Question; Why did the K.J.B. put each letter of the name of JESUS in upper case in Matthew 1:21 and 25?
And why did all other Bibles using the corrupted A. Codex Alexandrinus, and B. Vatican 1209, 4th century as their foundation put the Lord's name in a lower-case "Jesus?" These other Bibles are the N.I.V., N.W.T., N.A.S.V. Revised Standard, and all other modern-day editions.
Matthew 1:21, “And (Joseph) knew her (Mary) not till she had brought forth her firstborn son: and he called his name JESUS.”
Why is JESUS is all upper case?
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Re: Why is JESUS is all upper case?
Post #21I confirmed that even if my son had everything that was mine, he still wouldn't be equal to me.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:22 pmOf course because you are not God, we don't what they have.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:05 pmNo it is not. My father might have given me everything that he has, but that doesn't make me equal to him.Capbook wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 3:44 pmYes, no man can say that, "all that the Father has is mine", that is equality with the Father. (John 16:15)onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 2:37 pmNo, I am but a fleshly human being.Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:55 pmYou've said that the Father has made His words know to you.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 9:25 pmI'm sorry, I don't understand your question.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 2:27 pmCan any of you JWs say that all the God the Father has are also yours?onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 4:22 pmI have seen the Holy Spirit work wonders, and its influence on God's people, true Christians. Jehovah has made his words known to us, and we try every day to be obeying his correction.Capbook wrote: ↑Wed Jan 29, 2025 5:01 pmYes, we will learn much more when we follow God's guidance. I"m trying to turn to your correction Lord. Help us.onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Jan 23, 2025 11:32 am
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Can you say that, all what the Father has you have?
You just confirmed that you cannot say, "all that the Father (God) has is mine" that means we are not equal to Him.
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Re: Why is JESUS is all upper case?
Post #22Good example.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:31 pmI confirmed that even if my son had everything that was mine, he still wouldn't be equal to me.
Furthermore, it is logical that when Jesus says that everything the Father has is his, he means that he can dispose of it by the authority he received from the Father himself. This is what an heir does when he receives the right to dispose of the goods he receives.
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Re: Why is JESUS is all upper case?
Post #23In the state of being human, you and your son before God are equal as being children of God when have faith in Him.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:31 pmI confirmed that even if my son had everything that was mine, he still wouldn't be equal to me.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:22 pmOf course because you are not God, we don't what they have.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:05 pmNo it is not. My father might have given me everything that he has, but that doesn't make me equal to him.Capbook wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 3:44 pmYes, no man can say that, "all that the Father has is mine", that is equality with the Father. (John 16:15)onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 2:37 pmNo, I am but a fleshly human being.Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:55 pmYou've said that the Father has made His words know to you.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 9:25 pmI'm sorry, I don't understand your question.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 2:27 pmCan any of you JWs say that all the God the Father has are also yours?onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 4:22 pmI have seen the Holy Spirit work wonders, and its influence on God's people, true Christians. Jehovah has made his words known to us, and we try every day to be obeying his correction.
Can you say that, all what the Father has you have?
You just confirmed that you cannot say, "all that the Father (God) has is mine" that means we are not equal to Him.
And man cannot be equal with God. Jesus as man cannot be equal with God.
But Jesus in the state of being God is equal with God. (Col 2:9)
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Re: Why is JESUS is all upper case?
Post #24No, not at all. As my son and myself are not equal, neither are Jesus and his Father equal. Colossians 2:9 does not show that Jesus is equal to his Father. It says that all the fullness of the deity dwells in the Christ. Whose deity dwells within the Christ? It is the Father's deity, and it doesn't even hint that the two are equal. Jesus just has all the attributes of his Father, and much of His knowledge, as he has been taught from the Father. See John 5:19:Capbook wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 10:32 amIn the state of being human, you and your son before God are equal as being children of God when have faith in Him.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:31 pmI confirmed that even if my son had everything that was mine, he still wouldn't be equal to me.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:22 pmOf course because you are not God, we don't what they have.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:05 pmNo it is not. My father might have given me everything that he has, but that doesn't make me equal to him.Capbook wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 3:44 pmYes, no man can say that, "all that the Father has is mine", that is equality with the Father. (John 16:15)onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 2:37 pmNo, I am but a fleshly human being.Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:55 pmYou've said that the Father has made His words know to you.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 9:25 pmI'm sorry, I don't understand your question.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Feb 01, 2025 2:27 pmCan any of you JWs say that all the God the Father has are also yours?onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Jan 31, 2025 4:22 pm
I have seen the Holy Spirit work wonders, and its influence on God's people, true Christians. Jehovah has made his words known to us, and we try every day to be obeying his correction.
Can you say that, all what the Father has you have?
You just confirmed that you cannot say, "all that the Father (God) has is mine" that means we are not equal to Him.
And man cannot be equal with God. Jesus as man cannot be equal with God.
But Jesus in the state of being God is equal with God. (Col 2:9)
"Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of himself, unless it it is something he sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner.'" (NASB)
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Re: Why is JESUS is all upper case?
Post #25Before God in faith, are we not all equal as children of God? Does you and your son doesn't pray to the Father? (Mat 6:9)onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2025 9:53 amNo, not at all. As my son and myself are not equal, neither are Jesus and his Father equal. Colossians 2:9 does not show that Jesus is equal to his Father. It says that all the fullness of the deity dwells in the Christ. Whose deity dwells within the Christ? It is the Father's deity, and it doesn't even hint that the two are equal. Jesus just has all the attributes of his Father, and much of His knowledge, as he has been taught from the Father. See John 5:19:Capbook wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 10:32 amIn the state of being human, you and your son before God are equal as being children of God when have faith in Him.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:31 pmI confirmed that even if my son had everything that was mine, he still wouldn't be equal to me.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:22 pmOf course because you are not God, we don't what they have.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:05 pmNo it is not. My father might have given me everything that he has, but that doesn't make me equal to him.Capbook wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 3:44 pmYes, no man can say that, "all that the Father has is mine", that is equality with the Father. (John 16:15)onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 2:37 pmNo, I am but a fleshly human being.Capbook wrote: ↑Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:55 pmYou've said that the Father has made His words know to you.
Can you say that, all what the Father has you have?
You just confirmed that you cannot say, "all that the Father (God) has is mine" that means we are not equal to Him.
And man cannot be equal with God. Jesus as man cannot be equal with God.
But Jesus in the state of being God is equal with God. (Col 2:9)
"Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of himself, unless it it is something he sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner.'" (NASB)
For in him dwells all the fulness of the Godhead. In Christ dwells all the fulness the state of being God, the most full Godhead, not only divine powers, but divine nature, bodily, personally, substantially the very substance of God. (Col 1:19)
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Re: Why is JESUS is all upper case?
Post #26No. Jesus exemplifies his Father's attributes and has learned much of what the Father knows and has shown him. He is the substance of God, which is spirit, but he is not God. (John 4:24; I Timothy 6:16)Capbook wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2025 4:43 pmBefore God in faith, are we not all equal as children of God? Does you and your son doesn't pray to the Father? (Mat 6:9)onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2025 9:53 amNo, not at all. As my son and myself are not equal, neither are Jesus and his Father equal. Colossians 2:9 does not show that Jesus is equal to his Father. It says that all the fullness of the deity dwells in the Christ. Whose deity dwells within the Christ? It is the Father's deity, and it doesn't even hint that the two are equal. Jesus just has all the attributes of his Father, and much of His knowledge, as he has been taught from the Father. See John 5:19:Capbook wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 10:32 amIn the state of being human, you and your son before God are equal as being children of God when have faith in Him.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:31 pmI confirmed that even if my son had everything that was mine, he still wouldn't be equal to me.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:22 pmOf course because you are not God, we don't what they have.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:05 pmNo it is not. My father might have given me everything that he has, but that doesn't make me equal to him.Capbook wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 3:44 pmYes, no man can say that, "all that the Father has is mine", that is equality with the Father. (John 16:15)onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 2:37 pmNo, I am but a fleshly human being.
You just confirmed that you cannot say, "all that the Father (God) has is mine" that means we are not equal to Him.
And man cannot be equal with God. Jesus as man cannot be equal with God.
But Jesus in the state of being God is equal with God. (Col 2:9)
"Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of himself, unless it it is something he sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner.'" (NASB)
For in him dwells all the fulness of the Godhead. In Christ dwells all the fulness the state of being God, the most full Godhead, not only divine powers, but divine nature, bodily, personally, substantially the very substance of God. (Col 1:19)
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Re: Why is JESUS is all upper case?
Post #27Yes, and why you worship and serve Jesus? You disobey.onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2025 7:17 pmNo. Jesus exemplifies his Father's attributes and has learned much of what the Father knows and has shown him. He is the substance of God, which is spirit, but he is not God. (John 4:24; I Timothy 6:16)Capbook wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2025 4:43 pmBefore God in faith, are we not all equal as children of God? Does you and your son doesn't pray to the Father? (Mat 6:9)onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2025 9:53 amNo, not at all. As my son and myself are not equal, neither are Jesus and his Father equal. Colossians 2:9 does not show that Jesus is equal to his Father. It says that all the fullness of the deity dwells in the Christ. Whose deity dwells within the Christ? It is the Father's deity, and it doesn't even hint that the two are equal. Jesus just has all the attributes of his Father, and much of His knowledge, as he has been taught from the Father. See John 5:19:Capbook wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 10:32 amIn the state of being human, you and your son before God are equal as being children of God when have faith in Him.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:31 pmI confirmed that even if my son had everything that was mine, he still wouldn't be equal to me.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:22 pmOf course because you are not God, we don't what they have.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:05 pmNo it is not. My father might have given me everything that he has, but that doesn't make me equal to him.Capbook wrote: ↑Fri Feb 07, 2025 3:44 pmYes, no man can say that, "all that the Father has is mine", that is equality with the Father. (John 16:15)
You just confirmed that you cannot say, "all that the Father (God) has is mine" that means we are not equal to Him.
And man cannot be equal with God. Jesus as man cannot be equal with God.
But Jesus in the state of being God is equal with God. (Col 2:9)
"Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of himself, unless it it is something he sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner.'" (NASB)
For in him dwells all the fulness of the Godhead. In Christ dwells all the fulness the state of being God, the most full Godhead, not only divine powers, but divine nature, bodily, personally, substantially the very substance of God. (Col 1:19)
Jesus said worship God and serve Him only. (Mat 4:10)
Whose words you will only obey? The Father or Jesus?
Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
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Re: Why is JESUS is all upper case?
Post #28I don't worship Jesus the same way that I worship Jehovah. In obeying Jesus, we are obeying the Father, because Jehovah said to "listen to him." The Father taught Jesus all that Jesus knows, and the Father's words are in Jesus' mouth, so to speak. Honour definitely belongs to Jesus, but not the same honour that goes to the Father who is the Source of life.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 4:00 pmYes, and why you worship and serve Jesus? You disobey.onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2025 7:17 pmNo. Jesus exemplifies his Father's attributes and has learned much of what the Father knows and has shown him. He is the substance of God, which is spirit, but he is not God. (John 4:24; I Timothy 6:16)Capbook wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2025 4:43 pmBefore God in faith, are we not all equal as children of God? Does you and your son doesn't pray to the Father? (Mat 6:9)onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2025 9:53 amNo, not at all. As my son and myself are not equal, neither are Jesus and his Father equal. Colossians 2:9 does not show that Jesus is equal to his Father. It says that all the fullness of the deity dwells in the Christ. Whose deity dwells within the Christ? It is the Father's deity, and it doesn't even hint that the two are equal. Jesus just has all the attributes of his Father, and much of His knowledge, as he has been taught from the Father. See John 5:19:Capbook wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 10:32 amIn the state of being human, you and your son before God are equal as being children of God when have faith in Him.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:31 pmI confirmed that even if my son had everything that was mine, he still wouldn't be equal to me.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:22 pmOf course because you are not God, we don't what they have.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:05 pmNo it is not. My father might have given me everything that he has, but that doesn't make me equal to him.
You just confirmed that you cannot say, "all that the Father (God) has is mine" that means we are not equal to Him.
And man cannot be equal with God. Jesus as man cannot be equal with God.
But Jesus in the state of being God is equal with God. (Col 2:9)
"Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of himself, unless it it is something he sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner.'" (NASB)
For in him dwells all the fulness of the Godhead. In Christ dwells all the fulness the state of being God, the most full Godhead, not only divine powers, but divine nature, bodily, personally, substantially the very substance of God. (Col 1:19)
Jesus said worship God and serve Him only. (Mat 4:10)
Whose words you will only obey? The Father or Jesus?
Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Jesus said: "I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50, KJV)
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Re: Why is JESUS is all upper case?
Post #29Yes, as you state, the Father said, "listen to Him (Jesus).onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 8:46 pmI don't worship Jesus the same way that I worship Jehovah. In obeying Jesus, we are obeying the Father, because Jehovah said to "listen to him." The Father taught Jesus all that Jesus knows, and the Father's words are in Jesus' mouth, so to speak. Honour definitely belongs to Jesus, but not the same honour that goes to the Father who is the Source of life.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 4:00 pmYes, and why you worship and serve Jesus? You disobey.onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2025 7:17 pmNo. Jesus exemplifies his Father's attributes and has learned much of what the Father knows and has shown him. He is the substance of God, which is spirit, but he is not God. (John 4:24; I Timothy 6:16)Capbook wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2025 4:43 pmBefore God in faith, are we not all equal as children of God? Does you and your son doesn't pray to the Father? (Mat 6:9)onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2025 9:53 amNo, not at all. As my son and myself are not equal, neither are Jesus and his Father equal. Colossians 2:9 does not show that Jesus is equal to his Father. It says that all the fullness of the deity dwells in the Christ. Whose deity dwells within the Christ? It is the Father's deity, and it doesn't even hint that the two are equal. Jesus just has all the attributes of his Father, and much of His knowledge, as he has been taught from the Father. See John 5:19:Capbook wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 10:32 amIn the state of being human, you and your son before God are equal as being children of God when have faith in Him.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:31 pmI confirmed that even if my son had everything that was mine, he still wouldn't be equal to me.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:22 pmOf course because you are not God, we don't what they have.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:05 pmNo it is not. My father might have given me everything that he has, but that doesn't make me equal to him.
You just confirmed that you cannot say, "all that the Father (God) has is mine" that means we are not equal to Him.
And man cannot be equal with God. Jesus as man cannot be equal with God.
But Jesus in the state of being God is equal with God. (Col 2:9)
"Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of himself, unless it it is something he sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner.'" (NASB)
For in him dwells all the fulness of the Godhead. In Christ dwells all the fulness the state of being God, the most full Godhead, not only divine powers, but divine nature, bodily, personally, substantially the very substance of God. (Col 1:19)
Jesus said worship God and serve Him only. (Mat 4:10)
Whose words you will only obey? The Father or Jesus?
Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Jesus said: "I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50, KJV)
But Jesus said, worship the Father and serve Him only. Even though you refer it as other form of "worship" to Jesus, but that's the word Jesus specifically used and referred. That is disobedience to Jesus words.
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Re: Why is JESUS is all upper case?
Post #30What is it you are saying that is "disobedience to Jesus' words"? ("Worship" can have several levels, as we have discussed before ad nauseum.)Capbook wrote: ↑Wed Feb 19, 2025 3:45 pmYes, as you state, the Father said, "listen to Him (Jesus).onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 16, 2025 8:46 pmI don't worship Jesus the same way that I worship Jehovah. In obeying Jesus, we are obeying the Father, because Jehovah said to "listen to him." The Father taught Jesus all that Jesus knows, and the Father's words are in Jesus' mouth, so to speak. Honour definitely belongs to Jesus, but not the same honour that goes to the Father who is the Source of life.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Feb 15, 2025 4:00 pmYes, and why you worship and serve Jesus? You disobey.onewithhim wrote: ↑Fri Feb 14, 2025 7:17 pmNo. Jesus exemplifies his Father's attributes and has learned much of what the Father knows and has shown him. He is the substance of God, which is spirit, but he is not God. (John 4:24; I Timothy 6:16)Capbook wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2025 4:43 pmBefore God in faith, are we not all equal as children of God? Does you and your son doesn't pray to the Father? (Mat 6:9)onewithhim wrote: ↑Thu Feb 13, 2025 9:53 amNo, not at all. As my son and myself are not equal, neither are Jesus and his Father equal. Colossians 2:9 does not show that Jesus is equal to his Father. It says that all the fullness of the deity dwells in the Christ. Whose deity dwells within the Christ? It is the Father's deity, and it doesn't even hint that the two are equal. Jesus just has all the attributes of his Father, and much of His knowledge, as he has been taught from the Father. See John 5:19:Capbook wrote: ↑Wed Feb 12, 2025 10:32 amIn the state of being human, you and your son before God are equal as being children of God when have faith in Him.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:31 pmI confirmed that even if my son had everything that was mine, he still wouldn't be equal to me.Capbook wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:22 pmOf course because you are not God, we don't what they have.onewithhim wrote: ↑Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:05 pm
No it is not. My father might have given me everything that he has, but that doesn't make me equal to him.
You just confirmed that you cannot say, "all that the Father (God) has is mine" that means we are not equal to Him.
And man cannot be equal with God. Jesus as man cannot be equal with God.
But Jesus in the state of being God is equal with God. (Col 2:9)
"Therefore Jesus answered and was saying to them, 'Truly, truly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of himself, unless it it is something he sees the Father doing; for whatever the Father does, these things the Son also does in like manner.'" (NASB)
For in him dwells all the fulness of the Godhead. In Christ dwells all the fulness the state of being God, the most full Godhead, not only divine powers, but divine nature, bodily, personally, substantially the very substance of God. (Col 1:19)
Jesus said worship God and serve Him only. (Mat 4:10)
Whose words you will only obey? The Father or Jesus?
Jhn 4:24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
1Ti 6:16 Who only hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach unto; whom no man hath seen, nor can see: to whom be honour and power everlasting. Amen.
Jesus said: "I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say....Whatsoever I speak therefore, even as the Father said unto me, so I speak." (John 12:49,50, KJV)
But Jesus said, worship the Father and serve Him only. Even though you refer it as other form of "worship" to Jesus, but that's the word Jesus specifically used and referred. That is disobedience to Jesus words.