To all true Christians there is nothing more important to our salvation than "The Atonement of Jesus Christ".
Having said that, is it not therefore extremely important to every individual to understand fully what and how the atonement works for our benefit?
What does the atonement do or does not do?
What is required on our part to receive the full benefits of the atonement?
What and when and by whom did the atonement begin?
Can anyone clearly show all scriptures pertaining to the atonement?
I look forward to hearing your "take" on this most important topic.
Kind regards,
RW
The Atonement
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Re: The Atonement
Post #1261It accomplished the appeasement of Gods Wrath!
People, for the whole world of persons that Christ died for, His Death for them did propitate Gods Wrath for them 1 Jn 2:1-2. God has no more wrath for them. Therefore, where the scripture speaks of people being under Gods Wrath Jn 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
So reasonably concluding, the ones that believes not, and are under Gods Wrath, can't be any Christ died for. 58
People, for the whole world of persons that Christ died for, His Death for them did propitate Gods Wrath for them 1 Jn 2:1-2. God has no more wrath for them. Therefore, where the scripture speaks of people being under Gods Wrath Jn 3:36
He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.
So reasonably concluding, the ones that believes not, and are under Gods Wrath, can't be any Christ died for. 58
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Re: The Atonement
Post #1262Hath Perfected them forever!
One of the Blessings of the Death of Christ, applied to every sinner He offered Himself for, they are by His Death alone "Perfected forever"
Heb 10:14
For by one offering[His Death] he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
So His one offering saved them, they can't be lost forever, 58
One of the Blessings of the Death of Christ, applied to every sinner He offered Himself for, they are by His Death alone "Perfected forever"
Heb 10:14
For by one offering[His Death] he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.
So His one offering saved them, they can't be lost forever, 58
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Re: The Atonement
Post #1263Hath Perfected them forever!2
Now because it's a fact that sinners Christ died for are perfected forever, a truth that only God given Faith can receive, none of them can or will ever come into condemnation!
Now because it's a fact that sinners Christ died for are perfected forever, a truth that only God given Faith can receive, none of them can or will ever come into condemnation!
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Re: The Atonement
Post #1264It brings us to God !
Even though the religious unbelieving world can't and doesn't believe this, one of the effects of the atoning death of Christ is to bring chosen sinners to God 1 Peter 3:18
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
That word bring is the greek word prosagó and means:
Definition: I bring to, bring near; I come to or towards, approach.
Its the same word Jesus uses here Jn 10:16
King James Bible
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
He brings them by the power and effect of His Death. That is why the writer of Hebrews writes they come to God by Him Heb 7:25
Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. 58
Even though the religious unbelieving world can't and doesn't believe this, one of the effects of the atoning death of Christ is to bring chosen sinners to God 1 Peter 3:18
18 For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
That word bring is the greek word prosagó and means:
Definition: I bring to, bring near; I come to or towards, approach.
Its the same word Jesus uses here Jn 10:16
King James Bible
And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.
He brings them by the power and effect of His Death. That is why the writer of Hebrews writes they come to God by Him Heb 7:25
Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them. 58
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Re: The Atonement
Post #1265It saved them from the penalty of their sins!
False religion can't accept this tremendous Gospel Truth which is this, every sinner Christ died for, or tasted death for, they have been saved from the penalty of their sins, Heb 1:3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
This purging of their sins is a completed perfect work Deut 32:4!
The word purge here is the greek word katharismos:
cleansing, purifying, purification, literal, ceremonial, or moral; met: expiation.
a cleansing from the guilt of sins
That is the guilt they contracted in Adam, and then their own personal sins guilt! The guilt acquired by sinning against Gods moral law. The Penal law has been satisfied for them by His God Honoring purging Death! 59
False religion can't accept this tremendous Gospel Truth which is this, every sinner Christ died for, or tasted death for, they have been saved from the penalty of their sins, Heb 1:3
Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
This purging of their sins is a completed perfect work Deut 32:4!
The word purge here is the greek word katharismos:
cleansing, purifying, purification, literal, ceremonial, or moral; met: expiation.
a cleansing from the guilt of sins
That is the guilt they contracted in Adam, and then their own personal sins guilt! The guilt acquired by sinning against Gods moral law. The Penal law has been satisfied for them by His God Honoring purging Death! 59
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Re: The Atonement
Post #1266It purges the conscience from dead works to serve the Living God !
Folks this is the result , effect of Christ shedding His Blood! This verse condemns all false religions and Gospels that don't acknowledge the Saving Converting results of Christ Death/Blood alone Heb 9:14
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 60
Folks this is the result , effect of Christ shedding His Blood! This verse condemns all false religions and Gospels that don't acknowledge the Saving Converting results of Christ Death/Blood alone Heb 9:14
How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God? 60
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Re: The Atonement
Post #1267It makes men free indeed !
Jn 8:36
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Jesus here is speaking here of the effects, consequences of His Death, and it alone, and nothing of what a man does, but men are passive and strictly recipients of His action of making them free. This Truth is denied in false religion today, the antichrist gospels !
The Son here is Jesus Christ Himself, the Son of God, yeah even God the Son, the Word of God Jn 1:1. The word make denotes Christ's Sovereignty, His Power, and therewith He makes men free.
The words "shall make you free" eleuthero does mean:
to make free
set at liberty: from the dominion of sin
Christ makes those He died for free from the dominion of sin, or unbelief. By nature men as sinners are under the power, dominion of sin and unbelief, we are sold under sin by nature Rom 7:14
For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. Sold under the control, dominion of sin, under the authority of it.
Remember the Elect Vessels of Mercy were given to be under the control, prison of unbelief Rom 11:32
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
What does it mean to be concluded "by God" in unbelief ? It means to be under the power, prison, control of unbelief, this is the case of all men by nature, elect and non elect !
The word concluded sugkleió means to make subject to, by nature God has made all men subject to unbelief,
being under domination, control, or influence of unbelief ! Now this is what the Son receives credit for, in making them free from it, for whom He died ! 60
Jn 8:36
36 If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed.
Jesus here is speaking here of the effects, consequences of His Death, and it alone, and nothing of what a man does, but men are passive and strictly recipients of His action of making them free. This Truth is denied in false religion today, the antichrist gospels !
The Son here is Jesus Christ Himself, the Son of God, yeah even God the Son, the Word of God Jn 1:1. The word make denotes Christ's Sovereignty, His Power, and therewith He makes men free.
The words "shall make you free" eleuthero does mean:
to make free
set at liberty: from the dominion of sin
Christ makes those He died for free from the dominion of sin, or unbelief. By nature men as sinners are under the power, dominion of sin and unbelief, we are sold under sin by nature Rom 7:14
For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin. Sold under the control, dominion of sin, under the authority of it.
Remember the Elect Vessels of Mercy were given to be under the control, prison of unbelief Rom 11:32
For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
What does it mean to be concluded "by God" in unbelief ? It means to be under the power, prison, control of unbelief, this is the case of all men by nature, elect and non elect !
The word concluded sugkleió means to make subject to, by nature God has made all men subject to unbelief,
being under domination, control, or influence of unbelief ! Now this is what the Son receives credit for, in making them free from it, for whom He died ! 60
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Re: The Atonement
Post #1268Dear Brightfame 52,
You have posted many things regarding the Atonement.
Can you clearly state:
1. On what is the atonement based?
2. How does the atonement overpower the demands of justice?
3. Is the atonement a part and parcel of God's original plan designed for our mortality, death, resurrection and exaltation?
You have posted many things regarding the Atonement.
Can you clearly state:
1. On what is the atonement based?
2. How does the atonement overpower the demands of justice?
3. Is the atonement a part and parcel of God's original plan designed for our mortality, death, resurrection and exaltation?
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Re: The Atonement
Post #1269[Replying to Revelations won in post #1268]
Those are things you need to clarify, put work into, I have my own work to do in explaining myself, now you want to add more work on me, and you have did pretty much nothing.
Those are things you need to clarify, put work into, I have my own work to do in explaining myself, now you want to add more work on me, and you have did pretty much nothing.
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Re: The Atonement
Post #1270They are made free from Spiritual Darkness:
properly, set free, release from bondage; (figuratively) to remove the restrictions of sin (darkness) because delivered by God into true spiritual liberty (growth)
By nature men are not only in darkness of which the elect are called out of 1 Pet 2:9
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
Col 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Paul writes that we were sometimes darkness Eph 5:8
For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
But now, those Christ died for are made free from darkness, even spiritual darkness. If anyone Christ died for isnt delivered from darkness, His death failed its power and purpose !
properly, set free, release from bondage; (figuratively) to remove the restrictions of sin (darkness) because delivered by God into true spiritual liberty (growth)
By nature men are not only in darkness of which the elect are called out of 1 Pet 2:9
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;
Col 1:13
Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
Paul writes that we were sometimes darkness Eph 5:8
For ye were sometimes darkness, but now are ye light in the Lord: walk as children of light:
But now, those Christ died for are made free from darkness, even spiritual darkness. If anyone Christ died for isnt delivered from darkness, His death failed its power and purpose !