Question for everyone. The lake of fire referred to by the traditional Christian/ Catholic/ Fundi churches.
Is it literally a lake of fire? It is figurative? Other?
Lake of fire
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Post #1It is a first class human tragedy that people of the earth who claim to believe in the message of Jesus, whom they describe as the Prince of Peace, show little of that belief in actual practice.
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Re: Lake of fire
Post #141I've never seen a scripture that says "all literal"
Revelation does.
Was the Revelation given in signs and symbols? (Rev 1:1)
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Are they visions of Revelation to be taken literally or symbolically?
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Re: Lake of fire
Post #142I mean fire that punish the ungodly are literal fire. Not visions and signs in Revelation.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:52 amI've never seen a scripture that says "all literal"
Revelation does.
Was the Revelation given in signs and symbols? (Rev 1:1)
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Re: Lake of fire
Post #143Some fire was literal but not all scriptures refer to literal fire.
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Re: Lake of fire
Post #144I confine my understanding to fire that punish the ungodly as literal, not what all fire in Scriptures.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:59 am
Some fire was literal but not all scriptures refer to literal fire.
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Post #145The same principle applies.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 7:01 amI confine my understanding to fire that punish the ungodly as literal, not what all fire in Scriptures.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:59 am
Some fire was literal but not all scriptures refer to literal fire.
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Re: Lake of fire
Post #146Good, at least you know my point.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 7:02 amThe same principle applies.Capbook wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 7:01 amI confine my understanding to fire that punish the ungodly as literal, not what all fire in Scriptures.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 6:59 am
Some fire was literal but not all scriptures refer to literal fire.
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Post #147Yes, I understand your point and that it is wrong. You believe (correct me if I am misunderstand you) that whenever you see the word "fire" in the bible connected with the punishment of the ungodly it has to be taken literally. That is totally untenable.
The reality of the matter is that sometimes the word is to be taken literally, and sometimes it must be understood to be symbolically.
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Re: Lake of fire
Post #148What verse does say that it is symbolic then. You did accept that lexicon guides us to the correct definition of usage of words at that certain time.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 7:07 amYes, I understand your point and that it is wrong. You believe (correct me if I am misunderstand you) that whenever you see the word "fire" in the bible connected with the punishment of the ungodly it has to be taken literally. That is totally untenable.
The reality of the matter is that sometimes the word is to be taken literally, and sometimes it must be understood to be symbolically.
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Re: Lake of fire
Post #149What are you asking about? By "it" are you asking about a specific verse. Please provide a reference.
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Re: Lake of fire
Post #150I don't know what verse that fire for the ungodly that is symbolic, because I believe they are literal and lexicon defines them not that way as you interpret.JehovahsWitness wrote: ↑Sat Aug 17, 2024 7:21 amWhat are you asking about? By "it" are you asking about a specific verse. Please provide a reference.
HERMENEUTICS (bible interpretation)
What is biblical interpretation?
viewtopic.php?p=1070265#p1070265
Why is the bible written in a way that is open to interpretation?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 82#p844682
Are there rules of hermeneutics (biblical interpretation)?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 85#p953385
What does it mean to "let the bible interpret itself?
viewtopic.php?p=880438#p880438
Does every word in the bible have to apply to everyone?
viewtopic.php?p=1055876#p1055876
Do bible writers always apply the whole scripture?
viewtopic.php?p=1059551#p1059551
Is favouring one interpretation over another necessarily a bad thing ?
viewtopic.php?p=1028407#p1028407
How can you determine which parts of the bible are to be taken literally?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 95#p890395
Isn't the reading that settles on "the plain meaning off the words" by definition the most accurate?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 85#p965785
Are Jehovah's Witnesses "biblical listeralists"?
http://debatingchristianity.com/forum/v ... 28#p868428
How can you determine which parts of the bible are to be taken fictional?
viewtopic.php?p=1076525#p1076525
How does one determine what is or is not literal?
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How can we know which biblical interpretation is correct?
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