SABBATH...

[Capbook]

Is the Lord's Sabbath in the OT still for God's people in the NT?

Luk 23:56 And they returned, and prepared spices and ointments; and rested the sabbath day according to the commandment

[1213]

I have provided many scriptures to show that the Law is obsolete. Such as:

"When he said, 'A new covenant,' he has made the first obsolete. ...

That is speaking of a covenant, not about the law.

The "covenant" was the Law. You might hear it expressed like "the Law covenant."

Sorry, I disagree with that. The covenant is a deal or contract, which includes the law as a condition. The law is just a part of the covenant.

[1213]

...
Can you see how you cannot end the covenant without ending the laws of that same covenant?

The covenant was more than just the law. And God says He still keeps the covenant, even though people broke it.

Yet for all that, when they are in the land of their enemies, I will not reject them, neither will I abhor them, to destroy them utterly, and to break my covenant with them; for I am Yahweh their God; but I will for their sake remember the covenant of their ancestors, whom I brought forth out of the land of Egypt in the sight of the nations, that I might be their God. I am Yahweh.
Lev. 26:44-45

[JehovahsWitness]

...
Can you see how you cannot end the covenant without ending the laws of that same covenant?

The covenant was more than just the law.

So you agree that the covenant included the law? "more than just.." in English means it IS THE thing mentioned PLUS some other thing. So when you say "covenant was more than just the law" it means you agree the covenant WAS indeed the law (plus some other things).

Is that what you are meaning?





RELATED POSTS

What are the terms and conditions of the Mosaic law ?
viewtopic.php?p=1154643#p1154643

[JehovahsWitness]

... God says He still keeps the covenant, even though people broke it.

Nobody is suggesting otherwise so that point is irrelevant. The bible doesn' t suggest God broke his covenant, but that the covenant was temporary by design . If you sign a contract to rent a holiday home for a month, when you leave after the allotted time you are NOT breaking your contract: The contract has been fulfilled and as such is rendered obsolete.




RELATED POSTS

ARE all the laws God gives meant to apply to everyone forever?
viewtopic.php?p=1154579#p1154579

What was the purpose of the Mosaic Law?
viewtopic.php?p=1148238#p1148238

Is there enough in the bible to conclude the Mosaic Law was to be temporary? [Onewithhim]
viewtopic.php?p=1154067#p1154067

[JehovahsWitness]

The covenant is a deal or contract, which includes the law as a condition. The law is just a part of the covenant.

If the law is part of the covenant and you end the covenant you obviously also end the terms and conditions that are part of the contract.

Your lungs or your brain are "part of your body" If someone were to put an end to your body, the obviously put an end to ALL the parts that make up your body.

If the contract is to keep ALL of God's laws and you render the contract obsolete, then you have also rendered the parts (the terms) that make up the contract obsolete.

NOT ONE LETTER OR COMMA

Some contracts, of course can be ammended, but Jesus indicated that the that the Mosaic law was not subject to such changes. He stated catagorically that "not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law...." so parts of then 613 laws cannot be removed (or added). Those that suggest that they can keep ten and get rid of the 603 other laws are going against Christ explicit statement. The sacrificial laws cannot be removed , just keeping the Sabbath and other ceremonial laws since the Mosaic covenant (contract) was not subject to amendement.

The ONLY way for Gods people to be freed from keeping all the laws was for the entire contract to be removed which would only happen when the Messiah they existed for arrived and fulfilled them.




RELATED POSTS

Why are the Mosaic Laws and the Laws Covenant INSEPERABLE ?
viewtopic.php?p=1154643#p1154643

TWO COVENANTS Can the Mosaic Law and the New covenant co-exist ?
viewtopic.php?p=1149159#p1149159

Did the Apostle Paul observe the Sabbath?
viewtopic.php?p=1153393#p1153393

[1213]

...
Can you see how you cannot end the covenant without ending the laws of that same covenant?

The covenant was more than just the law.

So you agree that the covenant included the law? "more than just.." in English means it IS THE thing mentioned PLUS some other thing. So when you say "covenant was more than just the law" it means you agree the covenant WAS indeed the law (plus some other things).

Is that what you are meaning?...

I meant, the law was a part of the covenant. But it is not the whole covenant, only the conditions part of it.

...He stated catagorically that "not even one smallest letter or one tiny pen stroke shall in any way pass away from the law...." so parts of then 613 laws cannot be removed (or added).

I can agree with that.

....The sacrificial laws cannot be removed ...

No need to remove them. But, if sin has been forgiven, and person is righteous, there is no need to sacrifice, unless one wants to freely give a thanksgiving offer.

The ONLY way for Gods people to be freed from keeping all the laws was for the entire contract to be removed which would only happen when the Messiah they existed for arrived and fulfilled them....

So, now it is ok to murder people?

... God says He still keeps the covenant, even though people broke it.

Nobody is suggesting otherwise so that point is irrelevant. The bible doesn' t suggest God broke his covenant, but that the covenant was temporary by design ....

If it is temporary, why Bible tells God still keeps it?

[JehovahsWitness]

....The sacrificial laws cannot be removed ...

No need to remove them. But, if sin has been forgiven, and person is righteous, there is no need to sacrifice, unless one wants to freely give a thanksgiving offer.

There is no exception in the Mosaic law, sacrifices (at least 3 a year) were obligatory. Even a perfect sinless Israelite (Jesus) was obliged to offer them.

Since these laws could not be modified or abbregated, failing to continue THEM ALL equates to breaking them. Every natural Israelite remains under the "catch 22" of being a law breaker (and as Paul explained incurring the curse of being a lawbreaker) unless all the laws are removed.

Explain how the above is not true.


JW

[JehovahsWitness]

The ONLY way for Gods people to be freed from keeping all the laws was for the entire contract to be removed which would only happen when the Messiah they existed for arrived and fulfilled them....

So, now it is ok to murder people?

Is there a part of the old law being replaced by the new law(commandments) that you do not understand ?

If the old covenant is replaced by a new one (that also prohibits murder), then its still not okay to murder.

Does that not make sense?

• The old commandements said : You must not murder

• The new commandement says : You must love others like Christ did.

If you are under the law of Christ (but not the ten commandements) can you murder someone?


JW

[JehovahsWitness]

If it is temporary, why Bible tells God still keeps it?

God still keeps what? Did you have a scripture in mind?

[Capbook]

...
Can you see how you cannot end the covenant without ending the laws of that same covenant?

The covenant was more than just the law.

So you agree that the covenant included the law? "more than just.." in English means it IS THE thing mentioned PLUS some other thing. So when you say "covenant was more than just the law" it means you agree the covenant WAS indeed the law (plus some other things).

Is that what you are meaning?

RELATED POSTS

What are the terms and conditions of the Mosaic law ?
viewtopic.php?p=1154643#p1154643

Before giving the ten Commandments this is the agreement (covenant) given by God to the children of Israel. Whom all the people answered "All that the Lord hath spoken we will do".(Ex 19:5,8)
And the second covenant made by God to the people of Israel to put His laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: (Heb 8:10)
That is if we consider ourselves as God's people, God has put His laws in our mind and written it in our hearts for us to keep it.

Ex 19:5-8
5 Now therefore, if ye will obey my voice indeed, and keep my covenant, then ye shall be a peculiar treasure unto me above all people: for all the earth is mine:
6 And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
7 And Moses came and called for the elders of the people, and laid before their faces all these words which the Lord commanded him.
8 And all the people answered together, and said, All that the Lord hath spoken we will do. And Moses returned the words of the people unto the Lord.
KJV

Heb 8:10
10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, saith the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people:
KJV