The two Giants of religion

[placebofactor]

Most of us, and most all theologians believe we are now in the last days. Will there be a one-world religion under the Kingship of the Antichrist?

My question is, “Will the two giants of religion, Catholicism and Islam come to a compromise concerning the Father in Heaven and Allah? Will there be any single issue that could bring the two together, giving the appearance of co-equality between the two giants of world religion and a form of togetherness between the two Gods they worship?

In 1916, and on three separate occasions, three young children, Lucia Santos, and her two cousins claimed to have witnessed apparitions of an angel in the region of Ourem Portugal. These sightings continued until 5/13/1917 when, while tending sheep they claimed to have witnessed the apparition of what they claimed to be the Virgin Mary.

Mary is for the Moslems the true Sayyida, or Lady. The only serious rival to her in their creed would be Fatima, the daughter of Mohammed. But after the death of Fatima, Mohammed wrote: Thou shalt be the most blessed of women in Paradise, after Mary. In a variant of the text Fatima is made to say; I surpass all the women, except Mary.”

Mary has played an important role in the Muslim and Catholic world. Perhaps as Catholic Bishop Sheen noted, “She (Mary) will be the bridge that connects two vastly different cultures, and the common mother who keeps her children talking.” So, the question, “Does the Lady of Fatima, Mary, and Mohamad’s daughter Fatima have any future role in Vatican-Muslim dialogue in these end days?

[JehovahsWitness]

All false religion (whether big, small or giant) will, according to bibl prophecy, be destoyed, along with all their "children" (break off sects and denominations). The religions of this world are called in scripture BABYLON THE GREAT.


JEHOVAH'S WITNESS

I would call the following followers of "Babylon the Great, the children of darkness. Islamists, Buddhists, Atheist, ...

Its not for anyone but God to judge individuals, Babylon is the world empire of false religion, not the individuals in them ( compare Revelation 18:4)

MATTHEW 7:1

"Do not judge, or you will be judged

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[servant1]

[Replying to placebofactor in post #2]

Elohim is a Hebrew word, not a name. It translates-the supreme one for the true living God. YHWH or YHVH is Gods personal name in Hebrew.
Elohim can be used plural, like for the false trinity gods served in the ot days. Never plural for the God Israel served.

[Difflugia]

Elohim is a Hebrew word, not a name. It translates-the supreme one for the true living God. YHWH or YHVH is Gods personal name in Hebrew.
Elohim can be used plural, like for the false trinity gods served in the ot days. Never plural for the God Israel served.

There are verses where Elohim is unambiguously a name, like Psalm 44:1:

Elohim, in our ears we have heard what our fathers have told us, the work you did in their days, in days of old.

There are verses where Elohim is just a word meaning "gods" or "a god," but there are also verses like the one above where it can only be a proper name.

[servant1]

[Replying to Difflugia in post #13]

No that is not a name in the Hebrew OT ever.
The title God is in my translation at 44:1 not Elohim.

[Difflugia]

No that is not a name in the Hebrew OT ever.
The title God is in my translation at 44:1 not Elohim.

That's not a title.

In Hebrew, when a noun lacks a definite article, but must be definite from context, it's a name. If it were a title, it would have a definite article prefix (Ha-elohim). That's a bit of a simplification, but you can read a more complete description of definite vs. indefinite vs. proper names in Hebrew from Gesenius at Wiksource.

A different example of this is how "King David" is written. "King" is his title, "David" is his name. The first two words in 1 Kings 1:1 are:

וְהַמֶּ֤לֶךְ דָּוִד֙
"And [the] King David ..."

"King" has a definite article, so is a title. "David" has no article, but is necessarily definite in context, so is a proper name.

[servant1]

[Replying to Difflugia in post #15]

No Hebrew scholar will tell you that. Elohim translates-The supreme one. Or the mighty one. It can mean the title God as well-NEVER a name.

[Difflugia]

No Hebrew scholar will tell you that.

I already linked one for you. Now find one that says otherwise.

Elohim translates-The supreme one. Or the mighty one. It can mean the title God as well

When it has a definite article.

-NEVER a name.

Except when it doesn't have a definite article, like it appears in much of the Old Testament.

I've had this conversation before. When a noun lacks a definite article or other means of marking it definite (like אֱלֹהֵֽינוּ, our god), the noun is either indefinite ("a god") or a proper name ("God"). In Hebrew, titles are definite nouns rather than indefinite ("the king," "our king," "the god," "our god"). There are verses where Elohim has a definite article and is used as a title, but there are also verses where it's unambiguously a personal name.

If the Bible is authoritative and means what it says, then El, Eloah, Elohim, and Yahweh are all proper and personal names of God. There's evidence that at least Eloah and Elohim weren't always such and only became proper names in later portions of the Old Testament. As the text stands now, however, those are all treated as proper names of God in multiple parts of the Old Testament.

[servant1]

[Replying to Difflugia in post #17]


Elijah translates--EL(Elohim) is Jehovah---Jehovah is Gods name, his only name.

[onewithhim]

Most of us, and most all theologians believe we are now in the last days. Will there be a one-world religion under the Kingship of the Antichrist?

My question is, “Will the two giants of religion, Catholicism and Islam come to a compromise concerning the Father in Heaven and Allah? Will there be any single issue that could bring the two together, giving the appearance of co-equality between the two giants of world religion and a form of togetherness between the two Gods they worship?

In 1916, and on three separate occasions, three young children, Lucia Santos, and her two cousins claimed to have witnessed apparitions of an angel in the region of Ourem Portugal. These sightings continued until 5/13/1917 when, while tending sheep they claimed to have witnessed the apparition of what they claimed to be the Virgin Mary.

Mary is for the Moslems the true Sayyida, or Lady. The only serious rival to her in their creed would be Fatima, the daughter of Mohammed. But after the death of Fatima, Mohammed wrote: Thou shalt be the most blessed of women in Paradise, after Mary. In a variant of the text Fatima is made to say; I surpass all the women, except Mary.”

Mary has played an important role in the Muslim and Catholic world. Perhaps as Catholic Bishop Sheen noted, “She (Mary) will be the bridge that connects two vastly different cultures, and the common mother who keeps her children talking.” So, the question, “Does the Lady of Fatima, Mary, and Mohamad’s daughter Fatima have any future role in Vatican-Muslim dialogue in these end days?

Another reason the two giants of religion may unite one day and fall under the rule of the Antichrist.

E-lo-him is how the Hebrews pronounce God’s name. Some believe the root word has been lost in Hebrew and currently exists only in Arabic as A-la-ha. Two of the oldest versions of the Bible, the Samaritan and Chaldean versions, retain the noun in its original form, A-la-him. The closeness of names alone could bring Islam and the Catholic Church to some mutual agreement.

"Elohim" is not the way Hebrews pronounce God's name. His name is the Tetragrammaton which is YHWH in Hebrew letters (Yohdh He' Waw He'). They stopped pronouncing it centuries ago because of a superstition concerning the proper treatment of God's name, but it was never "Elohim."

[Difflugia]

Elijah translates--EL(Elohim) is Jehovah---Jehovah is Gods name, his only name.

And Elishah translates—El is my salvation—El is also God's name, one of his other names.