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The Atonement

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To all true Christians there is nothing more important to our salvation than "The Atonement of Jesus Christ".

Having said that, is it not therefore extremely important to every individual to understand fully what and how the atonement works for our benefit?

What does the atonement do or does not do?

What is required on our part to receive the full benefits of the atonement?

What and when and by whom did the atonement begin?

Can anyone clearly show all scriptures pertaining to the atonement?

I look forward to hearing your "take" on this most important topic.

Kind regards,
RW

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Delivered us from the curse of the Law !2


Listen those whom Jesus will speak these words unto Matt 25:41

41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:

They cannot be anyone Christ died for, because all them He died for were redeemed from the curse of the Law. This Everlasting Fire they are cursed into is the curse of the Law, its the Second Death Rev 21:8

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

Jesus calls them cursed in Matt 25:41 because they were not by His Death redeemed from the curse of the Law, and consequently their sins remain against and on them , they die in their sins Jn 8:24.

Understand, those cursed going into everlasting fire Matt 25:41, are going into the second death Rev 21:8, which all death is the wages of sin Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.



For the wages of sin is death,.... By sin, is meant every sin, original sin, actual sin, every kind of sin, lesser and greater: the "death" which sin deserves, is a corporeal death; which is not owing to the original nature and constitution of men; nor merely to the divine appointment; but to sin, and the decree of God, on account of it; which is inflicted on Christless sinners, as a punishment for sin, though not on believers as such, because Christ has took away the sting and curse of it: a death of diseases and afflictions also follows upon sin, as its proper demerit; which are properly punishments to wicked men, and are occasioned by sin in believers: there is a death of the soul, which comes by sin, which lies in an alienation from God, in a loss of the image of God, and in a servitude to sin; and there is an eternal death, the just wages of sin, which lies in a separation of soul and body from God, and in a sense of divine wrath to all eternity; and which is here meant, as is clear from its antithesis, "eternal life",
John Gill

But for all whom Christ died, He hath as a Gift to them, abolished death 2 Tim 1:10

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Its inconsistent with the accomplishment of Christ's death, for anyone He died for to go into the second death, or the Lake of fire as those in Matt 25:41 !

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Christ is Victorious over Death !


Christ is Victorious over Death ! However do we really believe this fact ? You see in Him being Victorious over Death, He has for them He died for, and rose again for their Justification Rom 4:25, for them because Hes Victorious, has abolished death 2 Tim 1:10

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

Now Christ Jesus has come to show us the kindness of God. Christ our Savior defeated death[for us] and brought us the good news. It shines like a light and offers life that never ends.

He brings immortality to light, that being "immunity from eternal death"

Now He is hardly Victorious over Death if those He died for as Surety Head remain in Spiritual death and go into the second death, For His Resurrection from/out from the dead was not for Himself, as His going into death was not for Himself, but as the Head and Surety of His People, the Sheep, His Body the Church, and so consequently if the Head is Victorious out from death, so must be His People, His Body ! Because He was raised for their Justification Rom 4:25, which is Justification of Life Rom 5:18b.

Its a great contradiction to say Christ is Victorious over death and not those He died for ! So do we really believe Christ is victorious over death if one He dies for is not ? NO we don't ! 46

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Faith and or Repentance


Faith and or Repentance toward God and or Christ are products of Redemption by the Blood of Christ, and not conditions of it Heb 9:14

14 How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?


Now false teachers would tell us that in order to be redeemed unto God by Christ's blood, one must meet the conditions of faith or repentance, but that is false, for the fact is, one is redeemed in order to repent and or believe on Christ, both faith and repentance are the evidences and consequences of having been redeemed by Christ's blood, for again we read in Rev 5:9-10

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.


Now notice carefully in this Praise what is being acknowledged about Christ, "for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests:"

So Repentance toward God and Faith in Christ Acts 20:21 are fruits, evidences, results of Redemption.

After redeeming them by His Blood, they are then made something unto God, its the production of spiritual service, a kingdom of priests, that's the result of redemption by blood, which also fulfills the prediction of Israel the Church Ex 19:6

6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.

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Makes us Alive !


Since Christ by His death, has abolished death for all whom He died, they must be made spiritually alive as proof of the same ! By His death alone He took away their sins 1 Jn 3:5

And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

And so by doing, He takes away death, or being dead, because being dead/death is the wages of sin Rom 6:23

23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Another way Paul expresses it is here Rom 5:15

But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

The offence here is sin, and because of it, many be dead, that means dead spiritually, dead to God, dead in sin and trespasses.

But now since Christ has taken away the offences, Justice demands that being made dead for sin is also taken away, which equates to being made alive !

You see, its a cheat upon the death of Christ, for those He died for, and took away their offences, for them to remain spiritually dead, spiritually dead to God, spiritually dead in trespasses and sins, for that would contradict the accomplishment of His Death ! So everyone Christ died for, must be and shall be made spiritually alive, for the only reason why they were made to be dead, was because of the offence Rom 5:15

But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

That offence being taken away 1 Jn 3:5, then being made dead must be taken away, that is Justice !

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Makes us Alive ! 2


Again, death, to include spiritual and the second death reigns because of sin Rom 5:21

That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.

But for those Christ has died for, put away their sins, death no longer has the right to reign over them, that is the eternal second death, nor spiritual death of which they were born in by nature .

If one for whom Christ died does not be made spiritually alive, its like saying Christ did not put away their sins by the sacrifice of Himself, and that He did not by His death abolish death, which scripture states that He did 2 Tim 1:10

10 But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and immortality to light through the gospel:

This also means that none for whom Christ died can be hurt with the second death Rev 2:11

He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death.

He that overcometh is simply everyone Christ died for as their Head and Representative ! 46

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Revelations won wrote: Sun Jun 20, 2021 8:21 am To all true Christians there is nothing more important to our salvation than "The Atonement of Jesus Christ".

Having said that, is it not therefore extremely important to every individual to understand fully what and how the atonement works for our benefit?

What does the atonement do or does not do?

What is required on our part to receive the full benefits of the atonement?

What and when and by whom did the atonement begin?

Can anyone clearly show all scriptures pertaining to the atonement?

I look forward to hearing your "take" on this most important topic.

Kind regards,
RW
To understand the Atonement fully is to embark on a lifelong journey of spiritual growth and discovery. It is not merely an intellectual exercise, but a transformation of the heart and soul. The Atonement is God's supreme act of love, bridging the chasm between our human frailty and His divine perfection.

What does it do? It offers forgiveness, healing, and reconciliation. It does not, But negate our free will or absolve us of responsibility. To receive its full benefits, we must open our hearts, repent sincerely, and strive to follow Christ's teachings with genuine commitment.

The Atonement's roots stretch back to the very foundation of creation, foreshadowed in ancient covenants and prophecies. Yet it reached its culmination in the life, death, and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Countless scriptures illuminate aspects of the Atonement, from Isaiah's prophecies to Paul's epistles, but no single verse can encapsulate its entirety. It is a truth best understood through prayerful study, personal revelation, and lived experience.

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He fulfilled all Righteousness for His People the Church !


Matt 3:15

15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to fulfil all righteousness. Then he suffered him.

I believe this includes the fulfilling of the Righteousness of the Law Rom 8:4

4 That the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

Christ's coming to the earth was also in regard to keeping the Law, Honoring it as it should have been Isa 42:21

21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness' sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.

He magnified it by keeping it for His People the Church, Christ as Adam did, did a Representative Work, He lived and died in the behalf of Gods People, those who also had a Representative Union with Him from before the foundation Eph 1:4

4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:

Christ for this Representative Work had all the fruits and graces of the Spirit Isa 11:1-5

And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

2 And the spirit of the Lord shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the Lord;

3 And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the Lord: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears:

4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth: with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

5 And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins.

He was given the Spirit without measure Jn 3:34

For he whom God hath sent speaketh the words of God: for God giveth not the Spirit by measure unto him.

Hence Christ as the Representative Surety of His People while living on Earth doing the Will of God for them Heb 10:7,9

He did for them perform all the Faith and Love to God and His Neighbor as required by the Law, Like when Jesus said to one who questioned Him here:

Matt 22:35-40

35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying,

36 Master, which is the great commandment in the law?

37 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.

38 This is the first and great commandment.

39 And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

40 On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

He has fully for His Church fulfilled The First and Great Commandment of the Law In Vs 37-38 and the second like unto it in Vs 39, So True Believers claim the Faith of Christ as theirs, not their own faith, but that Faith Christ exercised towards God while He was here living as the Surety Representative of His People, fulfilling all Righteousness ! 47

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@ armchairscholar
What does it do? It offers forgiveness, healing, and reconciliation.
This is wrong, for instance reconciliation by His Death isnt offered but accomplished Rom 5:10

10 For if, when we were enemies, we were reconciled to God by the death of his Son, much more, being reconciled, we shall be saved by his life.

were reconciled here κατηλλάγημεν Verb - Second Aorist Passive

Its a past tense verb and its accomplished, since the fruit is to be further saved by His life, but nothing is offered.

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Brings Fruit unto God !


One of the things Jesus atoning death was purposed to do and does do, it brings fruit unto God. Jesus said on one occasion Jn 12:24

24 Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground and die, it abideth alone: but if it die, it bringeth forth much fruit.

And Paul writes Rom 7:4

Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ[His death for you]; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.

Christ brings forth fruit when those He died for, according to the Will of God bring forth fruit, that was the purpose of His death, without the fruit, it was all in vain.

Christ death accomplished a twofold purpose, that those He died for should be #1 Married to another, because by His death for them they become dead to the Law, in order that they would be married to Christ. How did they become dead to the Law according to the text in Rom 7:4 ?

By the Body of Christ is how, which simply means by His death. Did you know that everyone Christ died for, are born into this world dead to the Law ? Not under its condemning power ! All other men are born condemned by the Law, those Christ did not die for, for instance those in Jn 3:18 cannot and do not believe because they are condemned by the Law, already condemned , their unbelief is evidence of their being already condemned !

But again, not so for those Christ died, because by His death or by the Body of Christ they become dead to the law ! 47

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Brings Fruit unto God ! 2


Yet It was for a Purpose that by Christ's death they were made dead to the Law, that purpose is " that they should become married to another, that being Jesus Christ, and that occurs when they in conversion believe on Him. Faith in Christ is how they become married to Him, Trusting in the Son, Kissing Him as the Psalmist wrote Ps 2:12

Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish from the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed are all they that put their trust in him.

Kissing the Son is evidence of subjection and esteem and warm affection,

Its the subjection that Paul counsels the Christian wife to have for her husband Eph 5:24

Therefore as the church is subject unto Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in every thing.

The word subject here is in the passive voice, the church is made subject to Christ by the purpose of God, that part of the purpose of Christ's death, so the church would be married to Him !

And then secondly, He died for them, made them dead to the Law, that they should bring forth fruit unto God, which is to Live by Faith, for this was one of the designs and purposed results of the death of Christ ! 47

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