O MY FATHER!

[Revelations won]

O My Father

O my Father, thou that dwellest In the high and glorious -place,

When shall I regain thy presence and again behold thy face?

In thy holy habitation, Did my spirit once reside?

In my first primeval childhood, was I nurtured near thy side?

For a wise and glorious purpose Thou hast placed me here on earth

And with held the recollection Of my former friends and birth:

Yet off times a secret something Whispered , “You’re a stranger here”,

And I felt that I had wandered From a more exalted sphere.

I had learned to call theeFather, Thru thy Spirit. From on high,

But until the key of knowledge was restored I knew not why.

In the heav’ns are parents single?

No the thought makes reason stare!

Truth is reason; truth eternal Tells me I’ve a mother there.

When I leave this frail existence , When I lay this mortal by

Father, Mother, may I meet youIn your royal courts on high?

Then at length, when I have completed All you sent me forth to do,

With your mutual approbation Let me come and dwell with you.




The above beautiful poem unveils a mystery of god to the mortal understanding. It teaches mighty eternal truths. Indeed God is the father of all his children that have lived, now live or will yet live to exercise their God given agency to be tried and tested and by following christ “also overcome the world” and become “partakers of the divine nature” and to also to “become heirs and joint heirs with Christ to also receive all that the Father hath”

On this Easter Sunday let us all cherish and rejoice in the mighty atonement and resurrection provided by Jesus Christ as our great exemplar! He has provided the way that we in our resurrection will also receive a permanent resurrection or reuniting of our spirit body with a permanent body of flesh and bone as Christ has received.

God bless you all with the deep understanding of eternal things as promised by the Holy Ghost.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #40]

Wherever it is, it simply means that someone was so close to God that it was like He was there with him. They had a mutual understanding about each other.

[Capbook]

To all respondents,

Let us examine the doctrinal points of the OP poem by line.


"O my Father, thou that dwellest In the high and glorious -place,

I think that most would agree that this is a correct statement.


"When shall I regain thy presence and again behold thy face?"

Does this line reflect a correct doctrinal view or understanding? Feel free to express your views on this point.

The second line, I believe we can regain His presence after our true repentance.
And beholding His face is I believe when we are with Him. John 14:2

[Revelations won]

Dear Capbook,

Responding to your post 1099:

“Revelations won wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 07, 2024 8:23 am
To all respondents,

Let us examine the doctrinal points of the OP poem by line.


O my Father, thou that dwellest In the high and glorious -place,

I think that most would agree that this is a correct statement.


"When shall I regain thy presence and again behold thy face?"

Does this line reflect a correct doctrinal view or understanding? Feel free to express your views on this point.

You said:

“The second line, I believe we can regain His presence after our true repentance.
And beholding His face is I believe when we are with Him. John 14:2”

I agree with your response.

May I suggest that it is obvious that we couldn’t regain his presence unless we lived with him as spirit sons and daughters of God before our mortal birth, wherein we gained a body of flesh and bone
Wherein our spirits dwell?

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to Revelations won in post #1]

Only two body types are described in the Bible, natural or terrestrial and spiritual or celestial:

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (I Corinthians 15:44)

There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. (I Corinthians 15:40)

Celestial means heavenly or spiritual and terrestrial means natural, earthly, or physical. There are only two body types, celestial and terrestrial, and they are different. The glory of the celestial is one and the glory of the terrestrial is another. In other words, they do not mix.

There is no hybrid being consisting of a spirit or soul living within a physical body described anywhere in the scriptures! Man is a terrestrial body, and angels are spiritual bodies.

There is also an order to the two bodies. The natural body comes first and the spiritual comes last if it comes at all:

Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. (I Corinthians 15:46)

So the natural body comes first and the spiritual body comes last. They are different and are never merged together at anytime in the scriptures!

All men are born of the flesh as natural or physical flesh and blood bodies, and those who believe in Jesus will be born again of the Spirit (God) as spiritual bodied beings when Jesus returns!

[onewithhim]

Dear Capbook,

Responding to your post 1099:

“Revelations won wrote: ↑
Sun Jul 07, 2024 8:23 am
To all respondents,

Let us examine the doctrinal points of the OP poem by line.


O my Father, thou that dwellest In the high and glorious -place,

I think that most would agree that this is a correct statement.


"When shall I regain thy presence and again behold thy face?"

Does this line reflect a correct doctrinal view or understanding? Feel free to express your views on this point.

You said:

“The second line, I believe we can regain His presence after our true repentance.
And beholding His face is I believe when we are with Him. John 14:2”

I agree with your response.

May I suggest that it is obvious that we couldn’t regain his presence unless we lived with him as spirit sons and daughters of God before our mortal birth, wherein we gained a body of flesh and bone
Wherein our spirits dwell?

The man writing the poem was not a spirit before being born on the earth. But he had a relationship with God as one of His earthly sons. When he goes to heaven upon being resurrected after his death, he would "regain" his relationship with God, having had a cut-off friendship with Him upon death. He didn't need to be a spirit before he was born on the earth. "The second line, I believe we can regain His presence after our true repentance," is agreeable to me also. He doesn't need to have been in heaven before these words. He has the hope of ruling with Christ in heaven, after his resurrection to spirit life in the spirit realm, a first-time experience.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Revelations won in post #1]

Only two body types are described in the Bible, natural or terrestrial and spiritual or celestial:

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (I Corinthians 15:44)

There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. (I Corinthians 15:40)

Celestial means heavenly or spiritual and terrestrial means natural, earthly, or physical. There are only two body types, celestial and terrestrial, and they are different. The glory of the celestial is one and the glory of the terrestrial is another. In other words, they do not mix.

There is no hybrid being consisting of a spirit or soul living within a physical body described anywhere in the scriptures! Man is a terrestrial body, and angels are spiritual bodies.

There is also an order to the two bodies. The natural body comes first and the spiritual comes last if it comes at all:

Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. (I Corinthians 15:46)

So the natural body comes first and the spiritual body comes last. They are different and are never merged together at anytime in the scriptures!

All men are born of the flesh as natural or physical flesh and blood bodies, and those who believe in Jesus will be born again of the Spirit (God) as spiritual bodied beings when Jesus returns!

And they will have to have been doing the will of the Father, in addition to merely believing. (James 2:18-20; Matthew 7:21)

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to Revelations won in post #1]

Only two body types are described in the Bible, natural or terrestrial and spiritual or celestial:

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (I Corinthians 15:44)

There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. (I Corinthians 15:40)

Celestial means heavenly or spiritual and terrestrial means natural, earthly, or physical. There are only two body types, celestial and terrestrial, and they are different. The glory of the celestial is one and the glory of the terrestrial is another. In other words, they do not mix.

There is no hybrid being consisting of a spirit or soul living within a physical body described anywhere in the scriptures! Man is a terrestrial body, and angels are spiritual bodies.

There is also an order to the two bodies. The natural body comes first and the spiritual comes last if it comes at all:

Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. (I Corinthians 15:46)

So the natural body comes first and the spiritual body comes last. They are different and are never merged together at anytime in the scriptures!

All men are born of the flesh as natural or physical flesh and blood bodies, and those who believe in Jesus will be born again of the Spirit (God) as spiritual bodied beings when Jesus returns!

And they will have to have been doing the will of the Father, in addition to merely believing. (James 2:18-20; Matthew 7:21)

Not according to Jesus Christ. He said that whosoever believeth in Him would have everlasting life:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

Did Jesus get it wrong?

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Revelations won in post #1]

Only two body types are described in the Bible, natural or terrestrial and spiritual or celestial:

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (I Corinthians 15:44)

There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. (I Corinthians 15:40)

Celestial means heavenly or spiritual and terrestrial means natural, earthly, or physical. There are only two body types, celestial and terrestrial, and they are different. The glory of the celestial is one and the glory of the terrestrial is another. In other words, they do not mix.

There is no hybrid being consisting of a spirit or soul living within a physical body described anywhere in the scriptures! Man is a terrestrial body, and angels are spiritual bodies.

There is also an order to the two bodies. The natural body comes first and the spiritual comes last if it comes at all:

Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. (I Corinthians 15:46)

So the natural body comes first and the spiritual body comes last. They are different and are never merged together at anytime in the scriptures!

All men are born of the flesh as natural or physical flesh and blood bodies, and those who believe in Jesus will be born again of the Spirit (God) as spiritual bodied beings when Jesus returns!

And they will have to have been doing the will of the Father, in addition to merely believing. (James 2:18-20; Matthew 7:21)

Not according to Jesus Christ. He said that whosoever believeth in Him would have everlasting life:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

Did Jesus get it wrong?

He also said that not everyone would be on the road to life, but only those doing the will of the Father. (Matthew 7:21) James is Jesus' brother and certainly learned a lot from Him. I don't think he would say something that conflicts with his brother's teachings. He said that "the demons also believe, and shudder." (James 2:8-20) And "faith without works is dead."

According to you, the demons should have eternal life. They believe. But they are not on the road to life as Jesus spoke about in Matthew.

[myth-one.com]

[Replying to Revelations won in post #1]

Only two body types are described in the Bible, natural or terrestrial and spiritual or celestial:

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (I Corinthians 15:44)

There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. (I Corinthians 15:40)

Celestial means heavenly or spiritual and terrestrial means natural, earthly, or physical. There are only two body types, celestial and terrestrial, and they are different. The glory of the celestial is one and the glory of the terrestrial is another. In other words, they do not mix.

There is no hybrid being consisting of a spirit or soul living within a physical body described anywhere in the scriptures! Man is a terrestrial body, and angels are spiritual bodies.

There is also an order to the two bodies. The natural body comes first and the spiritual comes last if it comes at all:

Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. (I Corinthians 15:46)

So the natural body comes first and the spiritual body comes last. They are different and are never merged together at anytime in the scriptures!

All men are born of the flesh as natural or physical flesh and blood bodies, and those who believe in Jesus will be born again of the Spirit (God) as spiritual bodied beings when Jesus returns!

And they will have to have been doing the will of the Father, in addition to merely believing. (James 2:18-20; Matthew 7:21)

Not according to Jesus Christ. He said that whosoever believeth in Him would have everlasting life:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

Did Jesus get it wrong?

He also said that not everyone would be on the road to life, but only those doing the will of the Father. (Matthew 7:21) James is Jesus' brother and certainly learned a lot from Him. I don't think he would say something that conflicts with his brother's teachings. He said that "the demons also believe, and shudder." (James 2:8-20) And "faith without works is dead."

According to you, the demons should have eternal life. They believe. But they are not on the road to life as Jesus spoke about in Matthew.

Demons already have everlasting life, regardless of what they believe.

Definition of demon: an evil spirit or devil.

Spiritual bodies live forever.

John 4:24
God is a Spirit:

[onewithhim]

[Replying to Revelations won in post #1]

Only two body types are described in the Bible, natural or terrestrial and spiritual or celestial:

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (I Corinthians 15:44)

There are also celestial bodies, and bodies terrestrial: but the glory of the celestial is one, and the glory of the terrestrial is another. (I Corinthians 15:40)

Celestial means heavenly or spiritual and terrestrial means natural, earthly, or physical. There are only two body types, celestial and terrestrial, and they are different. The glory of the celestial is one and the glory of the terrestrial is another. In other words, they do not mix.

There is no hybrid being consisting of a spirit or soul living within a physical body described anywhere in the scriptures! Man is a terrestrial body, and angels are spiritual bodies.

There is also an order to the two bodies. The natural body comes first and the spiritual comes last if it comes at all:

Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. (I Corinthians 15:46)

So the natural body comes first and the spiritual body comes last. They are different and are never merged together at anytime in the scriptures!

All men are born of the flesh as natural or physical flesh and blood bodies, and those who believe in Jesus will be born again of the Spirit (God) as spiritual bodied beings when Jesus returns!

And they will have to have been doing the will of the Father, in addition to merely believing. (James 2:18-20; Matthew 7:21)

Not according to Jesus Christ. He said that whosoever believeth in Him would have everlasting life:

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

Did Jesus get it wrong?

He also said that not everyone would be on the road to life, but only those doing the will of the Father. (Matthew 7:21) James is Jesus' brother and certainly learned a lot from Him. I don't think he would say something that conflicts with his brother's teachings. He said that "the demons also believe, and shudder." (James 2:8-20) And "faith without works is dead."

According to you, the demons should have eternal life. They believe. But they are not on the road to life as Jesus spoke about in Matthew.

Demons already have everlasting life, regardless of what they believe.

Definition of demon: an evil spirit or devil.

Spiritual bodies live forever.

John 4:24
God is a Spirit:

Demons do not have everlasting life. That is a gift for the righteous, not the evil entities. The Devil and his minions are destined to be extinguished from existence. That is what the "lake of fire" and "Gehenna" mean---eternal obliteration....death.