316 N-NSM  ο G3588 T-NSM  ων G1510 V-PAP-NSM  εις G1519 PREP  τον G3588 T-ASM  κολπον G2859 N-ASM  του G3588 T-GSM  πατρος G3962 N-GSM  εκεινος G1565 D-NSM  εξηγησατο G1834 V-ADI-3S 

[onewithhim]

Can anyone ever explain how the Father can exist without having a beginning?

Many can explain, but how would we know the explanation is correct? Bible doesn't say how it is possible.

...They say, "He's a good man..."

Also Paul says so.

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Tim. 2:5

Should people believe Paul or you?

We believe apostle Paul that says;
1. There is one God,
2. Jesus is man,
3. What we need is verse that says, Jesus is not God.

Jesus said that he is God's Son, therefore skewering the idea that he is God. It's very plain. He said, "I am God's Son." How can God be his own Son? (John 10:36)

Yes, but it does not say Jesus is not God.
NASB is not a paraphrase translation, rendered John 1:18 Jesus the only begotten God, had seen the Father.

Jhn 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him. (NASB)

It doesn't say that Jesus is not a spotted leopard either. Does that make him one?

Interlinear Bible by Hendrickson: "...the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he reveals Him."

Many translate like that but mostly are paraphrased translations, I will post translations that tried to maintain the highest degree of accuracy to the original languages, see below;

(ESV) No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.
(Literal Standard Version)No one has ever seen God; the only begotten God who is on the bosom of the FatherHe has expounded Him.
(Updated ASV+) No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God N7  who is in the bosom of the Father, N8  that one has made him fully known.
(Berean Study Bible) No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known.
(NRSV Updated Edition) No one has ever seen God. It is the only Son, himself God, who is close to the Father’s heart, who has made him known.
(NASB95) No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
(Greek NT Wescott & Hort+) θεον G2316 N-ASM  ουδεις G3762 A-NSM-N  εωρακεν G3708 V-RAI-3S-ATT  πωποτε G4455 ADV  μονογενης G3439 A-NSM  θεος G2316 N-NSM  ο G3588 T-NSM  ων G1510 V-PAP-NSM  εις G1519 PREP  τον G3588 T-ASM  κολπον G2859 N-ASM  του G3588 T-GSM  πατρος G3962 N-GSM  εκεινος G1565 D-NSM  εξηγησατο G1834 V-ADI-3S 

I can name an equal amount of versions that say the only begotten SON has explained the Father. Your NRSV Updated Edition and Berean Study Bible have added words to the verse. "Himself God" is not in the original Greek rendering. Those words are added, according to someone's conclusions, being biased trinitarians.

[Capbook]

Can anyone ever explain how the Father can exist without having a beginning?

Many can explain, but how would we know the explanation is correct? Bible doesn't say how it is possible.

...They say, "He's a good man..."

Also Paul says so.

For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus,
1 Tim. 2:5

Should people believe Paul or you?

We believe apostle Paul that says;
1. There is one God,
2. Jesus is man,
3. What we need is verse that says, Jesus is not God.

Jesus said that he is God's Son, therefore skewering the idea that he is God. It's very plain. He said, "I am God's Son." How can God be his own Son? (John 10:36)

Yes, but it does not say Jesus is not God.
NASB is not a paraphrase translation, rendered John 1:18 Jesus the only begotten God, had seen the Father.

Jhn 1:18 No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him. (NASB)

It doesn't say that Jesus is not a spotted leopard either. Does that make him one?

Interlinear Bible by Hendrickson: "...the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he reveals Him."

Many translate like that but mostly are paraphrased translations, I will post translations that tried to maintain the highest degree of accuracy to the original languages, see below;

(ESV) No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.
(Literal Standard Version)No one has ever seen God; the only begotten God who is on the bosom of the FatherHe has expounded Him.
(Updated ASV+) No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God N7  who is in the bosom of the Father, N8  that one has made him fully known.
(Berean Study Bible) No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is Himself God and is at the Father’s side, has made Him known.
(NRSV Updated Edition) No one has ever seen God. It is the only Son, himself God, who is close to the Father’s heart, who has made him known.
(NASB95) No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
(Greek NT Wescott & Hort+) θεον G2316 N-ASM  ουδεις G3762 A-NSM-N  εωρακεν G3708 V-RAI-3S-ATT  πωποτε G4455 ADV  μονογενης G3439 A-NSM  θεος G2316 N-NSM  ο G3588 T-NSM  ων G1510 V-PAP-NSM  εις G1519 PREP  τον G3588 T-ASM  κολπον G2859 N-ASM  του G3588 T-GSM  πατρος G3962 N-GSM  εκεινος G1565 D-NSM  εξηγησατο G1834 V-ADI-3S 

I can name an equal amount of versions that say the only begotten SON has explained the Father. Your NRSV Updated Edition and Berean Study Bible have added words to the verse. "Himself God" is not in the original Greek rendering. Those words are added, according to someone's conclusions, being biased trinitarians.

Yes, you may but mostly would be paraphrase translations.

BSB connects each Bible word back to Hebrew or Greek text. While NRSV aims to be highly accurate translation and popular choice in Universities for scholarly works.

The BSB aims to be a "completely new English translation of the Holy Bible" based on the best available manuscripts and sources, connecting each word back to the Greek or Hebrew text. It emphasizes a transparent text that can be studied for its root meanings.

The NRSV is known for its academic rigor and is widely used in scholarly work, theological education, and mainline churches. It aims to be a highly accurate translation based on the available manuscript evidence, textual analysis, and philological understanding. Is a popular choice for scholarly work and ecumenical settings.
https://www.google.com/search?q=nrsv+vs ... e&ie=UTF-8

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Who do you think has the eternal life in 1 John 5:11?
And who do you think has the eternal life in 1 John 5:20?

I think eternal life is for righteous, because:

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Matt. 25:46

I guess you did not read the verse, see below.
Now the question, who has the eternal life in that text?

1Jn 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

I understand he is speaking of disciples of Jesus. However, because Jesus says eternal life is for righteous, I believe he is talking about all of those who are righteous.

I think you misunderstand the Father, the text refer to the Son literally, even Jesus had said I am the way, the truth and life.
Base on your understanding, do you think the Father was wrong when He only speak of "His Son"? (1John 5:11)

Hmmm.... interesting. I think the us means the disciples of Jesus. And they have the life in Jesus, meaning, because of Jesus, they have the life.

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Who do you think has the eternal life in 1 John 5:11?
And who do you think has the eternal life in 1 John 5:20?

I think eternal life is for righteous, because:

These will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.
Matt. 25:46

I guess you did not read the verse, see below.
Now the question, who has the eternal life in that text?

1Jn 5:11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

I understand he is speaking of disciples of Jesus. However, because Jesus says eternal life is for righteous, I believe he is talking about all of those who are righteous.

I think you misunderstand the Father, the text refer to the Son literally, even Jesus had said I am the way, the truth and life.
Base on your understanding, do you think the Father was wrong when He only speak of "His Son"? (1John 5:11)

Hmmm.... interesting. I think the us means the disciples of Jesus. And they have the life in Jesus, meaning, because of Jesus, they have the life.

Yes, but how about the phrase "and this life is in His Son," is the Father wrong He says that?