Is it one, or is it tw?

[placebofactor]

1 Peter 1:1, “Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ,”
How many offices does Peter hold?

Isaiah 45:21, "A just God and a Savior; there is none beside me.”
Is the reference to one or two people?

Titus 2:13, “Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ: who gave himself to us”
How many individuals was Paul referring to when he said, “the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ:”

Jehovah’s Witnesses claim it’s both the Father and Son who are going to appear, or is Jesus being referred to as both God and Savior as in Isaiah 45:21?

John 20:27-28, Jesus said to Thomas, “Reach hither your finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.”

How many people was Thomas referring to when he said, “My Lord and my God?” The Witnesses calm Thomas is referring to both the Father and Jesus, is that true?

Acts 2:9, “Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites,”
How many nations are mentioned?

Matthew 28:19, “Go you therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Ghost.”
How many individuals are mentioned, two or three? Witnesses claim it’s two, not three.

[JehovahsWitness]

"Some scholars" You forgot to mention which ones.

THE article doesn't say which ones, so I cannot say. The point us the publishers do not claim that point of view as their own; so you are in error to suggest they did

[placebofactor]

How many people was Thomas referring to when he said, “My Lord and my God?” The Witnesses calm Thomas is referring to both the Father and Jesus...

If by "The Witnesses" you are referring to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES , the Watchtower Society of Jehovah's Witnesses have actually published the following .

what about the apostle Thomas’ saying, “My Lord and my God!” to Jesus at John 20:28? To Thomas, Jesus was like “a god,” especially in the miraculous circumstances that prompted his exclamation. Some scholars suggest that Thomas may simply have made an emotional exclamation of astonishment, spoken to Jesus but directed to God. In either case, Thomas did not think that Jesus was Almighty God, for he and all the other apostles knew that Jesus never claimed to be God but taught that Jehovah alone is “the only true God.”—John 17:3.

I love the words and phrases you use to cover up the truth. "Jesus was like a god." "Miraculous circumstances" "prompted his exclamation." "Some scholars" You forgot to mention which ones. "Tomas may have simply have made an emotional exclamation of ASTONISHMENT." "He spoke to Jesus but directed to God." "I love this one, "In either case" What case would that be?

"Thomas did not think that Jesus was Almighty God." Were you there? That's one of the most deceptive statements I have ever heard.

You say Jesus never called to be God. Let me ask you one question, "Did Jesus created the heaven, and earth? I am not asking you if the Father sent him, or was the Father's active force with him, my question requires a yes or no. "Did Jesus create the heaven and the earth.

Source : https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/Sho ... oof-Texts/

To avoid posting misinformation, you can check your sources about the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses by consulting their official website : www.jw.org

JW

Only a Witness can keep up with their changes. I've had enough conversations with Jehovah's Witnesses about John 20:28. Here's what they have said to be a hundred times, Tomas was talking to both Jehovah and Jesus, and don't call me a liar. I've been dealing with Witnesses for forty years.

The Witnesses have given you as valid an answer as what you could say. There is the entire Bible to go against Thomas calling Jesus God. If he wasn't speaking to Jehovah as well, then he was just exclaiming, like we do hundreds of times in our lives, "Oh my God!" Just an exclamation of wonderment. There is no other place in the gospel that calls Jesus God, or even any of the N.T. There is SO MUCH to show that Jesus always looked UP to his Father and declared only that he is God's Son. If John was writing that Thomas was calling Jesus God, he had the opportunity to underscore that idea after that exclamation by John himself agreeing with Thomas, but John didn't say anything close to that. Indeed, in chapter 20 at the end, John could have made a statement that would put it all straight that Jesus is God, but he didn't. He said: "But these are written , that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the SON of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name." (John 20:31, KJV)

How can you base your religious opinions on such shaky and tenuous phrases that can be taken many ways, such as John 1:1 and John 8:58? They could be taken in a variety of ways. They are most likely the victims of bad translation. You can't say that about John 20:31 or John 10:36 or John 20:17 or Revelation 3:12 or any other passage that shows Jesus subservient to his Father. (John 5:19; John 12:49,50; John 14:28; John 15:10; John 17:3) Can you?

Conversation over!

[Capbook]

How many people was Thomas referring to when he said, “My Lord and my God?” The Witnesses calm Thomas is referring to both the Father and Jesus...

If by "The Witnesses" you are referring to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES , the Watchtower Society of Jehovah's Witnesses have actually published the following .

what about the apostle Thomas’ saying, “My Lord and my God!” to Jesus at John 20:28? To Thomas, Jesus was like “a god,” especially in the miraculous circumstances that prompted his exclamation. Some scholars suggest that Thomas may simply have made an emotional exclamation of astonishment, spoken to Jesus but directed to God. In either case, Thomas did not think that Jesus was Almighty God, for he and all the other apostles knew that Jesus never claimed to be God but taught that Jehovah alone is “the only true God.”—John 17:3.

I love the words and phrases you use to cover up the truth. "Jesus was like a god." "Miraculous circumstances" "prompted his exclamation." "Some scholars" You forgot to mention which ones. "Tomas may have simply have made an emotional exclamation of ASTONISHMENT." "He spoke to Jesus but directed to God." "I love this one, "In either case" What case would that be?

"Thomas did not think that Jesus was Almighty God." Were you there? That's one of the most deceptive statements I have ever heard.

You say Jesus never called to be God. Let me ask you one question, "Did Jesus created the heaven, and earth? I am not asking you if the Father sent him, or was the Father's active force with him, my question requires a yes or no. "Did Jesus create the heaven and the earth.

Source : https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/Sho ... oof-Texts/

To avoid posting misinformation, you can check your sources about the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses by consulting their official website : www.jw.org

JW

Only a Witness can keep up with their changes. I've had enough conversations with Jehovah's Witnesses about John 20:28. Here's what they have said to be a hundred times, Tomas was talking to both Jehovah and Jesus, and don't call me a liar. I've been dealing with Witnesses for forty years.

The Witnesses have given you as valid an answer as what you could say. There is the entire Bible to go against Thomas calling Jesus God. If he wasn't speaking to Jehovah as well, then he was just exclaiming, like we do hundreds of times in our lives, "Oh my God!" Just an exclamation of wonderment. There is no other place in the gospel that calls Jesus God, or even any of the N.T. There is SO MUCH to show that Jesus always looked UP to his Father and declared only that he is God's Son. If John was writing that Thomas was calling Jesus God, he had the opportunity to underscore that idea after that exclamation by John himself agreeing with Thomas, but John didn't say anything close to that. Indeed, in chapter 20 at the end, John could have made a statement that would put it all straight that Jesus is God, but he didn't. He said: "But these are written , that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the SON of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name." (John 20:31, KJV)

How can you base your religious opinions on such shaky and tenuous phrases that can be taken many ways, such as John 1:1 and John 8:58? They could be taken in a variety of ways. They are most likely the victims of bad translation. You can't say that about John 20:31 or John 10:36 or John 20:17 or Revelation 3:12 or any other passage that shows Jesus subservient to his Father. (John 5:19; John 12:49,50; John 14:28; John 15:10; John 17:3) Can you?

What is your interpretation with that "life" above I colored red? (John 20:31)

[onewithhim]

How many people was Thomas referring to when he said, “My Lord and my God?” The Witnesses calm Thomas is referring to both the Father and Jesus...

If by "The Witnesses" you are referring to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES , the Watchtower Society of Jehovah's Witnesses have actually published the following .

what about the apostle Thomas’ saying, “My Lord and my God!” to Jesus at John 20:28? To Thomas, Jesus was like “a god,” especially in the miraculous circumstances that prompted his exclamation. Some scholars suggest that Thomas may simply have made an emotional exclamation of astonishment, spoken to Jesus but directed to God. In either case, Thomas did not think that Jesus was Almighty God, for he and all the other apostles knew that Jesus never claimed to be God but taught that Jehovah alone is “the only true God.”—John 17:3.

I love the words and phrases you use to cover up the truth. "Jesus was like a god." "Miraculous circumstances" "prompted his exclamation." "Some scholars" You forgot to mention which ones. "Tomas may have simply have made an emotional exclamation of ASTONISHMENT." "He spoke to Jesus but directed to God." "I love this one, "In either case" What case would that be?

"Thomas did not think that Jesus was Almighty God." Were you there? That's one of the most deceptive statements I have ever heard.

You say Jesus never called to be God. Let me ask you one question, "Did Jesus created the heaven, and earth? I am not asking you if the Father sent him, or was the Father's active force with him, my question requires a yes or no. "Did Jesus create the heaven and the earth.

Source : https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/Sho ... oof-Texts/

To avoid posting misinformation, you can check your sources about the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses by consulting their official website : www.jw.org

JW

Only a Witness can keep up with their changes. I've had enough conversations with Jehovah's Witnesses about John 20:28. Here's what they have said to be a hundred times, Tomas was talking to both Jehovah and Jesus, and don't call me a liar. I've been dealing with Witnesses for forty years.

The Witnesses have given you as valid an answer as what you could say. There is the entire Bible to go against Thomas calling Jesus God. If he wasn't speaking to Jehovah as well, then he was just exclaiming, like we do hundreds of times in our lives, "Oh my God!" Just an exclamation of wonderment. There is no other place in the gospel that calls Jesus God, or even any of the N.T. There is SO MUCH to show that Jesus always looked UP to his Father and declared only that he is God's Son. If John was writing that Thomas was calling Jesus God, he had the opportunity to underscore that idea after that exclamation by John himself agreeing with Thomas, but John didn't say anything close to that. Indeed, in chapter 20 at the end, John could have made a statement that would put it all straight that Jesus is God, but he didn't. He said: "But these are written , that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the SON of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name." (John 20:31, KJV)

How can you base your religious opinions on such shaky and tenuous phrases that can be taken many ways, such as John 1:1 and John 8:58? They could be taken in a variety of ways. They are most likely the victims of bad translation. You can't say that about John 20:31 or John 10:36 or John 20:17 or Revelation 3:12 or any other passage that shows Jesus subservient to his Father. (John 5:19; John 12:49,50; John 14:28; John 15:10; John 17:3) Can you?

What is your interpretation with that "life" above I colored red? (John 20:31)

Eternal life.

[placebofactor]

How many people was Thomas referring to when he said, “My Lord and my God?” The Witnesses calm Thomas is referring to both the Father and Jesus...

If by "The Witnesses" you are referring to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES , the Watchtower Society of Jehovah's Witnesses have actually published the following .

what about the apostle Thomas’ saying, “My Lord and my God!” to Jesus at John 20:28? To Thomas, Jesus was like “a god,” especially in the miraculous circumstances that prompted his exclamation. Some scholars suggest that Thomas may simply have made an emotional exclamation of astonishment, spoken to Jesus but directed to God. In either case, Thomas did not think that Jesus was Almighty God, for he and all the other apostles knew that Jesus never claimed to be God but taught that Jehovah alone is “the only true God.”—John 17:3.

I love the words and phrases you use to cover up the truth. "Jesus was like a god." "Miraculous circumstances" "prompted his exclamation." "Some scholars" You forgot to mention which ones. "Tomas may have simply have made an emotional exclamation of ASTONISHMENT." "He spoke to Jesus but directed to God." "I love this one, "In either case" What case would that be?

"Thomas did not think that Jesus was Almighty God." Were you there? That's one of the most deceptive statements I have ever heard.

You say Jesus never called to be God. Let me ask you one question, "Did Jesus created the heaven, and earth? I am not asking you if the Father sent him, or was the Father's active force with him, my question requires a yes or no. "Did Jesus create the heaven and the earth.

Source : https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/Sho ... oof-Texts/

To avoid posting misinformation, you can check your sources about the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses by consulting their official website : www.jw.org

JW

Only a Witness can keep up with their changes. I've had enough conversations with Jehovah's Witnesses about John 20:28. Here's what they have said to be a hundred times, Tomas was talking to both Jehovah and Jesus, and don't call me a liar. I've been dealing with Witnesses for forty years.

The Witnesses have given you as valid an answer as what you could say. There is the entire Bible to go against Thomas calling Jesus God. If he wasn't speaking to Jehovah as well, then he was just exclaiming, like we do hundreds of times in our lives, "Oh my God!" Just an exclamation of wonderment. There is no other place in the gospel that calls Jesus God, or even any of the N.T. There is SO MUCH to show that Jesus always looked UP to his Father and declared only that he is God's Son. If John was writing that Thomas was calling Jesus God, he had the opportunity to underscore that idea after that exclamation by John himself agreeing with Thomas, but John didn't say anything close to that. Indeed, in chapter 20 at the end, John could have made a statement that would put it all straight that Jesus is God, but he didn't. He said: "But these are written , that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the SON of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name." (John 20:31, KJV)

How can you base your religious opinions on such shaky and tenuous phrases that can be taken many ways, such as John 1:1 and John 8:58? They could be taken in a variety of ways. They are most likely the victims of bad translation. You can't say that about John 20:31 or John 10:36 or John 20:17 or Revelation 3:12 or any other passage that shows Jesus subservient to his Father. (John 5:19; John 12:49,50; John 14:28; John 15:10; John 17:3) Can you?

What is your interpretation with that "life" above I colored red? (John 20:31)

"Eternal life"

[onewithhim]

How many people was Thomas referring to when he said, “My Lord and my God?” The Witnesses calm Thomas is referring to both the Father and Jesus...

If by "The Witnesses" you are referring to JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES , the Watchtower Society of Jehovah's Witnesses have actually published the following .

what about the apostle Thomas’ saying, “My Lord and my God!” to Jesus at John 20:28? To Thomas, Jesus was like “a god,” especially in the miraculous circumstances that prompted his exclamation. Some scholars suggest that Thomas may simply have made an emotional exclamation of astonishment, spoken to Jesus but directed to God. In either case, Thomas did not think that Jesus was Almighty God, for he and all the other apostles knew that Jesus never claimed to be God but taught that Jehovah alone is “the only true God.”—John 17:3.

I love the words and phrases you use to cover up the truth. "Jesus was like a god." "Miraculous circumstances" "prompted his exclamation." "Some scholars" You forgot to mention which ones. "Tomas may have simply have made an emotional exclamation of ASTONISHMENT." "He spoke to Jesus but directed to God." "I love this one, "In either case" What case would that be?

"Thomas did not think that Jesus was Almighty God." Were you there? That's one of the most deceptive statements I have ever heard.

You say Jesus never called to be God. Let me ask you one question, "Did Jesus created the heaven, and earth? I am not asking you if the Father sent him, or was the Father's active force with him, my question requires a yes or no. "Did Jesus create the heaven and the earth.

Source : https://www.jw.org/en/library/books/Sho ... oof-Texts/

To avoid posting misinformation, you can check your sources about the teachings of Jehovah's Witnesses by consulting their official website : www.jw.org

JW

Only a Witness can keep up with their changes. I've had enough conversations with Jehovah's Witnesses about John 20:28. Here's what they have said to be a hundred times, Tomas was talking to both Jehovah and Jesus, and don't call me a liar. I've been dealing with Witnesses for forty years.

The Witnesses have given you as valid an answer as what you could say. There is the entire Bible to go against Thomas calling Jesus God. If he wasn't speaking to Jehovah as well, then he was just exclaiming, like we do hundreds of times in our lives, "Oh my God!" Just an exclamation of wonderment. There is no other place in the gospel that calls Jesus God, or even any of the N.T. There is SO MUCH to show that Jesus always looked UP to his Father and declared only that he is God's Son. If John was writing that Thomas was calling Jesus God, he had the opportunity to underscore that idea after that exclamation by John himself agreeing with Thomas, but John didn't say anything close to that. Indeed, in chapter 20 at the end, John could have made a statement that would put it all straight that Jesus is God, but he didn't. He said: "But these are written , that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the SON of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name." (John 20:31, KJV)

How can you base your religious opinions on such shaky and tenuous phrases that can be taken many ways, such as John 1:1 and John 8:58? They could be taken in a variety of ways. They are most likely the victims of bad translation. You can't say that about John 20:31 or John 10:36 or John 20:17 or Revelation 3:12 or any other passage that shows Jesus subservient to his Father. (John 5:19; John 12:49,50; John 14:28; John 15:10; John 17:3) Can you?

Conversation over!

Placebofactor, I thought you said that the conversation was over.

[marke]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #1]


Isaiah is speaking about the true God= YHVH(Jehovah) At that point was the only savior.
Upon Jesus completion of the ransom sacrifice he became savior as well. Without that sacrifice, none would be saved.

Marke: I don't subscribe to the idea that after His death on the cross there were two Saviors rather than one. Neither do I subscribe to the idea that there are two Gods to be worshipped, one all-powerful in heaven and one lesser 'god' on earth.

[servant1]

[Replying to marke in post #17]


Jesus doesn't get worship. Catholicism twisted the Greek word Proskenaue--it carries 5 different meanings-1) worship to God( capitol G) 2) obeisance to a king-3) honor to a judge, and 2 others-Obeisance is what Jesus gets.
god( small g) means has godlike qualities

[marke]

[Replying to marke in post #17]


Jesus doesn't get worship. Catholicism twisted the Greek word Proskenaue--it carries 5 different meanings-1) worship to God( capitol G) 2) obeisance to a king-3) honor to a judge, and 2 others-Obeisance is what Jesus gets.
god( small g) means has godlike qualities

Marke: I believe God, not men.

Hebrews 1:6
And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him.

[servant1]

[Replying to marke in post #19]


Its 100% fact Catholicism put worship when obeisance is correct.