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Jesus warned his disciples against suffering the judgment of Gehenna. Was he referring to a burning hell of everlasting torture? (Matthew 5:22)

The Greek word Ge'en na corresponds to the Hebrew geh veneh-Hin nom,---Valley of the sons of Hinnom. It became a garbage dump for Jerusalem, serving as an incinerator where fires were kept burning to dispose of rubbish, and anything thrown into this dump would be completely destroyed, turned into ashes.

Many Bible translators haven rendered Ge' en na as "hell." (Matthew 5:22, KJV) Why is this? (Since Gehenna and hell are two different things.) Because they associated the pagan-inspired notion of an afterlife of fiery judgment for the wicked with the physical fire in the valley outside Jerusalem. Jesus, though, did not associate Gehenna with torture. He knew that the thought of burning people alive is repugnant to Jehovah. He referred to the use made of Gehenna in the days of the prophet Jeremiah. God said: "They have built the high places of Topheth which is in the valley of the sons of Hinnom in order to burn their sons and daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart." Burning people was not something that God can countenance, and He can't to this day. A good point is that the idea of torture for the dead conflicts with God's loving personality as well as with the Bible's clear teaching that "the dead are conscious of nothing." (Ecclesiastes 9:5,10)

Jesus used the term "Gehenna" to symbolize the utter destruction that would come from God's judgment on the wicked. So...."Gehenna" means, similarly, the lake of fire in Revelation. Both symbolize eternal destruction from which there is no resurrection. (Luke 12:4,5; Revelation 20:14,15.

Doesn't this sound more merciful than people being tortured in a never-ending fire? The fire symbolizes complete annihilation, just like what the fires in Gehenna did to trash and bodies of criminals.

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By Robert McCheyne:

“Life is like a stream made up of human beings pouring on and rushing over the brink into eternity. There is no blessing on the Christless dead. They rush into an undone eternity, unpardoned, unholy. You may put their body in a splendid coffin; you may print their name in silver on the lid; you may bring the well-attired company of mourners to the funeral in suits of solemn black; you may lay the coffin slowly in the grave; you may spread the greenest sod above it; you may train the sweetest flowers to grow over it; you may cut a white stone and engrave a gentle epitaph to their memory; BUT, it is still the funeral of a damned soul. You cannot write blessed where God has written “cursed.” He that believeth shall be saved; he that believeth not shall be damned.”

All a man or woman has to do is put faith and trust in the Lord Jesus. Scriptures tell us that the Lord himself is the propitiation, the satisfaction for our sins, and that his sacrifice has satisfied the Father in heaven.

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placebofactor wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 3:30 pm By Robert McCheyne:

“Life is like a stream made up of human beings pouring on and rushing over the brink into eternity. There is no blessing on the Christless dead. They rush into an undone eternity, unpardoned, unholy. You may put their body in a splendid coffin; you may print their name in silver on the lid; you may bring the well-attired company of mourners to the funeral in suits of solemn black; you may lay the coffin slowly in the grave; you may spread the greenest sod above it; you may train the sweetest flowers to grow over it; you may cut a white stone and engrave a gentle epitaph to their memory; BUT, it is still the funeral of a damned soul. You cannot write blessed where God has written “cursed.” He that believeth shall be saved; he that believeth not shall be damned.”

All a man or woman has to do is put faith and trust in the Lord Jesus. Scriptures tell us that the Lord himself is the propitiation, the satisfaction for our sins, and that his sacrifice has satisfied the Father in heaven.
There are many people who have not been able to learn about God and Christ. They have not made up their minds to accept or reject Christ. They will be given the chance to decide, so there will be many who are resurrected that are not yet Christians.

"There is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous." (Acts 24:15b)

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onewithhim wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:44 pm
placebofactor wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 3:30 pm By Robert McCheyne:

“Life is like a stream made up of human beings pouring on and rushing over the brink into eternity. There is no blessing on the Christless dead. They rush into an undone eternity, unpardoned, unholy. You may put their body in a splendid coffin; you may print their name in silver on the lid; you may bring the well-attired company of mourners to the funeral in suits of solemn black; you may lay the coffin slowly in the grave; you may spread the greenest sod above it; you may train the sweetest flowers to grow over it; you may cut a white stone and engrave a gentle epitaph to their memory; BUT, it is still the funeral of a damned soul. You cannot write blessed where God has written “cursed.” He that believeth shall be saved; he that believeth not shall be damned.”

All a man or woman has to do is put faith and trust in the Lord Jesus. Scriptures tell us that the Lord himself is the propitiation, the satisfaction for our sins, and that his sacrifice has satisfied the Father in heaven.
There are many people who have not been able to learn about God and Christ. They have not made up their minds to accept or reject Christ. They will be given the chance to decide, so there will be many who are resurrected that are not yet Christians.

"There is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous." (Acts 24:15b)
Yes, there are two resurrection, but not of the same time.

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Capbook wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:55 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sat Dec 07, 2024 3:44 pm
placebofactor wrote: Fri Dec 06, 2024 3:30 pm By Robert McCheyne:

“Life is like a stream made up of human beings pouring on and rushing over the brink into eternity. There is no blessing on the Christless dead. They rush into an undone eternity, unpardoned, unholy. You may put their body in a splendid coffin; you may print their name in silver on the lid; you may bring the well-attired company of mourners to the funeral in suits of solemn black; you may lay the coffin slowly in the grave; you may spread the greenest sod above it; you may train the sweetest flowers to grow over it; you may cut a white stone and engrave a gentle epitaph to their memory; BUT, it is still the funeral of a damned soul. You cannot write blessed where God has written “cursed.” He that believeth shall be saved; he that believeth not shall be damned.”

All a man or woman has to do is put faith and trust in the Lord Jesus. Scriptures tell us that the Lord himself is the propitiation, the satisfaction for our sins, and that his sacrifice has satisfied the Father in heaven.
There are many people who have not been able to learn about God and Christ. They have not made up their minds to accept or reject Christ. They will be given the chance to decide, so there will be many who are resurrected that are not yet Christians.

"There is going to be a resurrection of both the righteous and the unrighteous." (Acts 24:15b)
Yes, there are two resurrection, but not of the same time.
That is right. The first resurrection involves those anointed ones that will reign with Christ in heaven, and they are all righteous. The second resurrection is everybody else, righteous and unrighteous. This happens after the anointed ones have gone to heaven.

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onewithhim wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:53 am Jesus warned his disciples against suffering the judgment of Gehenna. Was he referring to a burning hell of everlasting torture? (Matthew 5:22)

The Greek word Ge'en na corresponds to the Hebrew geh veneh-Hin nom,---Valley of the sons of Hinnom. It became a garbage dump for Jerusalem, serving as an incinerator where fires were kept burning to dispose of rubbish, and anything thrown into this dump would be completely destroyed, turned into ashes.

Many Bible translators haven rendered Ge' en na as "hell." (Matthew 5:22, KJV) Why is this? (Since Gehenna and hell are two different things.) Because they associated the pagan-inspired notion of an afterlife of fiery judgment for the wicked with the physical fire in the valley outside Jerusalem. Jesus, though, did not associate Gehenna with torture. He knew that the thought of burning people alive is repugnant to Jehovah. He referred to the use made of Gehenna in the days of the prophet Jeremiah. God said: "They have built the high places of Topheth which is in the valley of the sons of Hinnom in order to burn their sons and daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart." Burning people was not something that God can countenance, and He can't to this day. A good point is that the idea of torture for the dead conflicts with God's loving personality as well as with the Bible's clear teaching that "the dead are conscious of nothing." (Ecclesiastes 9:5,10)

Jesus used the term "Gehenna" to symbolize the utter destruction that would come from God's judgment on the wicked. So...."Gehenna" means, similarly, the lake of fire in Revelation. Both symbolize eternal destruction from which there is no resurrection. (Luke 12:4,5; Revelation 20:14,15.

Doesn't this sound more merciful than people being tortured in a never-ending fire? The fire symbolizes complete annihilation, just like what the fires in Gehenna did to trash and bodies of criminals.
This you have posted is what pagans believe.

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slowrider wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2024 5:58 pm
onewithhim wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:53 am Jesus warned his disciples against suffering the judgment of Gehenna. Was he referring to a burning hell of everlasting torture? (Matthew 5:22)

The Greek word Ge'en na corresponds to the Hebrew geh veneh-Hin nom,---Valley of the sons of Hinnom. It became a garbage dump for Jerusalem, serving as an incinerator where fires were kept burning to dispose of rubbish, and anything thrown into this dump would be completely destroyed, turned into ashes.

Many Bible translators haven rendered Ge' en na as "hell." (Matthew 5:22, KJV) Why is this? (Since Gehenna and hell are two different things.) Because they associated the pagan-inspired notion of an afterlife of fiery judgment for the wicked with the physical fire in the valley outside Jerusalem. Jesus, though, did not associate Gehenna with torture. He knew that the thought of burning people alive is repugnant to Jehovah. He referred to the use made of Gehenna in the days of the prophet Jeremiah. God said: "They have built the high places of Topheth which is in the valley of the sons of Hinnom in order to burn their sons and daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart." Burning people was not something that God can countenance, and He can't to this day. A good point is that the idea of torture for the dead conflicts with God's loving personality as well as with the Bible's clear teaching that "the dead are conscious of nothing." (Ecclesiastes 9:5,10)

Jesus used the term "Gehenna" to symbolize the utter destruction that would come from God's judgment on the wicked. So...."Gehenna" means, similarly, the lake of fire in Revelation. Both symbolize eternal destruction from which there is no resurrection. (Luke 12:4,5; Revelation 20:14,15.

Doesn't this sound more merciful than people being tortured in a never-ending fire? The fire symbolizes complete annihilation, just like what the fires in Gehenna did to trash and bodies of criminals.
This you have posted is what pagans believe.
No it is not. Pagans believe in an eternal hell-fire with the Devil stoking the coals. They believe in the immortality of the soul and spirit and the existence of dead people's spirits involving themselves in the goings-on of the living. This is in direct opposition to what King Solomon said---"The dead are conscious of nothing at all." (Ecclesiastes 9:5)

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onewithhim wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2024 6:48 pm
slowrider wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2024 5:58 pm
onewithhim wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:53 am Jesus warned his disciples against suffering the judgment of Gehenna. Was he referring to a burning hell of everlasting torture? (Matthew 5:22)

The Greek word Ge'en na corresponds to the Hebrew geh veneh-Hin nom,---Valley of the sons of Hinnom. It became a garbage dump for Jerusalem, serving as an incinerator where fires were kept burning to dispose of rubbish, and anything thrown into this dump would be completely destroyed, turned into ashes.

Many Bible translators haven rendered Ge' en na as "hell." (Matthew 5:22, KJV) Why is this? (Since Gehenna and hell are two different things.) Because they associated the pagan-inspired notion of an afterlife of fiery judgment for the wicked with the physical fire in the valley outside Jerusalem. Jesus, though, did not associate Gehenna with torture. He knew that the thought of burning people alive is repugnant to Jehovah. He referred to the use made of Gehenna in the days of the prophet Jeremiah. God said: "They have built the high places of Topheth which is in the valley of the sons of Hinnom in order to burn their sons and daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart." Burning people was not something that God can countenance, and He can't to this day. A good point is that the idea of torture for the dead conflicts with God's loving personality as well as with the Bible's clear teaching that "the dead are conscious of nothing." (Ecclesiastes 9:5,10)

Jesus used the term "Gehenna" to symbolize the utter destruction that would come from God's judgment on the wicked. So...."Gehenna" means, similarly, the lake of fire in Revelation. Both symbolize eternal destruction from which there is no resurrection. (Luke 12:4,5; Revelation 20:14,15.

Doesn't this sound more merciful than people being tortured in a never-ending fire? The fire symbolizes complete annihilation, just like what the fires in Gehenna did to trash and bodies of criminals.
This you have posted is what pagans believe.
No it is not. Pagans believe in an eternal hell-fire with the Devil stoking the coals. They believe in the immortality of the soul and spirit and the existence of dead people's spirits involving themselves in the goings-on of the living. This is in direct opposition to what King Solomon said---"The dead are conscious of nothing at all." (Ecclesiastes 9:5)
Shame on you telling people that celebrating the birth of Jesus is a pagan ritual.
God told me He has had enough of you.

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slowrider wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2024 6:59 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2024 6:48 pm
slowrider wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2024 5:58 pm
onewithhim wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:53 am Jesus warned his disciples against suffering the judgment of Gehenna. Was he referring to a burning hell of everlasting torture? (Matthew 5:22)

The Greek word Ge'en na corresponds to the Hebrew geh veneh-Hin nom,---Valley of the sons of Hinnom. It became a garbage dump for Jerusalem, serving as an incinerator where fires were kept burning to dispose of rubbish, and anything thrown into this dump would be completely destroyed, turned into ashes.

Many Bible translators haven rendered Ge' en na as "hell." (Matthew 5:22, KJV) Why is this? (Since Gehenna and hell are two different things.) Because they associated the pagan-inspired notion of an afterlife of fiery judgment for the wicked with the physical fire in the valley outside Jerusalem. Jesus, though, did not associate Gehenna with torture. He knew that the thought of burning people alive is repugnant to Jehovah. He referred to the use made of Gehenna in the days of the prophet Jeremiah. God said: "They have built the high places of Topheth which is in the valley of the sons of Hinnom in order to burn their sons and daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart." Burning people was not something that God can countenance, and He can't to this day. A good point is that the idea of torture for the dead conflicts with God's loving personality as well as with the Bible's clear teaching that "the dead are conscious of nothing." (Ecclesiastes 9:5,10)

Jesus used the term "Gehenna" to symbolize the utter destruction that would come from God's judgment on the wicked. So...."Gehenna" means, similarly, the lake of fire in Revelation. Both symbolize eternal destruction from which there is no resurrection. (Luke 12:4,5; Revelation 20:14,15.

Doesn't this sound more merciful than people being tortured in a never-ending fire? The fire symbolizes complete annihilation, just like what the fires in Gehenna did to trash and bodies of criminals.
This you have posted is what pagans believe.
No it is not. Pagans believe in an eternal hell-fire with the Devil stoking the coals. They believe in the immortality of the soul and spirit and the existence of dead people's spirits involving themselves in the goings-on of the living. This is in direct opposition to what King Solomon said---"The dead are conscious of nothing at all." (Ecclesiastes 9:5)
Shame on you telling people that celebrating the birth of Jesus is a pagan ritual.
God told me He has had enough of you.
I have seen, through a study of the Bible, that Jesus does not wish to be associated with that mess. Christmas is pretty, but doesn't Satan present himself as an angel of light? "Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light." (2Corinthians 11:14) He's got everyone fooled because of the beauty of the holiday and the partying associated with Christmas.

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onewithhim wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2024 8:54 am
slowrider wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2024 6:59 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2024 6:48 pm
slowrider wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2024 5:58 pm
onewithhim wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:53 am Jesus warned his disciples against suffering the judgment of Gehenna. Was he referring to a burning hell of everlasting torture? (Matthew 5:22)

The Greek word Ge'en na corresponds to the Hebrew geh veneh-Hin nom,---Valley of the sons of Hinnom. It became a garbage dump for Jerusalem, serving as an incinerator where fires were kept burning to dispose of rubbish, and anything thrown into this dump would be completely destroyed, turned into ashes.

Many Bible translators haven rendered Ge' en na as "hell." (Matthew 5:22, KJV) Why is this? (Since Gehenna and hell are two different things.) Because they associated the pagan-inspired notion of an afterlife of fiery judgment for the wicked with the physical fire in the valley outside Jerusalem. Jesus, though, did not associate Gehenna with torture. He knew that the thought of burning people alive is repugnant to Jehovah. He referred to the use made of Gehenna in the days of the prophet Jeremiah. God said: "They have built the high places of Topheth which is in the valley of the sons of Hinnom in order to burn their sons and daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart." Burning people was not something that God can countenance, and He can't to this day. A good point is that the idea of torture for the dead conflicts with God's loving personality as well as with the Bible's clear teaching that "the dead are conscious of nothing." (Ecclesiastes 9:5,10)

Jesus used the term "Gehenna" to symbolize the utter destruction that would come from God's judgment on the wicked. So...."Gehenna" means, similarly, the lake of fire in Revelation. Both symbolize eternal destruction from which there is no resurrection. (Luke 12:4,5; Revelation 20:14,15.

Doesn't this sound more merciful than people being tortured in a never-ending fire? The fire symbolizes complete annihilation, just like what the fires in Gehenna did to trash and bodies of criminals.
This you have posted is what pagans believe.
No it is not. Pagans believe in an eternal hell-fire with the Devil stoking the coals. They believe in the immortality of the soul and spirit and the existence of dead people's spirits involving themselves in the goings-on of the living. This is in direct opposition to what King Solomon said---"The dead are conscious of nothing at all." (Ecclesiastes 9:5)
Shame on you telling people that celebrating the birth of Jesus is a pagan ritual.
God told me He has had enough of you.
I have seen, through a study of the Bible, that Jesus does not wish to be associated with that mess. Christmas is pretty, but doesn't Satan present himself as an angel of light? "Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light." (2Corinthians 11:14) He's got everyone fooled because of the beauty of the holiday and the partying associated with Christmas.
You haven't seen anything all you are doing is just repeating some nonsense some one else taught
you by indoctrinating you at an early age. Nothing more nothing less.

But I tell you this,
you sure enough going to experience the truth
first hand very soon.

Yes you will.

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slowrider wrote: Tue Dec 10, 2024 12:27 am
onewithhim wrote: Mon Dec 09, 2024 8:54 am
slowrider wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2024 6:59 pm
onewithhim wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2024 6:48 pm
slowrider wrote: Sun Dec 08, 2024 5:58 pm
onewithhim wrote: Mon Dec 11, 2023 11:53 am Jesus warned his disciples against suffering the judgment of Gehenna. Was he referring to a burning hell of everlasting torture? (Matthew 5:22)

The Greek word Ge'en na corresponds to the Hebrew geh veneh-Hin nom,---Valley of the sons of Hinnom. It became a garbage dump for Jerusalem, serving as an incinerator where fires were kept burning to dispose of rubbish, and anything thrown into this dump would be completely destroyed, turned into ashes.

Many Bible translators haven rendered Ge' en na as "hell." (Matthew 5:22, KJV) Why is this? (Since Gehenna and hell are two different things.) Because they associated the pagan-inspired notion of an afterlife of fiery judgment for the wicked with the physical fire in the valley outside Jerusalem. Jesus, though, did not associate Gehenna with torture. He knew that the thought of burning people alive is repugnant to Jehovah. He referred to the use made of Gehenna in the days of the prophet Jeremiah. God said: "They have built the high places of Topheth which is in the valley of the sons of Hinnom in order to burn their sons and daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart." Burning people was not something that God can countenance, and He can't to this day. A good point is that the idea of torture for the dead conflicts with God's loving personality as well as with the Bible's clear teaching that "the dead are conscious of nothing." (Ecclesiastes 9:5,10)

Jesus used the term "Gehenna" to symbolize the utter destruction that would come from God's judgment on the wicked. So...."Gehenna" means, similarly, the lake of fire in Revelation. Both symbolize eternal destruction from which there is no resurrection. (Luke 12:4,5; Revelation 20:14,15.

Doesn't this sound more merciful than people being tortured in a never-ending fire? The fire symbolizes complete annihilation, just like what the fires in Gehenna did to trash and bodies of criminals.
This you have posted is what pagans believe.
No it is not. Pagans believe in an eternal hell-fire with the Devil stoking the coals. They believe in the immortality of the soul and spirit and the existence of dead people's spirits involving themselves in the goings-on of the living. This is in direct opposition to what King Solomon said---"The dead are conscious of nothing at all." (Ecclesiastes 9:5)
Shame on you telling people that celebrating the birth of Jesus is a pagan ritual.
God told me He has had enough of you.
I have seen, through a study of the Bible, that Jesus does not wish to be associated with that mess. Christmas is pretty, but doesn't Satan present himself as an angel of light? "Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light." (2Corinthians 11:14) He's got everyone fooled because of the beauty of the holiday and the partying associated with Christmas.
You haven't seen anything all you are doing is just repeating some nonsense some one else taught
you by indoctrinating you at an early age. Nothing more nothing less.

But I tell you this,
you sure enough going to experience the truth
first hand very soon.

Yes you will.
You can't say what I think or what I have done. I found the Truth after I had a child, and I wasn't at an "early age." I don't take anyone's word for anything, and I actively searched for the Truth, studying the Bible closely. I know Jesus wasn't as mean as you are.

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