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Maunday Thursday
Post #1Does anyone who is familiar with Maundy Thursday, the day during Holy Week which commemorates the washing of the feet and last supper of the Messiah with the apostles know what part of Thursday that this took place - during the night time at the beginning of Thursday, or during the daytime toward the end of Thursday?
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Post #21[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #14]
Sorry, I assumed that Maunday Thursday was referring to the 5th day of the week in the Messiah's era. If not, this topic can be closed.
Sorry, I assumed that Maunday Thursday was referring to the 5th day of the week in the Messiah's era. If not, this topic can be closed.
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Post #22Ok, that is a good point. But still, if we believe what Jesus said, he was dead 3 nights. By your example only 2. Also, that the tomb was found empty on Sunday, doesn't necessary mean it is when he was risen. It is possible he had risen earlier. And actually, because the empty tomb was found in the morning, it means he didn't rise on Sunday daytime.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Wed Feb 26, 2025 3:43 amThere is no point in analysing what the bible does NOT say, we have to concentrate on what the bible DOES say. Your insisting on the hours is distracting you from accepting explicit statements made in scripture ...
1 CORINTHIANS 15 v 3b, 4
... Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures; and that he was buried, yes, that he was raised up on the third day+
I also think that third day can in this case also mean third day from the death. If he died Wednesday, third day from that
day would be Saturday.
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Re: Maunday Thursday
Post #23- Three days and three nights means any part of the calender day - just as we speak of the "day" you were born even if you were born in the middle of the night. So your birth-DAY means the day + night you were born.
See Jewish Encyclopedia: https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/5007-day
- he didn't rise on Sunday daytime Nobody is suggesting he did. Jesus did not say he would be raised in the "daytime" (daylight hours) he only said he would be dead for three "days and nights" meaning three calender days (see above)
- Could Jesus have been risen a day earlier? If , according to your calculation, Jesus died on Wednesday, a day earlier than the women found an empty tomb would be Saturday , which would be the FOURTH day from his death
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Post #25What is your source for that statement?
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The Jewish Encyclopedia: https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/5007-day
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Post #26[quote=JehovahsWitness
The Jewish Encyclopedia: https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/5007-day
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Your link says: "The [calendar] day is reckoned from evening to evening—i.e., night and day..."
That is not the same thing as your comment; "Three days and three nights means any part of the calender day..."
If someone told you that they were going to work on a project for a day and a night, would you think that they didn't mean that at least a part of a daytime and at least a part of a night time would be involved?
The Jewish Encyclopedia: https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/5007-day
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Your link says: "The [calendar] day is reckoned from evening to evening—i.e., night and day..."
That is not the same thing as your comment; "Three days and three nights means any part of the calender day..."
If someone told you that they were going to work on a project for a day and a night, would you think that they didn't mean that at least a part of a daytime and at least a part of a night time would be involved?
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Post #27. In Jewish communal life part of a day is at times reckoned as one day; e.g., the day of the funeral, even when the latter takes place late in the afternoon, is counted as the first of the seven days of mourning; a short time in the morning of the seventh day is counted as the seventh day; circumcision takes place on the eighth day, even though of the first day only a few minutes remained after the birth of the child, these being counted as one day.
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Post #28[quote=JehovahsWitness
In Jewish communal life part of a day is at times reckoned as one day; e.g., the day of the funeral, even when the latter takes place late in the afternoon, is counted as the first of the seven daysof mourning; a short time in the morning of the seventh day is counted as the seventh day; circumcision takes place on the eighth day, even though of the first day only a few minutes remained after the birth of the child, these being counted as one day
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I agree 100 percent. But where is it said that a daytime was counted as a daytime when no part of a daytime occurred, or where a night time was counted a night time when no part of a night time occurred?
In Jewish communal life part of a day is at times reckoned as one day; e.g., the day of the funeral, even when the latter takes place late in the afternoon, is counted as the first of the seven daysof mourning; a short time in the morning of the seventh day is counted as the seventh day; circumcision takes place on the eighth day, even though of the first day only a few minutes remained after the birth of the child, these being counted as one day
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I agree 100 percent. But where is it said that a daytime was counted as a daytime when no part of a daytime occurred, or where a night time was counted a night time when no part of a night time occurred?
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Post #29Why are you asking me this question? What has it to do with anything I have written?
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Post #30[Replying to JehovahsWitness in post #29]
You initially said that three days and three nights means any part of the calendar day. I asked for your source for that. You provided a The Jewish Encyclopedia link.
Your link says: "The [calendar] day is reckoned from evening to evening—i.e., night and day..."
I replied that that is not the same thing as your comment; "Three days and three nights means any part of the calendar day..."
You replied with: "In Jewish communal life part of a day is at times reckoned as one day; e.g., the day of the funeral, even when the latter takes place late in the afternoon, is counted as the first of the seven days of mourning; a short time in the morning of the seventh day is counted as the seventh day; circumcision takes place on the eighth day, even though of the first day only a few minutes remained after the birth of the child, these being counted as one day."
I thought your posts were trying to justify the lack of a 3rd night which would be the case with a Friday crucifixion. If I'm wrong about that I apologize.
You initially said that three days and three nights means any part of the calendar day. I asked for your source for that. You provided a The Jewish Encyclopedia link.
Your link says: "The [calendar] day is reckoned from evening to evening—i.e., night and day..."
I replied that that is not the same thing as your comment; "Three days and three nights means any part of the calendar day..."
You replied with: "In Jewish communal life part of a day is at times reckoned as one day; e.g., the day of the funeral, even when the latter takes place late in the afternoon, is counted as the first of the seven days of mourning; a short time in the morning of the seventh day is counted as the seventh day; circumcision takes place on the eighth day, even though of the first day only a few minutes remained after the birth of the child, these being counted as one day."
I thought your posts were trying to justify the lack of a 3rd night which would be the case with a Friday crucifixion. If I'm wrong about that I apologize.