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Lake of fire

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Question for everyone. The lake of fire referred to by the traditional Christian/ Catholic/ Fundi churches.

Is it literally a lake of fire? It is figurative? Other?
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Re: Lake of fire

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Capbook wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:50 am Fire that punished the ungodly are all literal ...
I've never seen a scripture that says "all literal"

Capbook wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:50 am ... the Bible and does not say it is symbolic.
Revelation does.
Was the Revelation given in signs and symbols? (Rev 1:1)
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Are they visions of Revelation to be taken literally or symbolically?
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Re: Lake of fire

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:52 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:50 am Fire that punished the ungodly are all literal ...
I've never seen a scripture that says "all literal"

Capbook wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:50 am ... the Bible and does not say it is symbolic.
Revelation does.
Was the Revelation given in signs and symbols? (Rev 1:1)
viewtopic.php?p=1102443#p1102443

Are they visions of Revelation to be taken literally or symbolically?
viewtopic.php?p=1153763#p1153763
I mean fire that punish the ungodly are literal fire. Not visions and signs in Revelation.

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Re: Lake of fire

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Capbook wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:58 am I mean fire that punish the ungodly are literal fire.

Some fire was literal but not all scriptures refer to literal fire.
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Re: Lake of fire

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:59 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:58 am I mean fire that punish the ungodly are literal fire.

Some fire was literal but not all scriptures refer to literal fire.
I confine my understanding to fire that punish the ungodly as literal, not what all fire in Scriptures.

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Re: Lake of fire

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Capbook wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 7:01 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:59 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:58 am I mean fire that punish the ungodly are literal fire.

Some fire was literal but not all scriptures refer to literal fire.
I confine my understanding to fire that punish the ungodly as literal, not what all fire in Scriptures.
The same principle applies.
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Re: Lake of fire

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 7:02 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 7:01 am
JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:59 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:58 am I mean fire that punish the ungodly are literal fire.

Some fire was literal but not all scriptures refer to literal fire.
I confine my understanding to fire that punish the ungodly as literal, not what all fire in Scriptures.
The same principle applies.
Good, at least you know my point.

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Re: Lake of fire

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Capbook wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 7:04 am Good, at least you know my point.
Yes, I understand your point and that it is wrong. You believe (correct me if I am misunderstand you) that whenever you see the word "fire" in the bible connected with the punishment of the ungodly it has to be taken literally. That is totally untenable.

The reality of the matter is that sometimes the word is to be taken literally, and sometimes it must be understood to be symbolically.
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Re: Lake of fire

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 7:07 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 7:04 am Good, at least you know my point.
Yes, I understand your point and that it is wrong. You believe (correct me if I am misunderstand you) that whenever you see the word "fire" in the bible connected with the punishment of the ungodly it has to be taken literally. That is totally untenable.

The reality of the matter is that sometimes the word is to be taken literally, and sometimes it must be understood to be symbolically.
What verse does say that it is symbolic then. You did accept that lexicon guides us to the correct definition of usage of words at that certain time.

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Re: Lake of fire

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Capbook wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 7:12 am
What verse does say that it is symbolic then.
What are you asking about? By "it" are you asking about a specific verse. Please provide a reference.




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Are there rules of hermeneutics (biblical interpretation)?
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What does it mean to "let the bible interpret itself?
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Do bible writers always apply the whole scripture?
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Is favouring one interpretation over another necessarily a bad thing ?
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How can you determine which parts of the bible are to be taken literally?
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Isn't the reading that settles on "the plain meaning off the words" by definition the most accurate?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 85#p965785

Are Jehovah's Witnesses "biblical listeralists"?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 28#p868428

How can you determine which parts of the bible are to be taken fictional?
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How does one determine what is or is not literal?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 95#p890395

How can we know which biblical interpretation is correct?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 38#p880438
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Re: Lake of fire

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JehovahsWitness wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 7:21 am
Capbook wrote: Sat Aug 17, 2024 7:12 am
What verse does say that it is symbolic then.
What are you asking about? By "it" are you asking about a specific verse. Please provide a reference.




HERMENEUTICS (bible interpretation)
What is biblical interpretation?
viewtopic.php?p=1070265#p1070265

Why is the bible written in a way that is open to interpretation?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 82#p844682

Are there rules of hermeneutics (biblical interpretation)?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 85#p953385

What does it mean to "let the bible interpret itself?
viewtopic.php?p=880438#p880438

Does every word in the bible have to apply to everyone?
viewtopic.php?p=1055876#p1055876

Do bible writers always apply the whole scripture?
viewtopic.php?p=1059551#p1059551

Is favouring one interpretation over another necessarily a bad thing ?
viewtopic.php?p=1028407#p1028407

How can you determine which parts of the bible are to be taken literally?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 95#p890395

Isn't the reading that settles on "the plain meaning off the words" by definition the most accurate?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 85#p965785

Are Jehovah's Witnesses "biblical listeralists"?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 28#p868428

How can you determine which parts of the bible are to be taken fictional?
viewtopic.php?p=1076525#p1076525

How does one determine what is or is not literal?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 95#p890395

How can we know which biblical interpretation is correct?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 38#p880438
To learn more please go to other posts related to...

THE BIBLE , BIBLE UNDERSTANDING and ... HERMENEUTICS*
* bible interpretation
I don't know what verse that fire for the ungodly that is symbolic, because I believe they are literal and lexicon defines them not that way as you interpret.

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