Jesus is God - is Jesus the bridegroom?

[Wootah]

Blog post by someone: https://alexiscarucci.com/2022/05/18/je ... ridegroom/

Some relevant NT passages snipped from the blog post

Jesus referred to Himself as the bridegroom when He talked about why His disciples didn’t fast (Mark 2:18 – 20). Likewise, John, the Baptist, presented himself as the bridegroom’s friend and declared that the bride belongs to the bridegroom (John 3:29). The bride of Christ or the church consists of the entire body of believers throughout the ages, all who have received salvation by grace through faith. The New Jerusalem is also referred to as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband and alludes to Christ as the bridegroom (Revelation 21:2, 9 – 10).

Some relevant OT passages
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?s ... ersion=NIV

For your Maker is your husband—
the Lord Almighty is his name—
the Holy One of Israel is your Redeemer;
he is called the God of all the earth.

I think the union between man and God that was restablished in Jesus is quite clear. When we put our faith in Jesus we are accepting that what Jesus did has united God and man. It took God to unite what man tore apart.

So, Jesus is God or is Jesus some rando that calls himself the bridegroom?

[Wootah]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #98]

I think, given your level of understanding, I can agree that, for you, finally when you practise exegesis you can see the Bible has two Gods ... for you. Mostly from that understanding, that you have, you need to enter the enquiry of how that makes sense. That is where the understanding of the Trinity develops. But for now, honestly well done. You have come a long way.

Sorry, but you accept three Gods as the truth. You worship as a polytheist.

Given your level of understanding I can see that you would think that.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #98]

I think, given your level of understanding, I can agree that, for you, finally when you practise exegesis you can see the Bible has two Gods ... for you. Mostly from that understanding, that you have, you need to enter the enquiry of how that makes sense. That is where the understanding of the Trinity develops. But for now, honestly well done. You have come a long way.

Sorry, but you accept three Gods as the truth. You worship as a polytheist.

Given your level of understanding I can see that you would think that.

I never would say that I believe that there are two Almighty Gods. I am absolutely convinced that there is one Almighty God, YHWH, as Jesus himself said at John 17:3, and is also made clear at Psalm 83:18 (in the KJV and many other versions). I am totally a monotheist.

[Wootah]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #98]

I think, given your level of understanding, I can agree that, for you, finally when you practise exegesis you can see the Bible has two Gods ... for you. Mostly from that understanding, that you have, you need to enter the enquiry of how that makes sense. That is where the understanding of the Trinity develops. But for now, honestly well done. You have come a long way.

Sorry, but you accept three Gods as the truth. You worship as a polytheist.

Given your level of understanding I can see that you would think that.

I never would say that I believe that there are two Almighty Gods. I am absolutely convinced that there is one Almighty God, YHWH, as Jesus himself said at John 17:3, and is also made clear at Psalm 83:18 (in the KJV and many other versions). I am totally a monotheist.

No Christian says that there are two Gods.

Anyway try to rebut the topic and when you are done avoiding it you can avoid Jesus is God in this thread: viewtopic.php?p=1155169#p1155169.

[Capbook]

... Jesus, He is "the Son of God" could He be not a God?

He is a God. He's just not The God [Almighty]

And who do you think who said "the Almighty" in that verse? Who also said is to come, was dead but was made alive?

Rev 1:8
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
KJV

[Capbook]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #98]

I think, given your level of understanding, I can agree that, for you, finally when you practise exegesis you can see the Bible has two Gods ... for you. Mostly from that understanding, that you have, you need to enter the enquiry of how that makes sense. That is where the understanding of the Trinity develops. But for now, honestly well done. You have come a long way.

Sorry, but you accept three Gods as the truth. You worship as a polytheist.

Given your level of understanding I can see that you would think that.

I never would say that I believe that there are two Almighty Gods. I am absolutely convinced that there is one Almighty God, YHWH, as Jesus himself said at John 17:3, and is also made clear at Psalm 83:18 (in the KJV and many other versions). I am totally a monotheist.

If you believe that Jesus is God but not the Almighty God, you have two Gods of different level.
I believe that is not monotheist.
In Trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is one in the nature of God, in three persons.

Father as Lord : Acts 4:29
Jesus as Lord : 1 Cor 1:2
Holy Spirit as Lord : John 6:63 the Spirit gives life.(NIV) and the Lord is that Spirit. (2Cor 3:17)

Lexicon of Lord as "supreme in authority" if applied to the Father, why can't it be applied to the Son and Holy Spirit?

NT:2962
kurios (koo'-ree-os); from kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, i.e. (as noun) controller; by implication, Mr. (as a respectful title):
KJV - God, Lord, master, Sir.
(New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. , Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #98]

I think, given your level of understanding, I can agree that, for you, finally when you practise exegesis you can see the Bible has two Gods ... for you. Mostly from that understanding, that you have, you need to enter the enquiry of how that makes sense. That is where the understanding of the Trinity develops. But for now, honestly well done. You have come a long way.

Sorry, but you accept three Gods as the truth. You worship as a polytheist.

Given your level of understanding I can see that you would think that.

I never would say that I believe that there are two Almighty Gods. I am absolutely convinced that there is one Almighty God, YHWH, as Jesus himself said at John 17:3, and is also made clear at Psalm 83:18 (in the KJV and many other versions). I am totally a monotheist.

No Christian says that there are two Gods.

Anyway try to rebut the topic and when you are done avoiding it you can avoid Jesus is God in this thread: viewtopic.php?p=1155169#p1155169.

Are you insinuating that I am avoiding the Jesus is God thing? You must not have been reading my posts. The notion that Jesus is God is spurious

And, for one last thought here, I have discussed with people who said they were Christian and yet they believed in three Gods. I asked: Is the Father God? The answer: Yes
Is the Son God? Yes
Is the Holy Spirit God? Yes

That is a belief in three Gods, I would dare say.

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #98]

I think, given your level of understanding, I can agree that, for you, finally when you practise exegesis you can see the Bible has two Gods ... for you. Mostly from that understanding, that you have, you need to enter the enquiry of how that makes sense. That is where the understanding of the Trinity develops. But for now, honestly well done. You have come a long way.

Sorry, but you accept three Gods as the truth. You worship as a polytheist.

Given your level of understanding I can see that you would think that.

I never would say that I believe that there are two Almighty Gods. I am absolutely convinced that there is one Almighty God, YHWH, as Jesus himself said at John 17:3, and is also made clear at Psalm 83:18 (in the KJV and many other versions). I am totally a monotheist.

If you believe that Jesus is God but not the Almighty God, you have two Gods of different level.
I believe that is not monotheist.
In Trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is one in the nature of God, in three persons.

Father as Lord : Acts 4:29
Jesus as Lord : 1 Cor 1:2
Holy Spirit as Lord : John 6:63 the Spirit gives life.(NIV) and the Lord is that Spirit. (2Cor 3:17)

Lexicon of Lord as "supreme in authority" if applied to the Father, why can't it be applied to the Son and Holy Spirit?

NT:2962
kurios (koo'-ree-os); from kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, i.e. (as noun) controller; by implication, Mr. (as a respectful title):
KJV - God, Lord, master, Sir.
(New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. , Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

There are many gods (I Corinthians 8:5) as the Bible plainly shows us. But there is just ONE Almighty God, the Father.
It is not applied to the Son and the Holy Spirit because the Son is not Almighty (I Corinthians 11:3) but is subservient to the Father, and the Holy Spirit is just God's force---Jehovah's will being carried out. Psalm 83:18 shows us who is supreme in authority (see the King James Version).

[Capbook]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #98]

I think, given your level of understanding, I can agree that, for you, finally when you practise exegesis you can see the Bible has two Gods ... for you. Mostly from that understanding, that you have, you need to enter the enquiry of how that makes sense. That is where the understanding of the Trinity develops. But for now, honestly well done. You have come a long way.

Sorry, but you accept three Gods as the truth. You worship as a polytheist.

Given your level of understanding I can see that you would think that.

I never would say that I believe that there are two Almighty Gods. I am absolutely convinced that there is one Almighty God, YHWH, as Jesus himself said at John 17:3, and is also made clear at Psalm 83:18 (in the KJV and many other versions). I am totally a monotheist.

No Christian says that there are two Gods.

Anyway try to rebut the topic and when you are done avoiding it you can avoid Jesus is God in this thread: viewtopic.php?p=1155169#p1155169.

Are you insinuating that I am avoiding the Jesus is God thing? You must not have been reading my posts. The notion that Jesus is God is spurious

And, for one last thought here, I have discussed with people who said they were Christian and yet they believed in three Gods. I asked: Is the Father God? The answer: Yes
Is the Son God? Yes
Is the Holy Spirit God? Yes

That is a belief in three Gods, I would dare say.

They are three persons, one in the nature of God.

[Capbook]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #98]

I think, given your level of understanding, I can agree that, for you, finally when you practise exegesis you can see the Bible has two Gods ... for you. Mostly from that understanding, that you have, you need to enter the enquiry of how that makes sense. That is where the understanding of the Trinity develops. But for now, honestly well done. You have come a long way.

Sorry, but you accept three Gods as the truth. You worship as a polytheist.

Given your level of understanding I can see that you would think that.

I never would say that I believe that there are two Almighty Gods. I am absolutely convinced that there is one Almighty God, YHWH, as Jesus himself said at John 17:3, and is also made clear at Psalm 83:18 (in the KJV and many other versions). I am totally a monotheist.

If you believe that Jesus is God but not the Almighty God, you have two Gods of different level.
I believe that is not monotheist.
In Trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is one in the nature of God, in three persons.

Father as Lord : Acts 4:29
Jesus as Lord : 1 Cor 1:2
Holy Spirit as Lord : John 6:63 the Spirit gives life.(NIV) and the Lord is that Spirit. (2Cor 3:17)

Lexicon of Lord as "supreme in authority" if applied to the Father, why can't it be applied to the Son and Holy Spirit?

NT:2962
kurios (koo'-ree-os); from kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, i.e. (as noun) controller; by implication, Mr. (as a respectful title):
KJV - God, Lord, master, Sir.
(New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. , Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

There are many gods (I Corinthians 8:5) as the Bible plainly shows us. But there is just ONE Almighty God, the Father.
It is not applied to the Son and the Holy Spirit because the Son is not Almighty (I Corinthians 11:3) but is subservient to the Father, and the Holy Spirit is just God's force---Jehovah's will being carried out. Psalm 83:18 shows us who is supreme in authority (see the King James Version).

And who do you think who said "the Almighty" in that verse? Who also said is to come, was dead but was made alive? (Rev 1:8,17 and 18)

Rev 1:8
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
KJV

[onewithhim]

[Replying to onewithhim in post #98]

I think, given your level of understanding, I can agree that, for you, finally when you practise exegesis you can see the Bible has two Gods ... for you. Mostly from that understanding, that you have, you need to enter the enquiry of how that makes sense. That is where the understanding of the Trinity develops. But for now, honestly well done. You have come a long way.

Sorry, but you accept three Gods as the truth. You worship as a polytheist.

Given your level of understanding I can see that you would think that.

I never would say that I believe that there are two Almighty Gods. I am absolutely convinced that there is one Almighty God, YHWH, as Jesus himself said at John 17:3, and is also made clear at Psalm 83:18 (in the KJV and many other versions). I am totally a monotheist.

If you believe that Jesus is God but not the Almighty God, you have two Gods of different level.
I believe that is not monotheist.
In Trinity, the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit is one in the nature of God, in three persons.

Father as Lord : Acts 4:29
Jesus as Lord : 1 Cor 1:2
Holy Spirit as Lord : John 6:63 the Spirit gives life.(NIV) and the Lord is that Spirit. (2Cor 3:17)

Lexicon of Lord as "supreme in authority" if applied to the Father, why can't it be applied to the Son and Holy Spirit?

NT:2962
kurios (koo'-ree-os); from kuros (supremacy); supreme in authority, i.e. (as noun) controller; by implication, Mr. (as a respectful title):
KJV - God, Lord, master, Sir.
(New Exhaustive Strong's Numbers and Concordance with Expanded Greek-Hebrew Dictionary. , Inc. and International Bible Translators, Inc.)

There are many gods (I Corinthians 8:5) as the Bible plainly shows us. But there is just ONE Almighty God, the Father.
It is not applied to the Son and the Holy Spirit because the Son is not Almighty (I Corinthians 11:3) but is subservient to the Father, and the Holy Spirit is just God's force---Jehovah's will being carried out. Psalm 83:18 shows us who is supreme in authority (see the King James Version).

And who do you think who said "the Almighty" in that verse? Who also said is to come, was dead but was made alive? (Rev 1:8,17 and 18)

Rev 1:8
8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
KJV

Revelation 1:8 refers to the Father, Jehovah.
Revelation 1:18 refers to Jesus, and if you look at an Interlinear version it shows that "the First and the Last" is not spelled out as "Alpha and Omega," therefore, it is a different first and last than Alpha and Omega. There is no "Almighty" in this verse. (The "First" is referring to the Firstborn, not the Alpha. And it lines up with Colossians 1:18, that Christ is the "head of the body, the congregation. He is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead, that he might become the one who is first in all things.") Where is "Almighty" in this verse? And look at the Interlinear translation. There is a difference between "First and Last" and "Alpha and Omega." "First and Last" means something entirely different than "Alpha and Omega." It is an error on the part of any version that renders the two sets of words as the same. (The KJV and NIV and NASB and NAB and others got it right. They don't translate "First and Last" as "Alpha and Omega.)