What do JWs know?

[2ndpillar2]

I just had two JWs come to my house. They said that they do not believe in the Trinity, yet they were quoting from a bible whose canon was produced by Athanasius in 367 A.D., the same guy who was the main proponent of the Trinity doctrine at Constantine's Council of Nicaea. They apparently did not know that Athanasius produced the canon they used, and that he proposed doctrine which is opposite of what they believe. Is this a one off, or is lack of historical context part of the JWs normal routine? They gave their quote of the day, Rev 21:4, without context, and didn't know that Rev 22:15 applied to the same Jerusalem, and that those "who practice lying" would not "enter". As soon as I told them, they turned and walked quickly away. The second time in around so many weeks, that JWs came, and quickly walked away when confronted with their inconsistencies.

[marke]

. The Bible does not specifically use the wording "God is eternal" but that does not mean God is not eternal.

GENESIS 21:33

And Abraham planted a tamarisk tree in Beersheba, and there he called upon the name of the LORD, the Eternal God. - Majority Standard Bible

But okay, give me q scripturre that says the personal name Jesus [Christ] and ALMIGHTY ; any order "Jesus the Almighy" , "Almighty Jesus" , "and Jesus said..."I'm Almighty" anything with those two specific words but in any order.

The Almighty said He was alive and died but is now alive again for evermore. That is Jesus, the Almighty.

[JehovahsWitness]

The Almighty said He was alive and died but is now alive again for evermore. That is Jesus, the Almighty.

Are the words "That is Jesus, the Almighty." in the bible or are those words ("That is Jesus, the Almighty")YOUR words?


JW

[onewithhim]

No, as I said before. The wording "God the Son" is not found in the KJV Bible.

So is no record of Jesus actually the words "I am Almighty God" and nowhere in the bible did any of the inspired writers write the words "God the Son" . Wouldnt you say then ththese expressions are from a human man-made tradition rather than being direct quotes from inspired scripture.

The Bible calls Jesus "The Almighty" so denying that Jesus is the Almighty is evil.

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Don't insult Jesus and his Father. Jesus always said he was subservient to the Father who is the Almighty. Revelation 1:8 refers to Jehovah, Jesus' God whom Jesus worships.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus and I don't see in that verse anything about him being the Almighty.

Jesus called the Father "my God" in many places, one being Revelation 3:12: "The one that conquers---I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God."

Clearly Jesus doesn't think of himself as God Almighty.

[marke]

No, as I said before. The wording "God the Son" is not found in the KJV Bible.

So is no record of Jesus actually the words "I am Almighty God" and nowhere in the bible did any of the inspired writers write the words "God the Son" . Wouldnt you say then ththese expressions are from a human man-made tradition rather than being direct quotes from inspired scripture.

The Bible calls Jesus "The Almighty" so denying that Jesus is the Almighty is evil.

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Don't insult Jesus and his Father. Jesus always said he was subservient to the Father who is the Almighty. Revelation 1:8 refers to Jehovah, Jesus' God whom Jesus worships.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus and I don't see in that verse anything about him being the Almighty.

Jesus called the Father "my God" in many places, one being Revelation 3:12: "The one that conquers---I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God."

Clearly Jesus doesn't think of himself as God Almighty.

Jesus left His coequal relationship with God in heaven to take upon Himself the form of a servant. Jesus did not become purely man when He took upon Himself the form of a man. He still had power to calm the sea, raise the deat, restor life and limbs, turn water into wine, feed thousands with two loaves with 12 baskets full of leftovers, etc.

[JehovahsWitness]

Jesus left His coequal relationship with God in heaven ...

Well he obviously never "reclaimed" it since the bible says he subjects himself to God. See 1 Cor 15:28

[marke]

Jesus left His coequal relationship with God in heaven ...

Well he obviously never "reclaimed" it since the bible says he subjects himself to God. See 1 Cor 15:28

There is coming a time when Jesus will subject Himself to God.

1 Corinthians 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

[JehovahsWitness]

Jesus left His coequal relationship with God in heaven ...

Well he obviously never "reclaimed" it since the bible says he subjects himself to God. See 1 Cor 15:28

There is coming a time when Jesus will subject Himself to God.

How can ALMIGHTY GOD subject himself to anyone? The Most High can never be under someone higher; for at that moment he would cease to be the Most High.

If the gloried Jesus in heaven subjects himself to Almighty God, he cannot at the same time BE equal to Almighty God in every way

JW

[onewithhim]

No, as I said before. The wording "God the Son" is not found in the KJV Bible.

So is no record of Jesus actually the words "I am Almighty God" and nowhere in the bible did any of the inspired writers write the words "God the Son" . Wouldnt you say then ththese expressions are from a human man-made tradition rather than being direct quotes from inspired scripture.

The Bible calls Jesus "The Almighty" so denying that Jesus is the Almighty is evil.

Revelation 1:8
I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
Revelation 1:18
I am he that liveth, and was dead; and, behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen; and have the keys of hell and of death.

Don't insult Jesus and his Father. Jesus always said he was subservient to the Father who is the Almighty. Revelation 1:8 refers to Jehovah, Jesus' God whom Jesus worships.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus and I don't see in that verse anything about him being the Almighty.

Jesus called the Father "my God" in many places, one being Revelation 3:12: "The one that conquers---I will make him a pillar in the temple of my God, and he will by no means go out from it anymore, and I will write upon him the name of my God and the name of the city of my God, the new Jerusalem which descends out of heaven from my God."

Clearly Jesus doesn't think of himself as God Almighty.

Jesus left His coequal relationship with God in heaven to take upon Himself the form of a servant. Jesus did not become purely man when He took upon Himself the form of a man. He still had power to calm the sea, raise the deat, restor life and limbs, turn water into wine, feed thousands with two loaves with 12 baskets full of leftovers, etc.

Yes, and he didn't do those things because he was God, but he got his power from God. He said clearly that all things, and that would be including power, were given to him. By whom? By his Father, God. (Matthew 28:18) If he were God, he wouldn't need to have anything given to him.

[onewithhim]

Jesus left His coequal relationship with God in heaven ...

Well he obviously never "reclaimed" it since the bible says he subjects himself to God. See 1 Cor 15:28

There is coming a time when Jesus will subject Himself to God.

1 Corinthians 15:28
And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

So Jesus couldn't be equal to God. Jehovah is clearly the superior one, even now. (John 5:19; John 12:49,50)

[marke]

Jesus left His coequal relationship with God in heaven ...

Well he obviously never "reclaimed" it since the bible says he subjects himself to God. See 1 Cor 15:28

There is coming a time when Jesus will subject Himself to God.

How can ALMIGHTY GOD subject himself to anyone? The Most High can never be under someone higher; for at that moment he would cease to be the Most High.

If the gloried Jesus in heaven subjects himself to Almighty God, he cannot at the same time BE equal to Almighty God in every way

JW

Sinners disbelieve God because they have greater love and respect for their own opinions and doubts than they do for the Living God.