GEHENNA, a place of fiery torture?

[onewithhim]

Jesus warned his disciples against suffering the judgment of Gehenna. Was he referring to a burning hell of everlasting torture? (Matthew 5:22)

The Greek word Ge'en na corresponds to the Hebrew geh veneh-Hin nom,---Valley of the sons of Hinnom. It became a garbage dump for Jerusalem, serving as an incinerator where fires were kept burning to dispose of rubbish, and anything thrown into this dump would be completely destroyed, turned into ashes.

Many Bible translators haven rendered Ge' en na as "hell." (Matthew 5:22, KJV) Why is this? (Since Gehenna and hell are two different things.) Because they associated the pagan-inspired notion of an afterlife of fiery judgment for the wicked with the physical fire in the valley outside Jerusalem. Jesus, though, did not associate Gehenna with torture. He knew that the thought of burning people alive is repugnant to Jehovah. He referred to the use made of Gehenna in the days of the prophet Jeremiah. God said: "They have built the high places of Topheth which is in the valley of the sons of Hinnom in order to burn their sons and daughters in the fire, a thing that I had not commanded and that had not come up into my heart." Burning people was not something that God can countenance, and He can't to this day. A good point is that the idea of torture for the dead conflicts with God's loving personality as well as with the Bible's clear teaching that "the dead are conscious of nothing." (Ecclesiastes 9:5,10)

Jesus used the term "Gehenna" to symbolize the utter destruction that would come from God's judgment on the wicked. So...."Gehenna" means, similarly, the lake of fire in Revelation. Both symbolize eternal destruction from which there is no resurrection. (Luke 12:4,5; Revelation 20:14,15.

Doesn't this sound more merciful than people being tortured in a never-ending fire? The fire symbolizes complete annihilation, just like what the fires in Gehenna did to trash and bodies of criminals.

[John17_3]

God is immortal because He is a spirit.

I have never read this in the Bible, and I am sure you have not either, so while this is your personal opinion. it would not serve to be useful at this time.

John 4:24

God is a Spirit:

Your claim was,
God is immortal because He is a spirit.

The scripture at John 4:24 reads,
For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.”

The scriptures do not say God is immortal because he is a spirit.
I am asking you to support that statement with scripture.

You made that claim in order to claim that spirits are immortal, didn't you?
Well, no scriptures supports that.

Adam and Eve were expelled from the Garden of Eden to prevent them from eating of the Tree of Life and living forever like God and the angels:

Genesis 3:

22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

That's okay. We have discussed that.

We were talking about spirit.
So you agree the scriptures do not say God is immortal because he is a spirit.
That's settled then. The scriptures do not say the angels are immortal. We can move on then.

[myth-one.com]

God is immortal because He is a spirit.

I have never read this in the Bible, and I am sure you have not either, so while this is your personal opinion. it would not serve to be useful at this time.

John 4:24

God is a Spirit:

Your claim was,
God is immortal because He is a spirit.

The scripture at John 4:24 reads,
For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.”

The scriptures do not say God is immortal because he is a spirit.
I am asking you to support that statement with scripture.

You made that claim in order to claim that spirits are immortal, didn't you?
Well, no scriptures supports that.

Adam and Eve were expelled from the Garden of Eden to prevent them from eating of the Tree of Life and living forever like God and the angels:

Genesis 3:

22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

That's okay. We have discussed that.

We were talking about spirit.
So you agree the scriptures do not say God is immortal because he is a spirit.
That's settled then. The scriptures do not say the angels are immortal. We can move on then.

All spiritual bodied beings are immortal.

God is a Spirit.

Thus, God is immortal.

[John17_3]

God is immortal because He is a spirit.

I have never read this in the Bible, and I am sure you have not either, so while this is your personal opinion. it would not serve to be useful at this time.

John 4:24

God is a Spirit:

Your claim was,
God is immortal because He is a spirit.

The scripture at John 4:24 reads,
For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.”

The scriptures do not say God is immortal because he is a spirit.
I am asking you to support that statement with scripture.

You made that claim in order to claim that spirits are immortal, didn't you?
Well, no scriptures supports that.

Adam and Eve were expelled from the Garden of Eden to prevent them from eating of the Tree of Life and living forever like God and the angels:

Genesis 3:

22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

That's okay. We have discussed that.

We were talking about spirit.
So you agree the scriptures do not say God is immortal because he is a spirit.
That's settled then. The scriptures do not say the angels are immortal. We can move on then.

All spiritual bodied beings are immortal.

God is a Spirit.

Thus, God is immortal.

Since this is only a claim, is that to say that is all you are able to submit?

[myth-one.com]

God is immortal because He is a spirit.

I have never read this in the Bible, and I am sure you have not either, so while this is your personal opinion. it would not serve to be useful at this time.

John 4:24

God is a Spirit:

Your claim was,
God is immortal because He is a spirit.

The scripture at John 4:24 reads,
For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.”

The scriptures do not say God is immortal because he is a spirit.
I am asking you to support that statement with scripture.

You made that claim in order to claim that spirits are immortal, didn't you?
Well, no scriptures supports that.

Adam and Eve were expelled from the Garden of Eden to prevent them from eating of the Tree of Life and living forever like God and the angels:

Genesis 3:

22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

That's okay. We have discussed that.

We were talking about spirit.
So you agree the scriptures do not say God is immortal because he is a spirit.
That's settled then. The scriptures do not say the angels are immortal. We can move on then.

All spiritual bodied beings are immortal.

God is a Spirit.

Thus, God is immortal.

Since this is only a claim, is that to say that is all you are able to submit?

It's from the scriptures:

There are two type of living beings, natural and spiritual:

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (1 Corinthians 15:44)

And God and the angels live forever as stated in Genesis chapter 3.

Mankind was expelled from the Garden of Eden to prevent them from eating of the Tree of Life and thus living forever like God and the angels:

And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. (Genesis 3:22-23)

If Adam and Eve ate from the tree of Life, they would become immortal like God and the angels!

So God and the other spirits are immortals!

The spirit Satan, for example, will be imprisoned in the lake of fire eternally, because he is an immortal spirit.

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For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

Believers will gain everlasting life by being born again of the Spirit (God) as a spirit into the spiritual Kingdom of God:


Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (John 3:7)

[Capbook]

God is immortal because He is a spirit.

I have never read this in the Bible, and I am sure you have not either, so while this is your personal opinion. it would not serve to be useful at this time.

John 4:24

God is a Spirit:

Your claim was,
God is immortal because He is a spirit.

The scripture at John 4:24 reads,
For God is Spirit, so those who worship him must worship in spirit and in truth.”

The scriptures do not say God is immortal because he is a spirit.
I am asking you to support that statement with scripture.

You made that claim in order to claim that spirits are immortal, didn't you?
Well, no scriptures supports that.

Adam and Eve were expelled from the Garden of Eden to prevent them from eating of the Tree of Life and living forever like God and the angels:

Genesis 3:

22 And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

23 Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.

24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

That's okay. We have discussed that.

We were talking about spirit.
So you agree the scriptures do not say God is immortal because he is a spirit.
That's settled then. The scriptures do not say the angels are immortal. We can move on then.

All spiritual bodied beings are immortal.

God is a Spirit.

Thus, God is immortal.

Since this is only a claim, is that to say that is all you are able to submit?

It's from the scriptures:

There are two type of living beings, natural and spiritual:

There is a natural body, and there is a spiritual body. (1 Corinthians 15:44)

And God and the angels live forever as stated in Genesis chapter 3.

Mankind was expelled from the Garden of Eden to prevent them from eating of the Tree of Life and thus living forever like God and the angels:

And the Lord God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever:

Therefore the Lord God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken. (Genesis 3:22-23)

If Adam and Eve ate from the tree of Life, they would become immortal like God and the angels!

So God and the other spirits are immortals!

The spirit Satan, for example, will be imprisoned in the lake of fire eternally, because he is an immortal spirit.

<==============================================>

For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. (John 3:16)

Believers will gain everlasting life by being born again of the Spirit (God) as a spirit into the spiritual Kingdom of God:


Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (John 3:7)

Lexicon define "cherub" Greek word "kerub" as an angelic being, as you would interpret as a spirit. (Ezek 28:16)
And "destroy" Greek word "abad" BDB lexicon define it as put to death, die, kill, etc. (Ezek 28:16)
Satan is an angelic being (2Cor 11:14) will be put to death by fire in God's final judgement.

Ezk 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

כּרוּב kerûb
BDB Definition:
1) cherub, cherubim (plural)
1a) an angelic being
1a1) as guardians of Eden
1a2) as flanking God’s throne
1a3) as an image form hovering over the Ark of the Covenant

אבדb 'âbad
BDB Definition:
1) perish, vanish, go astray, be destroyed
1a) (Qal)
1a1) perish, die, be exterminated
1a2) perish, vanish (figuratively)
1a3) be lost, strayed
1b) (Piel)
1b1) to destroy, kill, cause to perish, to give up
1b2) to blot out, do away with, cause to vanish, (figuratively)
1b3) cause to stray, lose
1c) (Hiphil)
1c1) to destroy, put to death

2Co 11:14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

Act 26:18 To open their eyes, and to turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan unto God, that they may receive forgiveness of sins, and inheritance among them which are sanctified by faith that is in me.

[myth-one.com]

Satan is an angelic being (2Cor 11:14) will be put to death by fire in God's final judgement.

Satan is an angelic being which cannot be put to death.

So he will be imprisoned eternally in the lake of fire:


And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

[Capbook]

Satan is an angelic being (2Cor 11:14) will be put to death by fire in God's final judgement.

Satan is an angelic being which cannot be put to death.

So he will be imprisoned eternally in the lake of fire:


And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

I believed I've already answered this on the other thread.
Shall we study Ezek 28:16, cherub in Greek "kerub", lexicon define it as an angelic being. And destroy in Greek "abad", lexicon define it as put to death, kill, die, and etc.
As you've said Satan is an angelic being same as the cherub in the verse below, will be destroyed or put to death by fire, same consequences with said cherub whom the Lord says would turn to ashes. (Ezek 28:18)

Ezk 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

כּרוּב kerûb
BDB Definition:
1) cherub, cherubim (plural)
1a) an angelic being

אבד 'âbad
BDB Definition:
1) perish, vanish, go astray, be destroyed
1a) (Qal)
1a1) perish, die, be exterminated
1a2) perish, vanish (figuratively)
1a3) be lost, strayed
1b) (Piel)
1b1) to destroy, kill, cause to perish, to give up
1b2) to blot out, do away with, cause to vanish, (figuratively)
1b3) cause to stray, lose
1c) (Hiphil)
1c1) to destroy, put to death

[myth-one.com]

Satan is an angelic being (2Cor 11:14) will be put to death by fire in God's final judgement.

Satan is an angelic being which cannot be put to death.

So he will be imprisoned eternally in the lake of fire:


And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

I believed I've already answered this on the other thread.
Shall we study Ezek 28:16, cherub in Greek "kerub", lexicon define it as an angelic being. And destroy in Greek "abad", lexicon define it as put to death, kill, die, and etc.
As you've said Satan is an angelic being same as the cherub in the verse below, will be destroyed or put to death by fire, same consequences with said cherub whom the Lord says would turn to ashes. (Ezek 28:18)

Ezk 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

כּרוּב kerûb
BDB Definition:
1) cherub, cherubim (plural)
1a) an angelic being

אבד 'âbad
BDB Definition:
1) perish, vanish, go astray, be destroyed
1a) (Qal)
1a1) perish, die, be exterminated
1a2) perish, vanish (figuratively)
1a3) be lost, strayed
1b) (Piel)
1b1) to destroy, kill, cause to perish, to give up
1b2) to blot out, do away with, cause to vanish, (figuratively)
1b3) cause to stray, lose
1c) (Hiphil)
1c1) to destroy, put to death

In plain English, are you claiming that the devil Satan will be killed?

[Capbook]

Satan is an angelic being (2Cor 11:14) will be put to death by fire in God's final judgement.

Satan is an angelic being which cannot be put to death.

So he will be imprisoned eternally in the lake of fire:


And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

I believed I've already answered this on the other thread.
Shall we study Ezek 28:16, cherub in Greek "kerub", lexicon define it as an angelic being. And destroy in Greek "abad", lexicon define it as put to death, kill, die, and etc.
As you've said Satan is an angelic being same as the cherub in the verse below, will be destroyed or put to death by fire, same consequences with said cherub whom the Lord says would turn to ashes. (Ezek 28:18)

Ezk 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

כּרוּב kerûb
BDB Definition:
1) cherub, cherubim (plural)
1a) an angelic being

אבד 'âbad
BDB Definition:
1) perish, vanish, go astray, be destroyed
1a) (Qal)
1a1) perish, die, be exterminated
1a2) perish, vanish (figuratively)
1a3) be lost, strayed
1b) (Piel)
1b1) to destroy, kill, cause to perish, to give up
1b2) to blot out, do away with, cause to vanish, (figuratively)
1b3) cause to stray, lose
1c) (Hiphil)
1c1) to destroy, put to death

In plain English, are you claiming that the devil Satan will be killed?

Yes, will be put to death. (Ezek 28:16)

[myth-one.com]

Satan is an angelic being (2Cor 11:14) will be put to death by fire in God's final judgement.

Satan is an angelic being which cannot be put to death.

So he will be imprisoned eternally in the lake of fire:


And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever. (Revelation 20:10)

I believed I've already answered this on the other thread.
Shall we study Ezek 28:16, cherub in Greek "kerub", lexicon define it as an angelic being. And destroy in Greek "abad", lexicon define it as put to death, kill, die, and etc.
As you've said Satan is an angelic being same as the cherub in the verse below, will be destroyed or put to death by fire, same consequences with said cherub whom the Lord says would turn to ashes. (Ezek 28:18)

Ezk 28:16 By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire.

כּרוּב kerûb
BDB Definition:
1) cherub, cherubim (plural)
1a) an angelic being

אבד 'âbad
BDB Definition:
1) perish, vanish, go astray, be destroyed
1a) (Qal)
1a1) perish, die, be exterminated
1a2) perish, vanish (figuratively)
1a3) be lost, strayed
1b) (Piel)
1b1) to destroy, kill, cause to perish, to give up
1b2) to blot out, do away with, cause to vanish, (figuratively)
1b3) cause to stray, lose
1c) (Hiphil)
1c1) to destroy, put to death

In plain English, are you claiming that the devil Satan will be killed?

Yes, will be put to death. (Ezek 28:16)

So the deceased Satan will be tormented day and night forever in the lake of fire.

How do you lexicon your way around that fact?