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Daniel 9:26-27

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Daniel’s book still contains a few remaining secrets that are only now to be revealed. Most of us believe we are close to the time of the “catching away” of the church, the coming “Great Tribulation,” the revealing of God’s two witnesses, and the antichrist and his High Priest. These few remaining mysteries will be revealed and understood solely to exalt God and to inspire us. They are to be applied to truth by supernatural communication, through the Holy Spirit. Secrets that have remained hidden from us until the fullness of time, which I believe is now.

These remaining mysteries have been stamped with a special character on all who embrace them and invest in those who receive them, special insights. I believe Daniel’s prophecies still hold secrets that are now only being revealed. Here are the two verses under discussion. Here is how I understand the two verses. My comments are in (---). Also remember, the first 49 years of the 490 years are past and the next 434 years begin in Daniel 9:26.

Daniel 9:26-27, “After threescore and two weeks (434 years) shall Messiah (Jesus) be cut off (middle to end of October of 27 A.D.) but not for himself (to save the lost sheep of the house of Israel): and the people (Roman Legions) of the prince (the Lord) that shall come shall destroy the city (Jerusalem) and the sanctuary (Herod’s Temple); and the end (of the Temple and city) thereof shall be with a flood (70 A.D. was Israel’s end) and into the end of the war desolations are determined.”

Verse 27, “And he Jesus) shall confirm the covenant (his new covenant) with many (Jews) for one week (7 years): and in the middle of the week (3 ½ years) “he” (Jesus) shall cause the (Temple) sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it (the Temple) desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.”

There’s a great deal of surface information in the above two verses, and even more, hidden beneath the surface in carefully chosen words written in both verses. Let’s begin with several questions. Remember, Daniel wrote in ancient Hebrew with a touch of the ancient Chaldean. He uses words not found in any other book of the Bible, so careful study is needed. Here are my three questions.

1. Who do you think the “he” is?
2. And who caused the Temple sacrifices and offerings to cease?
3. What covenant is to be confirmed for 7 years, but the person who brought the covenant to the Jews was cut off after 3 ½ years?
We can begin with these three questions; what are your thoughts?

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placebofactor wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 9:23 am This new covenant Jesus brought with him has nothing to do with the Abrahamic covenant,
What features of the Abrahamic covenant do NOT fit the description in Daniel 9?
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 9:30 am
placebofactor wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 9:23 am This new covenant Jesus brought with him has nothing to do with the Abrahamic covenant,
What features of the Abrahamic covenant do NOT fit the description in Daniel 9?
No part of the covenant had to be confirmed.

There were 7 provisions of the Abrahamic covenant. All Abraham had to do was leave his country and go to the land the LORD showed him. When Abraham left the city of Ur of the Chaldees, he fulfilled his part. The remainder of the covenant was now unconditional, and in the hands of the LORD to fulfill. Here were Jehovah's promises to Abraham once he left the city of Ur.

To make Abraham a great nation. (Israel)

Universal acclaim, "I will make thy name great.

He would be a blessing to the world.

Blessing for blessing: "I will bless them that bless thee."

Cursing for cursing: "I will curse him that curses you."

Promise of a Messiah: Galatians 3:29. "Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He said not, and to seeds, as of many; but as on one, and to thy seed, which is Christ."

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placebofactor wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 3:11 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 9:30 am
placebofactor wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 9:23 am This new covenant Jesus brought with him has nothing to do with the Abrahamic covenant,
What features of the Abrahamic covenant do NOT fit the description in Daniel 9?
No part of the covenant had to be confirmed.

I take it you are refering to the Abrahamic covenant: What do you mean by "confirmed" ?
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 6:04 pm
placebofactor wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 3:11 pm
JehovahsWitness wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 9:30 am
placebofactor wrote: Wed Jan 15, 2025 9:23 am This new covenant Jesus brought with him has nothing to do with the Abrahamic covenant,
What features of the Abrahamic covenant do NOT fit the description in Daniel 9?
No part of the covenant had to be confirmed.

I take it you are refering to the Abrahamic covenant: What do you mean by "confirmed" ?
Confirmation hearings on Donald Trump's appointments are going on now in the House of Representatives. The panel will examine each individual's past, and performance in previous appointments. The Hebrew word Daniel uses for "confirm" is used only once in the OT. The best confirmation of a covenant promise is in the performance and sacrifice of it. The last 3 1/2 years for confirming Jesus' new covenant with the Jews will be finished by the two Witnesses sent by God who like Jesus will be martyred for their testimony.

When the two Witnesses are finished with their testimony, and then beheaded, like Jesus, they will be raised from the dead and taken up into heaven. Only then will the new covenant be fulfilled. Seven years as promised by Daniel, giving glory to the LORD. Only then will the Jews be without excuse.

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placebofactor wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 10:07 am The Hebrew word Daniel uses for "confirm" is used only once in the OT.
Have you thought to look at the original (root) meaning of the word ? What did you find?

(The Hebrew cannot mean "establish the truth or correctness" because both the Abrahamic and the Mosaic law were established as truthful and correct by God at the time they went into operation )
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 10:10 am
placebofactor wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 10:07 am The Hebrew word Daniel uses for "confirm" is used only once in the OT.
Have you thought to look at the original (root) meaning of the word ? What did you find?

"gabar" or "confirm" is a prime root Concerning Daniel's prophesy, Confirm means to strengthen, establish, confirm.

(The Hebrew cannot mean "establish the truth or correctness" because both the Abrahamic and the Mosaic law were established as truthful and correct by God at the time they went into operation )
On the LORD's part you are correct, on the Jews part, NO!

The Abrahamic covenant was unconditional. These were promises made by Jehovah and kept. The Mosiac Law was conditional. The conditions of the law given by the LORD were broken by the priests and the people many times. To fulfill the law, men had to have perfect love for God, something the Jews could never achieve. God confirmed the law with rewards and punishment indicating he was serious about the law.

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placebofactor wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 11:35 am "gabar" or "confirm" is a prime root Concerning Daniel's prophesy, Confirm means to strengthen, establish, confirm.
Ok. Now, for whom does Danuel 9 say this covenant was "strenthened" ? And for how long?
DANIEL 9: 27

And he will keep the covenant in force {in strength} for the many for one week; and at the half of the week, he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease.+
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:43 pm
placebofactor wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 11:35 am "gabar" or "confirm" is a prime root Concerning Daniel's prophesy, Confirm means to strengthen, establish, confirm.
Ok. Now, for whom does Danuel 9 say this covenant was "strenthened" ? And for how long?

How long? Until the catching away of the church, both Jews and Gentiles. That brings the unbelieving Gentiles and Jews to the doorstep of the seven years of tribulation.
DANIEL 9: 27

And he will keep the covenant in force {in strength} for the many for one week; and at the half of the week, he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease.+
In Daniel 9:24, Jehovah is speaking to Daniel and says to him, "Seventy weeks are determined upon YOUR PEOPLE," that would be the Jews. "And upon the holy city (Jerusalem." So, this whole scenario from verses 24 to 27 concerns the Jews only, the land, Israel, and the holy city of Jerusalem, "Until the consummation, (until its full end) and that (which the LORD has) determined shall be poured upon the desolate (or desolators)" that would be the Jews.

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DANIEL 9: 27

And he will keep the covenant in force {in strength} for the many for one week; and at the half of the week, he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease.+
placebofactor wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 10:38 am .... Daniel and says to him, "Seventy weeks are determined upon YOUR PEOPLE," that would be the Jews.
So (just to clarify ) in Daniel 9v27 when the verse refers to "the many " it is refering to the Jews. Is that what you think?


placebofactor wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 10:38 am
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Ok. Now, ... for how long?
How long?

I mean how long does it say in the verse?
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JehovahsWitness wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 10:53 am
DANIEL 9: 27

And he will keep the covenant in force {in strength} for the many for one week; and at the half of the week, he will cause sacrifice and gift offering to cease.+
placebofactor wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 10:38 am .... Daniel and says to him, "Seventy weeks are determined upon YOUR PEOPLE," that would be the Jews.
So (just to clarify ) in Daniel 9v27 when the verse refers to "the many " it is referring to the Jews. Is that what you think?

Correct. The church was still 500 years in the future. Daniel knew nothing of Gentiles being adopted into the Jewish blessings. He was living with the Persians when he wrote these prophecies. Before these prophecies came to him, Verse 20, he was "confessing his sins and the sins of (his people) the Jews. He was writing to the Jews.

The 70 weeks of years concerned Israel's future and the curses the LORD was to burden them and their future generations with. But Daniel was also told, there would be an end to their punishment. Verse 24, "When reconciliation for iniquity has been satisfied, then everlasting righteousness will be brought to them.

Daniel also warns the Jews: Daniel 12:1, "A time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time your people (the Jews) shall be delivered," How bad is it going to be for Israel?

Matthew 24:22, "Except these days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake (the Jews) those days shall be shortened." Two thousand years later, nuclear weapons are available. Swords, spears, guns, etc., could never wipe out the planet. But nuclear weapons can. Only the LORD could make a prophecy like this and have it come true.

This last statement would leave out every war up to this day in January 1925. Since America dropped two nuclear devices on Japan, no other nuclear bombs have been used since then in any war; but unlike 1945, thousands of nuclear devices are in the hands of those who reject God and hate the Jews. Russia, China, Korea, and now the Ayatollah appear to be a few months away from developing them. One day soon, the last prophecy will begin to unfold.

Now fulfilling these prophecies was impossible because Israel did not exist for 1900 years. The Jews had to be in the land for these prophecies to be fulfilled. But, as promised by God, this miracle of return was fulfilled in 1948, on the 14th of May.


placebofactor wrote: Fri Jan 17, 2025 10:38 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Thu Jan 16, 2025 5:43 pm
Ok. Now, ... for how long?
How long? I mean how long does it say in the verse?
See the above comments.

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