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No excuses, Jesus is God.

We are gonna deal with these Trinity-Proof texts, one by one....using Jehovah's Witnesses (JW's) own New World's Translation, while I use the New King James Version (NKJV)...and we are gonna expose their faulty NWT, as needed.

For this thread, we will examine the following three books and verses..

Isa 40:3 – Mark 1:1-8 – Malachi 3:1

Lets begin with Isa 40:3..
Isa 40:3
NKJV Isa 40:3 ”The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Prepare the way of the Lord; Make straight in the desert A highway for our God.
NWT Isa 40:3 A voice of one calling out in the wilderness: “Clear up* the way of Jehovah! Make a straight highway through the desert for our God.
Now, as you can see, in comparison, both the NKJV and the NWT reads the same.

It is commanded that a clear path is made for God (Lord, Jehovah), because he is coming through!!

Ok, now, lets look at Malachi 3:1..
NKJV Mal 3:1 “Behold, I send My messenger, And he will prepare the way before Me.
And the Lord, whom you seek, Will suddenly come to His temple, Even the Messenger of the covenant, In whom you delight. Behold, He is coming,” Says the Lord of hosts.

NWT Mal 3:1  “Look! I am sending my messenger, and he will clear up* a way before me. And suddenly the true Lord, whom you are seeking, will come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant will come, in whom you take delight. Look! He will certainly come,” says Jehovah of armies.
Virtually the same message, the Lord is coming...and the path is being cleared for him.

The significance? This is a prophecy of the coming of Jesus....and this messenger who clears the path for him, is John the Baptist.

How do we know?

Because, in Mark 1:1-8...
1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. 2 As it is written in [a]the Prophets:

“Behold, I send My messenger before Your face,
Who will prepare Your way before You.”
3 “The voice of one crying in the wilderness:
‘Prepare the way of the Lord;
Make His paths straight.’ ”

4 John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. 7 And he preached, saying, “There comes One after me who is mightier than I, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to stoop down and loose. 8 I indeed baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”
The implication is simple, Jesus is God.

Even in JW's own NWT Bible, it is said that the path (Isa 40:3) is being made clear for Jehovah/God.

The author of Mark connects the subject of the cleared path in the book of Isaiah (who is identified as Jehovah/God), to the subject of the path in his own book (who is identified as Jesus).

This is irrefutable evidence of the fact that; Jesus is God.

Anyone who has beef with this, let me know.
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SiNcE_1985 wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 3:15 pm .

No excuses, Jesus is God.

We are gonna deal with these Trinity-Proof texts, one by one....using Jehovah's Witnesses (JW's) own New World's Translation, while I use the New King James Version (NKJV)...and we are gonna expose their faulty NWT, as needed.

For this thread, we will examine the following three books and verses..

Isa 40:3 – Mark 1:1-8 – Malachi 3:1

Lets begin with Isa 40:3..
Isa 40:3
NKJV Isa 40:3 ”The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Prepare the way of the Lord; Make straight in the desert A highway for our God.
NWT Isa 40:3 A voice of one calling out in the wilderness: “Clear up* the way of Jehovah! Make a straight highway through the desert for our God.
Now, as you can see, in comparison, both the NKJV and the NWT reads the same.

It is commanded that a clear path is made for God (Lord, Jehovah), because he is coming through!!

Ok, now, lets look at Malachi 3:1..
NKJV Mal 3:1 “Behold, I send My messenger, And he will prepare the way before Me.
And the Lord, whom you seek, Will suddenly come to His temple, Even the Messenger of the covenant, In whom you delight. Behold, He is coming,” Says the Lord of hosts.

NWT Mal 3:1  “Look! I am sending my messenger, and he will clear up* a way before me. And suddenly the true Lord, whom you are seeking, will come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant will come, in whom you take delight. Look! He will certainly come,” says Jehovah of armies.
Virtually the same message, the Lord is coming...and the path is being cleared for him.

The significance? This is a prophecy of the coming of Jesus....and this messenger who clears the path for him, is John the Baptist.

How do we know?

Because, in Mark 1:1-8...
1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. 2 As it is written in [a]the Prophets:

“Behold, I send My messenger before Your face,
Who will prepare Your way before You.”
3 “The voice of one crying in the wilderness:
‘Prepare the way of the Lord;
Make His paths straight.’ ”

4 John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. 7 And he preached, saying, “There comes One after me who is mightier than I, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to stoop down and loose. 8 I indeed baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”
The implication is simple, Jesus is God.

Even in JW's own NWT Bible, it is said that the path (Isa 40:3) is being made clear for Jehovah/God.

The author of Mark connects the subject of the cleared path in the book of Isaiah (who is identified as Jehovah/God), to the subject of the path in his own book (who is identified as Jesus).

This is irrefutable evidence of the fact that; Jesus is God.

Anyone who has beef with this, let me know.
A JW would simply interpret prepare the way of the Lord, as prepare the way for the work of the Lord via repentance according to John the Baptist. I don't see Isaiah 40:3 as " a Trinity-proof text, " or an indication that" Jesus is God".

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RugMatic wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 10:41 pm
SiNcE_1985 wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 3:15 pm .

No excuses, Jesus is God.

We are gonna deal with these Trinity-Proof texts, one by one....using Jehovah's Witnesses (JW's) own New World's Translation, while I use the New King James Version (NKJV)...and we are gonna expose their faulty NWT, as needed.

For this thread, we will examine the following three books and verses..

Isa 40:3 – Mark 1:1-8 – Malachi 3:1

Lets begin with Isa 40:3..
Isa 40:3
NKJV Isa 40:3 ”The voice of one crying in the wilderness: “Prepare the way of the Lord; Make straight in the desert A highway for our God.
NWT Isa 40:3 A voice of one calling out in the wilderness: “Clear up* the way of Jehovah! Make a straight highway through the desert for our God.
Now, as you can see, in comparison, both the NKJV and the NWT reads the same.

It is commanded that a clear path is made for God (Lord, Jehovah), because he is coming through!!

Ok, now, lets look at Malachi 3:1..
NKJV Mal 3:1 “Behold, I send My messenger, And he will prepare the way before Me.
And the Lord, whom you seek, Will suddenly come to His temple, Even the Messenger of the covenant, In whom you delight. Behold, He is coming,” Says the Lord of hosts.

NWT Mal 3:1  “Look! I am sending my messenger, and he will clear up* a way before me. And suddenly the true Lord, whom you are seeking, will come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant will come, in whom you take delight. Look! He will certainly come,” says Jehovah of armies.
Virtually the same message, the Lord is coming...and the path is being cleared for him.

The significance? This is a prophecy of the coming of Jesus....and this messenger who clears the path for him, is John the Baptist.

How do we know?

Because, in Mark 1:1-8...
1 The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. 2 As it is written in [a]the Prophets:

“Behold, I send My messenger before Your face,
Who will prepare Your way before You.”
3 “The voice of one crying in the wilderness:
‘Prepare the way of the Lord;
Make His paths straight.’ ”

4 John came baptizing in the wilderness and preaching a baptism of repentance for the remission of sins. 7 And he preached, saying, “There comes One after me who is mightier than I, whose sandal strap I am not worthy to stoop down and loose. 8 I indeed baptized you with water, but He will baptize you with the Holy Spirit.”
The implication is simple, Jesus is God.

Even in JW's own NWT Bible, it is said that the path (Isa 40:3) is being made clear for Jehovah/God.

The author of Mark connects the subject of the cleared path in the book of Isaiah (who is identified as Jehovah/God), to the subject of the path in his own book (who is identified as Jesus).

This is irrefutable evidence of the fact that; Jesus is God.

Anyone who has beef with this, let me know.
A JW would simply interpret prepare the way of the Lord, as prepare the way for the work of the Lord via repentance according to John the Baptist. I don't see Isaiah 40:3 as " a Trinity-proof text, " or an indication that" Jesus is God".
Prepare the way of the Lord, by whom is meant the Messiah to whose proper deity a noble testimony is here bore, being called "Jehovah" and "our God." Whose way John prepared himself, by preaching the doctrine of repentance, administering the ordinance of baptism, pointing at the Messiah, the Lamb of God and exhorting the people to believe in him.

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SiNcE_1985 wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 3:15 pm ...
This is irrefutable evidence of the fact that; Jesus is God.

Anyone who has beef with this, let me know.
If you think Jesus is the God, why don't you believe what Jesus says?

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RugMatic wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 10:41 pm
A JW would simply interpret prepare the way of the Lord, as prepare the way for the work of the Lord via repentance according to John the Baptist. I don't see Isaiah 40:3 as " a Trinity-proof text, " or an indication that" Jesus is God".
You obviously did not read the entirety of the OP...and I say this respectfully.

The way is being prepared for Yahweh, in Isa 40:3, which is a prophecy for the way that was being prepared for Jesus, in Mark 1:1-8.

Isa 40:3 the way is for Yahweh.

Mark 1:1-8 the way is for Jesus.

Therefore, Jesus is Yahweh.

And it also just occurred to me that Jesus called himself "the way", in John 14:6...which is another gold nugget added to what was already there.
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1213 wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 5:36 am
SiNcE_1985 wrote: Wed Mar 12, 2025 3:15 pm ...
This is irrefutable evidence of the fact that; Jesus is God.

Anyone who has beef with this, let me know.
If you think Jesus is the God, why don't you believe what Jesus says?
I was gonna ask you the same question.
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Capbook wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 3:14 am Prepare the way of the Lord, by whom is meant the Messiah to whose proper deity a noble testimony is here bore, being called "Jehovah" and "our God." Whose way John prepared himself, by preaching the doctrine of repentance, administering the ordinance of baptism, pointing at the Messiah, the Lamb of God and exhorting the people to believe in him.
Jesus is called God.
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SiNcE_1985 wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 8:40 am
Capbook wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 3:14 am Prepare the way of the Lord, by whom is meant the Messiah to whose proper deity a noble testimony is here bore, being called "Jehovah" and "our God." Whose way John prepared himself, by preaching the doctrine of repentance, administering the ordinance of baptism, pointing at the Messiah, the Lamb of God and exhorting the people to believe in him.
Jesus is called God.
And He is God. If you have word for word Bibles translations that maintain the highest degree of accuracy to the original languages, you can see the same rendering with the verse below.

John 1:18
18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.
ESV

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Capbook wrote: Fri Mar 14, 2025 12:43 am
SiNcE_1985 wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 8:40 am
Capbook wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 3:14 am Prepare the way of the Lord, by whom is meant the Messiah to whose proper deity a noble testimony is here bore, being called "Jehovah" and "our God." Whose way John prepared himself, by preaching the doctrine of repentance, administering the ordinance of baptism, pointing at the Messiah, the Lamb of God and exhorting the people to believe in him.
Jesus is called God.
And He is God. If you have word for word Bibles translations that maintain the highest degree of accuracy to the original languages, you can see the same rendering with the verse below.

John 1:18
18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known.
ESV
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