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Moses wrote 3500 years ago and the writers of the New Testament 2000 years ago. Yet science appears only now to be catching up with God’s word. Following is proof that Jesus is God, the Son of God, and Son of man, and that he is without beginning.

The mother provides her unborn developing infant with the nutritive elements for building its physical body in her womb, but all the blood that forms in the unborn child is formed in the embryo itself and only as a result of the father’s contribution; therefore, not one drop of blood ever passes from the mother to the child.

And so goes the miracle of the conception of the virgin birth. Luke 1:30-35, the angel came to Mary and said --- “Behold, you shall conceive in your womb, and bring forth a son, and shall call his name Jesus.” --- “The Holy Ghost shall come upon you, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow you: therefore also that Holy One (Jesus) which shall be born of you shall be called the Son of God.”

This was a male sperm inserted into the womb of a virgin. Was this seed taken directly from the Father or the Son? Or was it created? If created, then it can be said Jesus was created like all men. Now, because Mary conceived by supernatural insemination of the Holy Spirit, and the seed was that of God, the child born of this seed was born without spot or blemish, and without a sinful nature.

So, Jesus was of Adam's race according to the flesh, but he did not inherit Adam's nature. Mary's geology is traced back to Adam, Luke 3:38.

This provides us with the evidence, that sin is NOT transmitted through the flesh but through the blood. And though Jesus was of the "seed of David” and of the "seed of Adam" through Mary according to the flesh" He was, 1 Timothy 3:16, “God manifest in the flesh, and as Matthew 1:23 states, “God with us.” That newborn child was born perfectly human in the flesh, and yet perfectly God. And because the seed was that of God, our faith, and his precious blood gave us victory over death and hell.

Romans 5:9, "Justified by His blood we shall be saved from wrath, through Him." The phrase, to be "saved from wrath, through Him"

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onewithhim wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 7:01 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Mar 08, 2025 10:33 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Mar 08, 2025 9:53 pm
marke wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 5:22 pm
onewithhim wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 10:31 am
marke wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:51 am
1213 wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 1:59 pm
placebofactor wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2025 8:57 am
1213 wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2025 1:13 am
placebofactor wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2025 11:34 am ....Or was it created? If created, then it can be said Jesus was created like all men. ...
Bible tells Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. But I would not say he is created the same way as other humans.

… He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation....
Col. 1:14
How many times do you have to be told the meaning of first-born? Go by yourself a good Greek to English Lexicon. If you can't afford one, tell me where you live and I'll send you one.

First-born means the chief, the one highly distinguished and preeminent; ....
Even if first born would mean chief, it says Jesus is the image of God and part of creation.
Marke: God the Son and God the Father existed in unity in heaven before they formed the universe and at the appointed time God formed (created) a body for God the Son to inhabit when He came to earth to redeem men from sin.
Show me where in the Bible the phrase "God the Son" appears. (There is none, and, conversely, "the Son of God" appears a number of times.)
Marke: There is none good but one, and that is Jesus and God.

Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
That's weak. Jesus himself considered himself to not be as good as the Father. It was his assessment. I won't argue with him. It's a flimsy argument to use that verse to prove that Jesus is God. And I don't see you presenting a verse that refers to "God the Son."
Why callest thou me good? not that He denied that He was so, for He was good, both as God and man, in His divine and human natures, Jesus was goodness itself, and did good and nothing else but good. But the reason of the question is, because this young man considered Him only as a mere man, and gave Him this character as such, and which in comparison of God, the fountain of all goodness, agrees with no mere man: wherefore our Lord's view is, by His own language; and from His own words, to instruct him in the knowledge of His proper deity. The only one who have seen the Father, the begotten God Jesus.

Jhn 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known(ESV)
Jhn 1:18 (LSV) No one has ever seen God; the only begotten God who is on the bosom of the Father—He has expounded Him..
King James Version: John 1:18: "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
American Standard Version: John 1:18: "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
Interlinear Bible, in Hebrew, Greek and English: John 1:18: "No one has seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He reveals Him."

Your versions appear to be paraphrased. My versions are not.
Good point, but ESV is not a paraphrase translation.

The English Standard Version (ESV) is an "essentially literal" translation of the Bible in contemporary English. Created by a team of more than 100 leading evangelical scholars and pastors, the ESV Bible emphasizes "word-for-word" accuracy, literary excellence, and depth of meaning.
https://www.google.com/search?q=is+esv+ ... e&ie=UTF-8

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onewithhim wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 10:28 am But what you see reflects the proper context? When Jesus comes back, we'll see who is seeing correctly.
Col 1:15-17 is the best that JW's has to offer when it comes to their Nontrinitarian theology...and not best in the sense of it being true, but the best in the sense that, that's all they've got to offer.

Once you can successfully shoot their understanding of those verses down (it can certainly be shot down, but whether they'll accept it is a different story), then they have nothing.

Do your research on "firstborn" in the Greek, OWH.
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onewithhim wrote: Sat Mar 08, 2025 9:53 pm
marke wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 5:22 pm
onewithhim wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 10:31 am
marke wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:51 am
1213 wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 1:59 pm
placebofactor wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2025 8:57 am
1213 wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2025 1:13 am
placebofactor wrote: Thu Jan 02, 2025 11:34 am ....Or was it created? If created, then it can be said Jesus was created like all men. ...
Bible tells Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. But I would not say he is created the same way as other humans.

… He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation....
Col. 1:14
How many times do you have to be told the meaning of first-born? Go by yourself a good Greek to English Lexicon. If you can't afford one, tell me where you live and I'll send you one.

First-born means the chief, the one highly distinguished and preeminent; ....
Even if first born would mean chief, it says Jesus is the image of God and part of creation.
Marke: God the Son and God the Father existed in unity in heaven before they formed the universe and at the appointed time God formed (created) a body for God the Son to inhabit when He came to earth to redeem men from sin.
Show me where in the Bible the phrase "God the Son" appears. (There is none, and, conversely, "the Son of God" appears a number of times.)
Marke: There is none good but one, and that is Jesus and God.

Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
That's weak. Jesus himself considered himself to not be as good as the Father. It was his assessment. I won't argue with him. It's a flimsy argument to use that verse to prove that Jesus is God. And I don't see you presenting a verse that refers to "God the Son."

Marke: Jesus did not say, "I am also good but just not as good as the Father."

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Capbook wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 3:11 am
onewithhim wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 7:01 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Mar 08, 2025 10:33 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Mar 08, 2025 9:53 pm
marke wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 5:22 pm
onewithhim wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 10:31 am
marke wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:51 am
1213 wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 1:59 pm
placebofactor wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2025 8:57 am
1213 wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2025 1:13 am

Bible tells Jesus is the firstborn of all creation. But I would not say he is created the same way as other humans.

… He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation....
Col. 1:14
How many times do you have to be told the meaning of first-born? Go by yourself a good Greek to English Lexicon. If you can't afford one, tell me where you live and I'll send you one.

First-born means the chief, the one highly distinguished and preeminent; ....
Even if first born would mean chief, it says Jesus is the image of God and part of creation.
Marke: God the Son and God the Father existed in unity in heaven before they formed the universe and at the appointed time God formed (created) a body for God the Son to inhabit when He came to earth to redeem men from sin.
Show me where in the Bible the phrase "God the Son" appears. (There is none, and, conversely, "the Son of God" appears a number of times.)
Marke: There is none good but one, and that is Jesus and God.

Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
That's weak. Jesus himself considered himself to not be as good as the Father. It was his assessment. I won't argue with him. It's a flimsy argument to use that verse to prove that Jesus is God. And I don't see you presenting a verse that refers to "God the Son."
Why callest thou me good? not that He denied that He was so, for He was good, both as God and man, in His divine and human natures, Jesus was goodness itself, and did good and nothing else but good. But the reason of the question is, because this young man considered Him only as a mere man, and gave Him this character as such, and which in comparison of God, the fountain of all goodness, agrees with no mere man: wherefore our Lord's view is, by His own language; and from His own words, to instruct him in the knowledge of His proper deity. The only one who have seen the Father, the begotten God Jesus.

Jhn 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known(ESV)
Jhn 1:18 (LSV) No one has ever seen God; the only begotten God who is on the bosom of the Father—He has expounded Him..
King James Version: John 1:18: "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
American Standard Version: John 1:18: "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
Interlinear Bible, in Hebrew, Greek and English: John 1:18: "No one has seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He reveals Him."

Your versions appear to be paraphrased. My versions are not.
Good point, but ESV is not a paraphrase translation.

The English Standard Version (ESV) is an "essentially literal" translation of the Bible in contemporary English. Created by a team of more than 100 leading evangelical scholars and pastors, the ESV Bible emphasizes "word-for-word" accuracy, literary excellence, and depth of meaning.
https://www.google.com/search?q=is+esv+ ... e&ie=UTF-8
Marke: The ESV is a flawed translation written by flawed scholars.

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marke wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 6:08 pm
Capbook wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 3:11 am
onewithhim wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 7:01 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Mar 08, 2025 10:33 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Mar 08, 2025 9:53 pm
marke wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 5:22 pm
onewithhim wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 10:31 am
marke wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:51 am
1213 wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 1:59 pm
placebofactor wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2025 8:57 am

How many times do you have to be told the meaning of first-born? Go by yourself a good Greek to English Lexicon. If you can't afford one, tell me where you live and I'll send you one.

First-born means the chief, the one highly distinguished and preeminent; ....
Even if first born would mean chief, it says Jesus is the image of God and part of creation.
Marke: God the Son and God the Father existed in unity in heaven before they formed the universe and at the appointed time God formed (created) a body for God the Son to inhabit when He came to earth to redeem men from sin.
Show me where in the Bible the phrase "God the Son" appears. (There is none, and, conversely, "the Son of God" appears a number of times.)
Marke: There is none good but one, and that is Jesus and God.

Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
That's weak. Jesus himself considered himself to not be as good as the Father. It was his assessment. I won't argue with him. It's a flimsy argument to use that verse to prove that Jesus is God. And I don't see you presenting a verse that refers to "God the Son."
Why callest thou me good? not that He denied that He was so, for He was good, both as God and man, in His divine and human natures, Jesus was goodness itself, and did good and nothing else but good. But the reason of the question is, because this young man considered Him only as a mere man, and gave Him this character as such, and which in comparison of God, the fountain of all goodness, agrees with no mere man: wherefore our Lord's view is, by His own language; and from His own words, to instruct him in the knowledge of His proper deity. The only one who have seen the Father, the begotten God Jesus.

Jhn 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known(ESV)
Jhn 1:18 (LSV) No one has ever seen God; the only begotten God who is on the bosom of the Father—He has expounded Him..
King James Version: John 1:18: "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
American Standard Version: John 1:18: "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
Interlinear Bible, in Hebrew, Greek and English: John 1:18: "No one has seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He reveals Him."

Your versions appear to be paraphrased. My versions are not.
Good point, but ESV is not a paraphrase translation.

The English Standard Version (ESV) is an "essentially literal" translation of the Bible in contemporary English. Created by a team of more than 100 leading evangelical scholars and pastors, the ESV Bible emphasizes "word-for-word" accuracy, literary excellence, and depth of meaning.
https://www.google.com/search?q=is+esv+ ... e&ie=UTF-8
Marke: The ESV is a flawed translation written by flawed scholars.
I beg to differ, below were the translators of ESV;

Chaired by Dennis, the fourteen-member Translation Oversight Committee was aided by more than fifty biblical experts serving as review scholars. He also states that the translation committee meets approximately every 5–7 years to consider text revisions.

The original translation committee featured the following notable individuals:[26]

Wayne A. Grudem (Research Professor, Theology and Biblical Studies, Phoenix Seminary)
William D. Mounce (Professor of New Testament, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary)
J. I. Packer (Board of Governors Professor of Theology, Regent College, Vancouver, Canada)
Vern Sheridan Poythress (Professor of New Testament Interpretation, Westminster Theological Seminary; Editor, Westminster Theological Journal)
Gordon Wenham (Old Testament Tutor at Trinity College, Bristol; Emeritus Professor of Old Testament, University of Gloucestershire)
By 2011, Robert H. Mounce and William (Bill) Mounce had become emeritus members.[31] Having served as the ESV New Testament Chair, Bill Mounce's role was assigned to Vern Poythress.[14] Writing on his personal blog in 2009, Mounce described his relationship to the ESV, having accepted a position on the NIV translation committee:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_Standard_Version

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marke wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 6:08 pm
Capbook wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 3:11 am
onewithhim wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 7:01 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Mar 08, 2025 10:33 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Mar 08, 2025 9:53 pm
marke wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 5:22 pm
onewithhim wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 10:31 am
marke wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:51 am
1213 wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 1:59 pm
placebofactor wrote: Fri Jan 03, 2025 8:57 am

How many times do you have to be told the meaning of first-born? Go by yourself a good Greek to English Lexicon. If you can't afford one, tell me where you live and I'll send you one.

First-born means the chief, the one highly distinguished and preeminent; ....
Even if first born would mean chief, it says Jesus is the image of God and part of creation.
Marke: God the Son and God the Father existed in unity in heaven before they formed the universe and at the appointed time God formed (created) a body for God the Son to inhabit when He came to earth to redeem men from sin.
Show me where in the Bible the phrase "God the Son" appears. (There is none, and, conversely, "the Son of God" appears a number of times.)
Marke: There is none good but one, and that is Jesus and God.

Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
That's weak. Jesus himself considered himself to not be as good as the Father. It was his assessment. I won't argue with him. It's a flimsy argument to use that verse to prove that Jesus is God. And I don't see you presenting a verse that refers to "God the Son."
Why callest thou me good? not that He denied that He was so, for He was good, both as God and man, in His divine and human natures, Jesus was goodness itself, and did good and nothing else but good. But the reason of the question is, because this young man considered Him only as a mere man, and gave Him this character as such, and which in comparison of God, the fountain of all goodness, agrees with no mere man: wherefore our Lord's view is, by His own language; and from His own words, to instruct him in the knowledge of His proper deity. The only one who have seen the Father, the begotten God Jesus.

Jhn 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known(ESV)
Jhn 1:18 (LSV) No one has ever seen God; the only begotten God who is on the bosom of the Father—He has expounded Him..
King James Version: John 1:18: "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
American Standard Version: John 1:18: "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
Interlinear Bible, in Hebrew, Greek and English: John 1:18: "No one has seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He reveals Him."

Your versions appear to be paraphrased. My versions are not.
Good point, but ESV is not a paraphrase translation.

The English Standard Version (ESV) is an "essentially literal" translation of the Bible in contemporary English. Created by a team of more than 100 leading evangelical scholars and pastors, the ESV Bible emphasizes "word-for-word" accuracy, literary excellence, and depth of meaning.
https://www.google.com/search?q=is+esv+ ... e&ie=UTF-8
Marke: The ESV is a flawed translation written by flawed scholars.
I would say that it is, and so is the work of "evangelical" scholars. They all accept the teaching of hell-fire, the immortality of the soul, the Trinity, etc. Their work would be biased from the start, and they would translate that way.

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onewithhim wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:23 am
marke wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 6:08 pm
Capbook wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 3:11 am
onewithhim wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 7:01 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Mar 08, 2025 10:33 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Mar 08, 2025 9:53 pm
marke wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 5:22 pm
onewithhim wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 10:31 am
marke wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:51 am
1213 wrote: Sun Jan 05, 2025 1:59 pm

Even if first born would mean chief, it says Jesus is the image of God and part of creation.
Marke: God the Son and God the Father existed in unity in heaven before they formed the universe and at the appointed time God formed (created) a body for God the Son to inhabit when He came to earth to redeem men from sin.
Show me where in the Bible the phrase "God the Son" appears. (There is none, and, conversely, "the Son of God" appears a number of times.)
Marke: There is none good but one, and that is Jesus and God.

Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
That's weak. Jesus himself considered himself to not be as good as the Father. It was his assessment. I won't argue with him. It's a flimsy argument to use that verse to prove that Jesus is God. And I don't see you presenting a verse that refers to "God the Son."
Why callest thou me good? not that He denied that He was so, for He was good, both as God and man, in His divine and human natures, Jesus was goodness itself, and did good and nothing else but good. But the reason of the question is, because this young man considered Him only as a mere man, and gave Him this character as such, and which in comparison of God, the fountain of all goodness, agrees with no mere man: wherefore our Lord's view is, by His own language; and from His own words, to instruct him in the knowledge of His proper deity. The only one who have seen the Father, the begotten God Jesus.

Jhn 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known(ESV)
Jhn 1:18 (LSV) No one has ever seen God; the only begotten God who is on the bosom of the Father—He has expounded Him..
King James Version: John 1:18: "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
American Standard Version: John 1:18: "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
Interlinear Bible, in Hebrew, Greek and English: John 1:18: "No one has seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He reveals Him."

Your versions appear to be paraphrased. My versions are not.
Good point, but ESV is not a paraphrase translation.

The English Standard Version (ESV) is an "essentially literal" translation of the Bible in contemporary English. Created by a team of more than 100 leading evangelical scholars and pastors, the ESV Bible emphasizes "word-for-word" accuracy, literary excellence, and depth of meaning.
https://www.google.com/search?q=is+esv+ ... e&ie=UTF-8
Marke: The ESV is a flawed translation written by flawed scholars.
I would say that it is, and so is the work of "evangelical" scholars. They all accept the teaching of hell-fire, the immortality of the soul, the Trinity, etc. Their work would be biased from the start, and they would translate that way.
Are the ESV translators not convincing to you?
Known word for word translations, (updated editions) together with ESV rendered the same substance.

(UASV+) No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God N7  who is in the bosom of the Father, N8  that one has made him fully known.
(NAS95) No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
(NRSVAue+) No one has ever seen God. It is the only Son, himself God, who N1  is close to the Father’s heart, N2  who has made him
known. R11
(NASB+)  R1 No G3762  one G3762  has seen G3708  God G2316  at any G4455  time G4455 ;  R2God G2316  the only G3439  Son, who is  R3 in the  N1 arms G2859  of the Father G3962 ,  R4 He has  N2 explained G1834  Him.

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Capbook wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 4:23 am
onewithhim wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:23 am
marke wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 6:08 pm
Capbook wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 3:11 am
onewithhim wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 7:01 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Mar 08, 2025 10:33 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Mar 08, 2025 9:53 pm
marke wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 5:22 pm
onewithhim wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 10:31 am
marke wrote: Tue Feb 18, 2025 4:51 am

Marke: God the Son and God the Father existed in unity in heaven before they formed the universe and at the appointed time God formed (created) a body for God the Son to inhabit when He came to earth to redeem men from sin.
Show me where in the Bible the phrase "God the Son" appears. (There is none, and, conversely, "the Son of God" appears a number of times.)
Marke: There is none good but one, and that is Jesus and God.

Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
That's weak. Jesus himself considered himself to not be as good as the Father. It was his assessment. I won't argue with him. It's a flimsy argument to use that verse to prove that Jesus is God. And I don't see you presenting a verse that refers to "God the Son."
Why callest thou me good? not that He denied that He was so, for He was good, both as God and man, in His divine and human natures, Jesus was goodness itself, and did good and nothing else but good. But the reason of the question is, because this young man considered Him only as a mere man, and gave Him this character as such, and which in comparison of God, the fountain of all goodness, agrees with no mere man: wherefore our Lord's view is, by His own language; and from His own words, to instruct him in the knowledge of His proper deity. The only one who have seen the Father, the begotten God Jesus.

Jhn 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known(ESV)
Jhn 1:18 (LSV) No one has ever seen God; the only begotten God who is on the bosom of the Father—He has expounded Him..
King James Version: John 1:18: "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
American Standard Version: John 1:18: "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
Interlinear Bible, in Hebrew, Greek and English: John 1:18: "No one has seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He reveals Him."

Your versions appear to be paraphrased. My versions are not.
Good point, but ESV is not a paraphrase translation.

The English Standard Version (ESV) is an "essentially literal" translation of the Bible in contemporary English. Created by a team of more than 100 leading evangelical scholars and pastors, the ESV Bible emphasizes "word-for-word" accuracy, literary excellence, and depth of meaning.
https://www.google.com/search?q=is+esv+ ... e&ie=UTF-8
Marke: The ESV is a flawed translation written by flawed scholars.
I would say that it is, and so is the work of "evangelical" scholars. They all accept the teaching of hell-fire, the immortality of the soul, the Trinity, etc. Their work would be biased from the start, and they would translate that way.
Are the ESV translators not convincing to you?
Known word for word translations, (updated editions) together with ESV rendered the same substance.

(UASV+) No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God N7  who is in the bosom of the Father, N8  that one has made him fully known.
(NAS95) No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
(NRSVAue+) No one has ever seen God. It is the only Son, himself God, who N1  is close to the Father’s heart, N2  who has made him
known. R11
(NASB+)  R1 No G3762  one G3762  has seen G3708  God G2316  at any G4455  time G4455 ;  R2God G2316  the only G3439  Son, who is  R3 in the  N1 arms G2859  of the Father G3962 ,  R4 He has  N2 explained G1834  Him.
Those are all biased and words are added in the NRSVAue+ which is also paraphrased. The Interlinear Bible in Hebrew, Greek and English translates John 1:18 this way: "No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he reveals Him."

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onewithhim wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 12:15 am
Capbook wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 4:23 am
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marke wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 6:08 pm
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onewithhim wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 10:31 am

Show me where in the Bible the phrase "God the Son" appears. (There is none, and, conversely, "the Son of God" appears a number of times.)
Marke: There is none good but one, and that is Jesus and God.

Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
That's weak. Jesus himself considered himself to not be as good as the Father. It was his assessment. I won't argue with him. It's a flimsy argument to use that verse to prove that Jesus is God. And I don't see you presenting a verse that refers to "God the Son."
Why callest thou me good? not that He denied that He was so, for He was good, both as God and man, in His divine and human natures, Jesus was goodness itself, and did good and nothing else but good. But the reason of the question is, because this young man considered Him only as a mere man, and gave Him this character as such, and which in comparison of God, the fountain of all goodness, agrees with no mere man: wherefore our Lord's view is, by His own language; and from His own words, to instruct him in the knowledge of His proper deity. The only one who have seen the Father, the begotten God Jesus.

Jhn 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known(ESV)
Jhn 1:18 (LSV) No one has ever seen God; the only begotten God who is on the bosom of the Father—He has expounded Him..
King James Version: John 1:18: "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
American Standard Version: John 1:18: "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
Interlinear Bible, in Hebrew, Greek and English: John 1:18: "No one has seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He reveals Him."

Your versions appear to be paraphrased. My versions are not.
Good point, but ESV is not a paraphrase translation.

The English Standard Version (ESV) is an "essentially literal" translation of the Bible in contemporary English. Created by a team of more than 100 leading evangelical scholars and pastors, the ESV Bible emphasizes "word-for-word" accuracy, literary excellence, and depth of meaning.
https://www.google.com/search?q=is+esv+ ... e&ie=UTF-8
Marke: The ESV is a flawed translation written by flawed scholars.
I would say that it is, and so is the work of "evangelical" scholars. They all accept the teaching of hell-fire, the immortality of the soul, the Trinity, etc. Their work would be biased from the start, and they would translate that way.
Are the ESV translators not convincing to you?
Known word for word translations, (updated editions) together with ESV rendered the same substance.

(UASV+) No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God N7  who is in the bosom of the Father, N8  that one has made him fully known.
(NAS95) No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
(NRSVAue+) No one has ever seen God. It is the only Son, himself God, who N1  is close to the Father’s heart, N2  who has made him
known. R11
(NASB+)  R1 No G3762  one G3762  has seen G3708  God G2316  at any G4455  time G4455 ;  R2God G2316  the only G3439  Son, who is  R3 in the  N1 arms G2859  of the Father G3962 ,  R4 He has  N2 explained G1834  Him.
Those are all biased and words are added in the NRSVAue+ which is also paraphrased. The Interlinear Bible in Hebrew, Greek and English translates John 1:18 this way: "No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he reveals Him."
There are some who translates like your resource but mostly are paraphrase translations. Find below online description of my quoted versions;

New American Standard Bible (NASB):
Translation Approach: The NASB is known for its conservative, literal, and word-for-word translation method, aiming to closely reflect the original Hebrew and Greek text.

NRSVue:
The NRSV has been updated to NRSV Updated Edition (NRSVue) to incorporate the latest scholarship and improve accuracy.
It is a popular choice for academic study, ecumenical work, and general reading, and it is available in several major formats.
https://www.google.com/search?q=nasb+vs ... s-wiz-serp

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Re: With God, nothing is impossible.

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Capbook wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 2:44 am
onewithhim wrote: Sat Mar 15, 2025 12:15 am
Capbook wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 4:23 am
onewithhim wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 11:23 am
marke wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 6:08 pm
Capbook wrote: Mon Mar 10, 2025 3:11 am
onewithhim wrote: Sun Mar 09, 2025 7:01 pm
Capbook wrote: Sat Mar 08, 2025 10:33 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Mar 08, 2025 9:53 pm
marke wrote: Fri Mar 07, 2025 5:22 pm

Marke: There is none good but one, and that is Jesus and God.

Matthew 19:17
And he said unto him, Why callest thou me good? there is none good but one, that is, God: but if thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments.
That's weak. Jesus himself considered himself to not be as good as the Father. It was his assessment. I won't argue with him. It's a flimsy argument to use that verse to prove that Jesus is God. And I don't see you presenting a verse that refers to "God the Son."
Why callest thou me good? not that He denied that He was so, for He was good, both as God and man, in His divine and human natures, Jesus was goodness itself, and did good and nothing else but good. But the reason of the question is, because this young man considered Him only as a mere man, and gave Him this character as such, and which in comparison of God, the fountain of all goodness, agrees with no mere man: wherefore our Lord's view is, by His own language; and from His own words, to instruct him in the knowledge of His proper deity. The only one who have seen the Father, the begotten God Jesus.

Jhn 1:18 No one has ever seen God; the only God, who is at the Father's side, he has made him known(ESV)
Jhn 1:18 (LSV) No one has ever seen God; the only begotten God who is on the bosom of the Father—He has expounded Him..
King James Version: John 1:18: "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
American Standard Version: John 1:18: "No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him."
Interlinear Bible, in Hebrew, Greek and English: John 1:18: "No one has seen God at any time; the only-begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He reveals Him."

Your versions appear to be paraphrased. My versions are not.
Good point, but ESV is not a paraphrase translation.

The English Standard Version (ESV) is an "essentially literal" translation of the Bible in contemporary English. Created by a team of more than 100 leading evangelical scholars and pastors, the ESV Bible emphasizes "word-for-word" accuracy, literary excellence, and depth of meaning.
https://www.google.com/search?q=is+esv+ ... e&ie=UTF-8
Marke: The ESV is a flawed translation written by flawed scholars.
I would say that it is, and so is the work of "evangelical" scholars. They all accept the teaching of hell-fire, the immortality of the soul, the Trinity, etc. Their work would be biased from the start, and they would translate that way.
Are the ESV translators not convincing to you?
Known word for word translations, (updated editions) together with ESV rendered the same substance.

(UASV+) No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God N7  who is in the bosom of the Father, N8  that one has made him fully known.
(NAS95) No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten God who is in the bosom of the Father, He has explained Him.
(NRSVAue+) No one has ever seen God. It is the only Son, himself God, who N1  is close to the Father’s heart, N2  who has made him
known. R11
(NASB+)  R1 No G3762  one G3762  has seen G3708  God G2316  at any G4455  time G4455 ;  R2God G2316  the only G3439  Son, who is  R3 in the  N1 arms G2859  of the Father G3962 ,  R4 He has  N2 explained G1834  Him.
Those are all biased and words are added in the NRSVAue+ which is also paraphrased. The Interlinear Bible in Hebrew, Greek and English translates John 1:18 this way: "No one has seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he reveals Him."
There are some who translates like your resource but mostly are paraphrase translations.
They are not paraphrased translations. YOU put your confidence in paraphrased translations, translations that actually ADD words to the verses. The Interlinear Bible that I have translates word-for-word, as does the American Standard Bible, the Revised Standard Version, The New Testament in English by Msgr. R.A. Knox, The 21st Century New Testament, The James Moffett Translation, and others, render the verse:

"No one has ever seen God; the only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has made him known."

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