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Understanding Jesus Christ <GOD> the Word

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To understand the Scriptures, we must understand …
what is said, who (or what) it was said about,
when it was said, and the time period it was referring to.
The Lord wants us to believe …
NOT what someone taught us, but what the Scriptures say!


BEFORE the Incarnation

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God (the Father),
and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God (the Father).” (John 1:1-2)

In the beginning … God the Word was actually the Second Person of the Trinity.

DURING the Incarnation

First: God the Holy Spirit performed a miracle in the virgin Mary’s womb …
producing the fetus who would be Jesus Christ/Messiah (Matthew 1:18,20; Luke 1:35).
IMO, Jesus inherited Mary’s sin nature … so He was “fully man”,
but because He also was “fully God” He was able to overcome His sin nature.

Next: God the Word came down from heaven and became flesh-human-Jesus.
“And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us …” (John 1:14)
The Word “became” Jesus (when?) … so, Jesus actually was God the Word.

AFTER the Incarnation

“That which was from the beginning, which we have heard … seen …
concerning the Word of life –- the life was manifested … that eternal life
which was with (God) the Father (in the beginning) and was manifested to us …” (1 John 1:1-2)

The Word (God) was manifested to the world as the God-Man, Jesus Christ.
And so, “… His (Jesus’) name is called The Word of God.” (Revelation 19:13)

“And now, O Father, glorify Me (Jesus) together with Yourself,
with the glory which I had with You before the world was.” (John 17:5)

Jesus is speaking here as the One who He knew He really was (God the Word).

“… that they may know You, the only true God,
and Jesus Christ whom You have sent …” (John 17:3)

Yes, Jesus Christ was sent, but NOT sent from heaven …
He was sent into the world as the God-man.

“Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God.” (John 4:2)
“For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not
confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh.” (2 John 7)

Here John is equating Jesus with God the Word …
who came in the flesh as the God-Man, Jesus Christ.

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Re: Understanding Jesus Christ <GOD> the Word

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 4:47 pm
Capbook wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:52 pm Original Greek text of Act 28:6 does have an "a" while the original Greek text of John 1:1 does not have.
Ancient Greek does not have an indefinite article (a/an)
Have you read what I posted?
Bible lexicon defined word "a god" in Greek "theos" in Acts 28:6 as a god or goddess.
Don't you have Greek with Strong numbers?

Act 28:6 And the ones  expecting  him  to be about  to become inflamed, or  to fall down   suddenly   dead,   for  a long time and  of their  expecting  and   viewing  nothing  out of place   to  him  was happening, changing their minds,  they said  a god  him   to be. 

Act 28:6 And the ones G3588 G1161  expecting G4328  him G1473  to be about G3195  to become inflamed, G4092  or G2228  to fall down G2667  suddenly G869  dead, G3498  [2for G1909  3a long time  G4183  1and] G1161  of their G1473  expecting G4328  and G2532  viewing G2334  nothing G3367  out of place G824  [2to G1519  3him G1473  1was happening], G1096  changing their minds, G3328  they said G3004  [3a god G2316  1him G1473  2to be]. G1510.1 

Act 28:6 οι δε G3588 G1161  προσεδοκων G4328  αυτον G1473  μελλειν G3195  πιμπρασθαι G4092  η G2228  καταπιπτειν G2667  αφνω G869  νεκρον G3498  επι G1909  πολυ G4183  δε G1161  αυτων G1473  προσδοκωντων G4328  και G2532  θεωρουντων G2334  μηδεν G3367  ατοπον G824  εις G1519  αυτον G1473  γινομενον G1096  μεταβαλλομενοι G3328  ελεγον G3004  θεον G2316  αυτον G1473  ειναι G1510.1

Act 28:6 οἱ δὲ προσεδόκων αὐτὸν μέλλειν πίμπρασθαι ἢ καταπίπτειν ἄφνω νεκρόν. ἐπὶ πολὺ δὲ αὐτῶν προσδοκώντων καὶ θεωρούντων μηδὲν ἄτοπον εἰς αὐτὸν γινόμενον, μεταβαλόμενοι ἔλεγον Θεόν αὐτὸν εἶναι.

θεός theos
Thayer Definition:
1) a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities

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Re: Understanding Jesus Christ <GOD> the Word

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Capbook wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 5:06 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 4:47 pm
Capbook wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:52 pm Original Greek text of Act 28:6 does have an "a" while the original Greek text of John 1:1 does not have.
Ancient Greek does not have an indefinite article (a/an)
Have you read what I posted?
Bible lexicon defined word "a god" in Greek "theos" in Acts 28:6 as a god or goddess.
Don't you have Greek with Strong numbers?

Act 28:6 And the ones  expecting  him  to be about  to become inflamed, or  to fall down   suddenly   dead,   for  a long time and  of their  expecting  and   viewing  nothing  out of place   to  him  was happening, changing their minds,  they said  a god  him   to be. 

Act 28:6 And the ones G3588 G1161  expecting G4328  him G1473  to be about G3195  to become inflamed, G4092  or G2228  to fall down G2667  suddenly G869  dead, G3498  [2for G1909  3a long time  G4183  1and] G1161  of their G1473  expecting G4328  and G2532  viewing G2334  nothing G3367  out of place G824  [2to G1519  3him G1473  1was happening], G1096  changing their minds, G3328  they said G3004  [3a god G2316  1him G1473  2to be]. G1510.1 

Act 28:6 οι δε G3588 G1161  προσεδοκων G4328  αυτον G1473  μελλειν G3195  πιμπρασθαι G4092  η G2228  καταπιπτειν G2667  αφνω G869  νεκρον G3498  επι G1909  πολυ G4183  δε G1161  αυτων G1473  προσδοκωντων G4328  και G2532  θεωρουντων G2334  μηδεν G3367  ατοπον G824  εις G1519  αυτον G1473  γινομενον G1096  μεταβαλλομενοι G3328  ελεγον G3004  θεον G2316  αυτον G1473  ειναι G1510.1

Act 28:6 οἱ δὲ προσεδόκων αὐτὸν μέλλειν πίμπρασθαι ἢ καταπίπτειν ἄφνω νεκρόν. ἐπὶ πολὺ δὲ αὐτῶν προσδοκώντων καὶ θεωρούντων μηδὲν ἄτοπον εἰς αὐτὸν γινόμενον, μεταβαλόμενοι ἔλεγον Θεόν αὐτὸν εἶναι.

θεός theos
Thayer Definition:
1) a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities
You prove yourself that the Greek word for god, as in John 1:1 b, needs the article to make the verse set forth the meaning of the phrase. You've got "a god" all over the place, and the same applies to John 1:1b---"and the word was a god." You've got it right there in Thayer's definition---a god or goddess. Don't you read your own posts?

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Re: Understanding Jesus Christ <GOD> the Word

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onewithhim wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 8:40 am
Capbook wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 5:06 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 4:47 pm
Capbook wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:52 pm Original Greek text of Act 28:6 does have an "a" while the original Greek text of John 1:1 does not have.
Ancient Greek does not have an indefinite article (a/an)
Have you read what I posted?
Bible lexicon defined word "a god" in Greek "theos" in Acts 28:6 as a god or goddess.
Don't you have Greek with Strong numbers?

Act 28:6 And the ones  expecting  him  to be about  to become inflamed, or  to fall down   suddenly   dead,   for  a long time and  of their  expecting  and   viewing  nothing  out of place   to  him  was happening, changing their minds,  they said  a god  him   to be. 

Act 28:6 And the ones G3588 G1161  expecting G4328  him G1473  to be about G3195  to become inflamed, G4092  or G2228  to fall down G2667  suddenly G869  dead, G3498  [2for G1909  3a long time  G4183  1and] G1161  of their G1473  expecting G4328  and G2532  viewing G2334  nothing G3367  out of place G824  [2to G1519  3him G1473  1was happening], G1096  changing their minds, G3328  they said G3004  [3a god G2316  1him G1473  2to be]. G1510.1 

Act 28:6 οι δε G3588 G1161  προσεδοκων G4328  αυτον G1473  μελλειν G3195  πιμπρασθαι G4092  η G2228  καταπιπτειν G2667  αφνω G869  νεκρον G3498  επι G1909  πολυ G4183  δε G1161  αυτων G1473  προσδοκωντων G4328  και G2532  θεωρουντων G2334  μηδεν G3367  ατοπον G824  εις G1519  αυτον G1473  γινομενον G1096  μεταβαλλομενοι G3328  ελεγον G3004  θεον G2316  αυτον G1473  ειναι G1510.1

Act 28:6 οἱ δὲ προσεδόκων αὐτὸν μέλλειν πίμπρασθαι ἢ καταπίπτειν ἄφνω νεκρόν. ἐπὶ πολὺ δὲ αὐτῶν προσδοκώντων καὶ θεωρούντων μηδὲν ἄτοπον εἰς αὐτὸν γινόμενον, μεταβαλόμενοι ἔλεγον Θεόν αὐτὸν εἶναι.

θεός theos
Thayer Definition:
1) a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities
You prove yourself that the Greek word for god, as in John 1:1 b, needs the article to make the verse set forth the meaning of the phrase. You've got "a god" all over the place, and the same applies to John 1:1b---"and the word was a god." You've got it right there in Thayer's definition---a god or goddess. Don't you read your own posts?
I think you don't have Greek text with Strong numbers, that's why you cannot see the difference between John 1:1 with Acts 28:6.
John 1:1 original Greek text, no "a". NWT just insert it to suit the Arian interpretation.
Acts 28:6 original Greek text it has "a" and no need insertion.
No comparison, not the same subject, out of context, no relation at all.

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Re: Understanding Jesus Christ <GOD> the Word

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Capbook wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 10:24 am
onewithhim wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 8:40 am
Capbook wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 5:06 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 4:47 pm
Capbook wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:52 pm Original Greek text of Act 28:6 does have an "a" while the original Greek text of John 1:1 does not have.
Ancient Greek does not have an indefinite article (a/an)
Have you read what I posted?
Bible lexicon defined word "a god" in Greek "theos" in Acts 28:6 as a god or goddess.
Don't you have Greek with Strong numbers?

Act 28:6 And the ones  expecting  him  to be about  to become inflamed, or  to fall down   suddenly   dead,   for  a long time and  of their  expecting  and   viewing  nothing  out of place   to  him  was happening, changing their minds,  they said  a god  him   to be. 

Act 28:6 And the ones G3588 G1161  expecting G4328  him G1473  to be about G3195  to become inflamed, G4092  or G2228  to fall down G2667  suddenly G869  dead, G3498  [2for G1909  3a long time  G4183  1and] G1161  of their G1473  expecting G4328  and G2532  viewing G2334  nothing G3367  out of place G824  [2to G1519  3him G1473  1was happening], G1096  changing their minds, G3328  they said G3004  [3a god G2316  1him G1473  2to be]. G1510.1 

Act 28:6 οι δε G3588 G1161  προσεδοκων G4328  αυτον G1473  μελλειν G3195  πιμπρασθαι G4092  η G2228  καταπιπτειν G2667  αφνω G869  νεκρον G3498  επι G1909  πολυ G4183  δε G1161  αυτων G1473  προσδοκωντων G4328  και G2532  θεωρουντων G2334  μηδεν G3367  ατοπον G824  εις G1519  αυτον G1473  γινομενον G1096  μεταβαλλομενοι G3328  ελεγον G3004  θεον G2316  αυτον G1473  ειναι G1510.1

Act 28:6 οἱ δὲ προσεδόκων αὐτὸν μέλλειν πίμπρασθαι ἢ καταπίπτειν ἄφνω νεκρόν. ἐπὶ πολὺ δὲ αὐτῶν προσδοκώντων καὶ θεωρούντων μηδὲν ἄτοπον εἰς αὐτὸν γινόμενον, μεταβαλόμενοι ἔλεγον Θεόν αὐτὸν εἶναι.

θεός theos
Thayer Definition:
1) a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities
You prove yourself that the Greek word for god, as in John 1:1 b, needs the article to make the verse set forth the meaning of the phrase. You've got "a god" all over the place, and the same applies to John 1:1b---"and the word was a god." You've got it right there in Thayer's definition---a god or goddess. Don't you read your own posts?
I think you don't have Greek text with Strong numbers, that's why you cannot see the difference between John 1:1 with Acts 28:6.
John 1:1 original Greek text, no "a". NWT just insert it to suit the Arian interpretation.
Acts 28:6 original Greek text it has "a" and no need insertion.
No comparison, not the same subject, out of context, no relation at all.
Your Acts 28:6 is rendered the same way that John 1:1 is. In Acts there is no "a" in the Greek, so they added the "a" to round out the meaning. Just as has happened with John 1:1. There IS comparison, the same subject, not out of context, and close relationship. The NWT does the very thing that other versions do regularly.

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Re: Understanding Jesus Christ <GOD> the Word

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onewithhim wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 2:04 pm
Capbook wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 10:24 am
onewithhim wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 8:40 am
Capbook wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 5:06 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 4:47 pm
Capbook wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:52 pm Original Greek text of Act 28:6 does have an "a" while the original Greek text of John 1:1 does not have.
Ancient Greek does not have an indefinite article (a/an)
Have you read what I posted?
Bible lexicon defined word "a god" in Greek "theos" in Acts 28:6 as a god or goddess.
Don't you have Greek with Strong numbers?

Act 28:6 And the ones  expecting  him  to be about  to become inflamed, or  to fall down   suddenly   dead,   for  a long time and  of their  expecting  and   viewing  nothing  out of place   to  him  was happening, changing their minds,  they said  a god  him   to be. 

Act 28:6 And the ones G3588 G1161  expecting G4328  him G1473  to be about G3195  to become inflamed, G4092  or G2228  to fall down G2667  suddenly G869  dead, G3498  [2for G1909  3a long time  G4183  1and] G1161  of their G1473  expecting G4328  and G2532  viewing G2334  nothing G3367  out of place G824  [2to G1519  3him G1473  1was happening], G1096  changing their minds, G3328  they said G3004  [3a god G2316  1him G1473  2to be]. G1510.1 

Act 28:6 οι δε G3588 G1161  προσεδοκων G4328  αυτον G1473  μελλειν G3195  πιμπρασθαι G4092  η G2228  καταπιπτειν G2667  αφνω G869  νεκρον G3498  επι G1909  πολυ G4183  δε G1161  αυτων G1473  προσδοκωντων G4328  και G2532  θεωρουντων G2334  μηδεν G3367  ατοπον G824  εις G1519  αυτον G1473  γινομενον G1096  μεταβαλλομενοι G3328  ελεγον G3004  θεον G2316  αυτον G1473  ειναι G1510.1

Act 28:6 οἱ δὲ προσεδόκων αὐτὸν μέλλειν πίμπρασθαι ἢ καταπίπτειν ἄφνω νεκρόν. ἐπὶ πολὺ δὲ αὐτῶν προσδοκώντων καὶ θεωρούντων μηδὲν ἄτοπον εἰς αὐτὸν γινόμενον, μεταβαλόμενοι ἔλεγον Θεόν αὐτὸν εἶναι.

θεός theos
Thayer Definition:
1) a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities
You prove yourself that the Greek word for god, as in John 1:1 b, needs the article to make the verse set forth the meaning of the phrase. You've got "a god" all over the place, and the same applies to John 1:1b---"and the word was a god." You've got it right there in Thayer's definition---a god or goddess. Don't you read your own posts?
I think you don't have Greek text with Strong numbers, that's why you cannot see the difference between John 1:1 with Acts 28:6.
John 1:1 original Greek text, no "a". NWT just insert it to suit the Arian interpretation.
Acts 28:6 original Greek text it has "a" and no need insertion.
No comparison, not the same subject, out of context, no relation at all.
Your Acts 28:6 is rendered the same way that John 1:1 is. In Acts there is no "a" in the Greek, so they added the "a" to round out the meaning. Just as has happened with John 1:1. There IS comparison, the same subject, not out of context, and close relationship. The NWT does the very thing that other versions do regularly.
They are not the same, even text critical Wescott &Hort Greek rendition of John 1:1 last phrase is "and God was the word" and also with ABP.
There is no comparison with it. JWs used Acts 28:6 just to justify their insertion in John 1:1 "a" but sad to say that Arians fail.

(ABP+) In G1722  the beginning G746  was G1510.7.3  the G3588  word, G3056  and G2532  the G3588  word G3056  was G1510.7.3  with G4314 G3588  God, G2316  and G2532  [4God G2316  3was G1510.7.3  1the G3588  2word]. G3056 

(Greek NT WH+) εν G1722 PREP  αρχη G746 N-DSF  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  και G2532 CONJ  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  προς G4314 PREP  τον G3588 T-ASM  θεον G2316 N-ASM  και G2532 CONJ  θεος G2316 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM 

Act 28:6 And the ones G3588 G1161  expecting G4328  him G1473  to be about G3195  to become inflamed, G4092  or G2228  to fall down G2667  suddenly G869  dead, G3498  [2for G1909  3a long time  G4183  1and] G1161  of their G1473  expecting G4328  and G2532  viewing G2334  nothing G3367  out of place G824  [2to G1519  3him G1473  1was happening], G1096  changing their minds, G3328  they said G3004  [3a god G2316  1him G1473  2to be]. G1510.1 

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Re: Understanding Jesus Christ <GOD> the Word

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Capbook wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 4:17 pm
onewithhim wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 2:04 pm
Capbook wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 10:24 am
onewithhim wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 8:40 am
Capbook wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 5:06 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 4:47 pm
Capbook wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:52 pm Original Greek text of Act 28:6 does have an "a" while the original Greek text of John 1:1 does not have.
Ancient Greek does not have an indefinite article (a/an)
Have you read what I posted?
Bible lexicon defined word "a god" in Greek "theos" in Acts 28:6 as a god or goddess.
Don't you have Greek with Strong numbers?

Act 28:6 And the ones  expecting  him  to be about  to become inflamed, or  to fall down   suddenly   dead,   for  a long time and  of their  expecting  and   viewing  nothing  out of place   to  him  was happening, changing their minds,  they said  a god  him   to be. 

Act 28:6 And the ones G3588 G1161  expecting G4328  him G1473  to be about G3195  to become inflamed, G4092  or G2228  to fall down G2667  suddenly G869  dead, G3498  [2for G1909  3a long time  G4183  1and] G1161  of their G1473  expecting G4328  and G2532  viewing G2334  nothing G3367  out of place G824  [2to G1519  3him G1473  1was happening], G1096  changing their minds, G3328  they said G3004  [3a god G2316  1him G1473  2to be]. G1510.1 

Act 28:6 οι δε G3588 G1161  προσεδοκων G4328  αυτον G1473  μελλειν G3195  πιμπρασθαι G4092  η G2228  καταπιπτειν G2667  αφνω G869  νεκρον G3498  επι G1909  πολυ G4183  δε G1161  αυτων G1473  προσδοκωντων G4328  και G2532  θεωρουντων G2334  μηδεν G3367  ατοπον G824  εις G1519  αυτον G1473  γινομενον G1096  μεταβαλλομενοι G3328  ελεγον G3004  θεον G2316  αυτον G1473  ειναι G1510.1

Act 28:6 οἱ δὲ προσεδόκων αὐτὸν μέλλειν πίμπρασθαι ἢ καταπίπτειν ἄφνω νεκρόν. ἐπὶ πολὺ δὲ αὐτῶν προσδοκώντων καὶ θεωρούντων μηδὲν ἄτοπον εἰς αὐτὸν γινόμενον, μεταβαλόμενοι ἔλεγον Θεόν αὐτὸν εἶναι.

θεός theos
Thayer Definition:
1) a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities
You prove yourself that the Greek word for god, as in John 1:1 b, needs the article to make the verse set forth the meaning of the phrase. You've got "a god" all over the place, and the same applies to John 1:1b---"and the word was a god." You've got it right there in Thayer's definition---a god or goddess. Don't you read your own posts?
I think you don't have Greek text with Strong numbers, that's why you cannot see the difference between John 1:1 with Acts 28:6.
John 1:1 original Greek text, no "a". NWT just insert it to suit the Arian interpretation.
Acts 28:6 original Greek text it has "a" and no need insertion.
No comparison, not the same subject, out of context, no relation at all.
Your Acts 28:6 is rendered the same way that John 1:1 is. In Acts there is no "a" in the Greek, so they added the "a" to round out the meaning. Just as has happened with John 1:1. There IS comparison, the same subject, not out of context, and close relationship. The NWT does the very thing that other versions do regularly.
They are not the same, even text critical Wescott &Hort Greek rendition of John 1:1 last phrase is "and God was the word" and also with ABP.
There is no comparison with it. JWs used Acts 28:6 just to justify their insertion in John 1:1 "a" but sad to say that Arians fail.
Acts 28:6 is a very good justification to place an "a" before a subject that has no article in Greek.

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Re: Understanding Jesus Christ <GOD> the Word

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Capbook wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 4:17 pm... In Acts there is no "a" in the Greek...
There is absolutely no Greek text with an article corresponding to "a/an" in English. It simply does not exist in that language. Wherever you see such an article in your English version, whatever it is, it has been added.

It is evident that your accusations are due to your own ignorance of Biblical Greek.

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Re: Understanding Jesus Christ <GOD> the Word

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onewithhim wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:03 pm
Capbook wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 4:17 pm
onewithhim wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2025 2:04 pm
Capbook wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 10:24 am
onewithhim wrote: Wed Feb 05, 2025 8:40 am
Capbook wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 5:06 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 4:47 pm
Capbook wrote: Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:52 pm Original Greek text of Act 28:6 does have an "a" while the original Greek text of John 1:1 does not have.
Ancient Greek does not have an indefinite article (a/an)
Have you read what I posted?
Bible lexicon defined word "a god" in Greek "theos" in Acts 28:6 as a god or goddess.
Don't you have Greek with Strong numbers?

Act 28:6 And the ones  expecting  him  to be about  to become inflamed, or  to fall down   suddenly   dead,   for  a long time and  of their  expecting  and   viewing  nothing  out of place   to  him  was happening, changing their minds,  they said  a god  him   to be. 

Act 28:6 And the ones G3588 G1161  expecting G4328  him G1473  to be about G3195  to become inflamed, G4092  or G2228  to fall down G2667  suddenly G869  dead, G3498  [2for G1909  3a long time  G4183  1and] G1161  of their G1473  expecting G4328  and G2532  viewing G2334  nothing G3367  out of place G824  [2to G1519  3him G1473  1was happening], G1096  changing their minds, G3328  they said G3004  [3a god G2316  1him G1473  2to be]. G1510.1 

Act 28:6 οι δε G3588 G1161  προσεδοκων G4328  αυτον G1473  μελλειν G3195  πιμπρασθαι G4092  η G2228  καταπιπτειν G2667  αφνω G869  νεκρον G3498  επι G1909  πολυ G4183  δε G1161  αυτων G1473  προσδοκωντων G4328  και G2532  θεωρουντων G2334  μηδεν G3367  ατοπον G824  εις G1519  αυτον G1473  γινομενον G1096  μεταβαλλομενοι G3328  ελεγον G3004  θεον G2316  αυτον G1473  ειναι G1510.1

Act 28:6 οἱ δὲ προσεδόκων αὐτὸν μέλλειν πίμπρασθαι ἢ καταπίπτειν ἄφνω νεκρόν. ἐπὶ πολὺ δὲ αὐτῶν προσδοκώντων καὶ θεωρούντων μηδὲν ἄτοπον εἰς αὐτὸν γινόμενον, μεταβαλόμενοι ἔλεγον Θεόν αὐτὸν εἶναι.

θεός theos
Thayer Definition:
1) a god or goddess, a general name of deities or divinities
You prove yourself that the Greek word for god, as in John 1:1 b, needs the article to make the verse set forth the meaning of the phrase. You've got "a god" all over the place, and the same applies to John 1:1b---"and the word was a god." You've got it right there in Thayer's definition---a god or goddess. Don't you read your own posts?
I think you don't have Greek text with Strong numbers, that's why you cannot see the difference between John 1:1 with Acts 28:6.
John 1:1 original Greek text, no "a". NWT just insert it to suit the Arian interpretation.
Acts 28:6 original Greek text it has "a" and no need insertion.
No comparison, not the same subject, out of context, no relation at all.
Your Acts 28:6 is rendered the same way that John 1:1 is. In Acts there is no "a" in the Greek, so they added the "a" to round out the meaning. Just as has happened with John 1:1. There IS comparison, the same subject, not out of context, and close relationship. The NWT does the very thing that other versions do regularly.
They are not the same, even text critical Wescott &Hort Greek rendition of John 1:1 last phrase is "and God was the word" and also with ABP.
There is no comparison with it. JWs used Acts 28:6 just to justify their insertion in John 1:1 "a" but sad to say that Arians fail.
Acts 28:6 is a very good justification to place an "a" before a subject that has no article in Greek.
Don't you have any resources that could show the original Greek text of John 1:1 and also Acts 28:6? I have shown you mine.
The original Greek text of the last phrase of it is "and God was the word." A clear phrase that illogical "a" is irrelevant.
I just prefer original text construction than any translations.

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Re: Understanding Jesus Christ <GOD> the Word

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Bible_Student wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:08 pm
Capbook wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 4:17 pm... In Acts there is no "a" in the Greek...
There is absolutely no Greek text with an article corresponding to "a/an" in English. It simply does not exist in that language. Wherever you see such an article in your English version, whatever it is, it has been added...
Translators from Greek into English and other modern languages ​​must add an indefinite article wherever the Greek text is understood to need it in order to give the text the proper meaning. This is something they must do WHENEVER they understand that the text is referring to what would be a noun that is grammatically indefinite.

If you compare any English biblical text that includes an indefinite article with its corresponding original Greek text, you will find that in no case does the article exist in the Greek text.

It is useless to try to accuse a translator of "adding a/an" when it is something that every translator is obliged to do if he wants to make sense of his translation every time he is called upon to do a translation.

It is something that someone who does not understand grammar needs to understand correctly, before making criticisms that could make him look ridiculous.

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Re: Understanding Jesus Christ <GOD> the Word

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Bible_Student wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:46 pm
Bible_Student wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2025 5:08 pm
Capbook wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2025 4:17 pm... In Acts there is no "a" in the Greek...
There is absolutely no Greek text with an article corresponding to "a/an" in English. It simply does not exist in that language. Wherever you see such an article in your English version, whatever it is, it has been added...
Translators from Greek into English and other modern languages ​​must add an indefinite article wherever the Greek text is understood to need it in order to give the text the proper meaning. This is something they must do WHENEVER they understand that the text is referring to what would be a noun that is grammatically indefinite.

If you compare any English biblical text that includes an indefinite article with its corresponding original Greek text, you will find that in no case does the article exist in the Greek text.

It is useless to try to accuse a translator of "adding a/an" when it is something that every translator is obliged to do if he wants to make sense of his translation every time he is called upon to do a translation.

It is something that someone who does not understand grammar needs to understand correctly, before making criticisms that could make him look ridiculous.
I think through your conclusion many translators who does not understand grammar looks ridiculous. You can find them below;
Please find the "a"

John 1:1

(ABP+) In G1722  the beginning G746  was G1510.7.3  the G3588  word, G3056  and G2532  the G3588  word G3056  was G1510.7.3  with G4314 G3588  God, G2316  and G2532  [4God G2316  3was G1510.7.3  1the G3588  2word]. G3056 

(ASV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

(BBE) From the first he was the Word, and the Word was in relation with God and was God.

(CEV) In the beginning was the one who is called the Word. The Word was with God and was truly God.

(ERV) Before the world began, the Word was there. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.

(ESV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

(ESV+)  R0 R1 In the beginning was  R2 the Word, and  R3 the Word was with God, and  R4 the Word was God.

(GNB) In the beginning the Word already existed; the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

(Greek ABP+) εν G1722  αρχη G746  ην G1510.7.3  ο G3588  λογος G3056  και G2532  ο G3588  λογος G3056  ην G1510.7.3  προς G4314  τον G3588  θεον G2316  και G2532  θεος G2316  ην G1510.7.3  ο G3588  λογος G3056 

(Greek NT) ᾿Εν ἀρχῇ ἦν ὁ Λόγος, καὶ ὁ Λόγος ἦν πρὸς τὸν Θεόν, καὶ Θεὸς ἦν ὁ Λόγος.

(Greek NT BYZ+) εν G1722 PREP  αρχη G746 N-DSF  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  και G2532 CONJ  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  προς G4314 PREP  τον G3588 T-ASM  θεον G2316 N-ASM  και G2532 CONJ  θεος G2316 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM 

(Greek NT TR) εν αρχη ην ο λογος και ο λογος ην προς τον θεον και θεος ην ο λογος

(Greek NT TR+) εν G1722 PREP  αρχη G746 N-DSF  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  και G2532 CONJ  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  προς G4314 PREP  τον G3588 T-ASM  θεον G2316 N-ASM  και G2532 CONJ  θεος G2316 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM 

(Greek NT WH+) εν G1722 PREP  αρχη G746 N-DSF  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  και G2532 CONJ  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  προς G4314 PREP  τον G3588 T-ASM  θεον G2316 N-ASM  και G2532 CONJ  θεος G2316 N-NSM  ην G1510 V-IAI-3S  ο G3588 T-NSM  λογος G3056 N-NSM 

(GW) In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.

(Hebrew OLNT) בראשית היה הדבר, והדבר היה עם האלוהים, ואלוהים היה הדבר.

(ISV) In the beginning, the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God.

(KJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

(KJV+) In G1722  the beginning G746  was G2258  the G3588  Word, G3056  and G2532  the G3588  Word G3056  was G2258  with G4314  God, G2316  and G2532  the G3588  Word G3056  was G2258  God. G2316 

(LITV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

(LSV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;

(MKJV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

(UASV+) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. N1 

(YLT) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God;

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